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[ZuuL]

All in all DA2 was badly written starting from the pacing all the way to the broken and confusing character interactions, which for the most part, didn't flow well between what you asked and how they answered it. None of the main and NPC's made sense most of the time nor did they react the way they should with certain instances.

[Killdren88]

A templar, the second-in-command of the Order no less, isn't going to apologize for doing his job. As for your second comment, that's a complaint against the game/dialogue design.

 

I don't care who he is. He talks to Hawke as if the emotional stress he puts Leandra and Hawke through means nothing and still acts buddy buddy.

 

 

You honestly think you'll be given that option?

 A man can dream.

[dragonflight288]

Bethany easily takes a liking to the Circle life, and it's fair to argue that living in the Circle is a kinder fate than being chained to the taint.

I'd say one can have 'self-respect' while accepting the fact that Cullen just happened to be doing his job. You can hate Templars all you want, I dislike the Order myself, but I think most people can agree that Cullen is a guy who always worked earnestly towards the well-being of society. That is why he devoted himself to the Chantry and the Order in the first place, and why he retired from it after they lost sight of themselves, and joined the Inquisition.

Trailing back to the original topic- that's all that is important in regards to having him as an advisor. He ain't there to please you with his personality or his lustrous past, but to serve a greater good.

 

I wouldn't say she takes a liking to it. Only that she likes it a lot more than being a Warden.

 

But even in the Circle, she'll say that while she appreciates being in the company of other mages, the whole system in Kirkwall has made her actually appreciate what her father did for her and how much she actually had while outside the Circle and becomes willing to fight against it in Act 3.

[zestalyn]

 Only that she likes it a lot more than being a Warden.

Yes, that's more like it

 

I don't care who he is. He talks to Hawke as if the emotional stress he puts Leandra and Hawke through means nothing and still acts buddy buddy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesnt Bethany gets taken at the end of Act 1, and the next time you can talk to Cullen is in Act II? Which takes place what, 3 years later?

As evident by your earlier complaint about not being able to tell him off about it, I can't help but wonder if you're more frustrated by the narrative disconnect (or as ZuuL put it, poor pacing/character interaction) rather than a character's deliberate display of poor character.

[wiccame]

Bleh, its all so very annoying. I would at least have hope that Hawke would but heads with him. In my game anyway. The man took your sister! Have some self-respect!

He never took my sister, she never made it to Kirkwall 

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't know, I remember them appreciating the hell out of the food.

Personally if I was a soldier stuck all the way out there, as much as I like a good book, I'd prefer a decent meal every day.

*nods*

[In Exile]

That doesn't answer my Question. The Inquisitor calls the shots correct? So what stopping them from changing their staff?

You're not an absolute tyrant. Trying to remove a founding member of the Inquisition would kick off a political crisis. Bioware can't do choices like that justice without dedicating the whole game to them.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You're not an absolute tyrant. Trying to remove a founding member of the Inquisition would kick off a political crisis. Bioware can't do choices like that justice without dedicating the whole game to them.

Not rly...

[LOLandStuff]

Some believing just because they're the leader, they can do whatever they want, and all I can think of is this guy

 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Some believing just because they're the leader, they can do whatever they want, and all I can think of is this guy

 

You mean this weakling that couln't stand up to his people (unless it is peasant and he has at least 10 soldiers between them) and still that guy got away with a lot of crap just because he was king.

[LOLandStuff]

I mean the mentality of some people thinking they can just wave their title into others face and expect them to cater to their every whim.

[Killdren88]

You're not an absolute tyrant. Trying to remove a founding member of the Inquisition would kick off a political crisis. Bioware can't do choices like that justice without dedicating the whole game to them.

 

Since when is it Tyrannical that I just want one individual gone from the Inquisition? I am fair and even handed with everyone else. Plus, no one on Thedas is going to throw a stink if Cullen were to be removed. He is no one important.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I mean the mentality of some people thinking they can just wave their title into others face and expect them to cater to their every whim.

In what case joffrey is one of the worst examples you could pick as pretty much he was horrible and weak leader that got away with so much crap just by simple fact of being king. In fact people with titles got away with a lot just because they had title even in our modern times this works that way with that you have to be more secretive about it.

[Lady Artifice]

Ruining or mutilating someone over our own pride isn't any better. For my part, I realize we are forced to play the "Game" to an extent, but I don't want to gleefully wallow in that cesspit like every other power-grabbing sh*twit with a grotesquely overblown ego and no care for anyone else. The dangers of corruption are a frequent theme in this story, one that my Inquisitor is very much aware of, and doing this sort of thing is one of the quickest ways to fall into that trap and become no better than any other sadistic tyrant or once-noble-but-now-wholly-selfish cause. Likewise the early mission with the refugees. The mere notion of turning the Inquisition's power against people who had already lost everything made me wonder if both Leliana and Josephine are really that despicable and callous, or if the war table missions pidgeonhole the advisors to the point of breaking character at times.

 

I understand what you mean, and I have characters who went along with Cullen's refusal for similar reasons.

 

My point was more that the protagonists who do choose, say Josephine's option, are not necessarily operating on behalf of their own pettiness and pride. They might instead be treating the issue of the Inquisition's influence as a matter of survival, as crucial as sealing the breach. 

 

I don't think this game necessarily does a good job of building tension and desperation against the danger, primarily because I find the pacing flawed. But in the context of the story, the Inquisition is facing danger on all sides. If they fail, the world falls to Corypheus, period. This minstrel Maryden tells us about is actively helping that to happen.

 

So while choosing honor over pragmatism is a perfectly valid rp option, the alternative is also an understandable measure in the face of desperate need. 

[Lady Artifice]

In what case joffrey is one of the worst examples you could pick as pretty much he was horrible and weak leader that got away with so much crap just by simple fact of being king. In fact people with titles got away with a lot just because they had title even in our modern times this works that way with that you have to be more secretive about it.

 

Exactly. Some people reason that they, as the Inquisitor, should be able to do absolutely anything by virtue of their authority. 

 

But power in Thedas doesn't work exactly as it does, or did, in medieval society. You can be ousted from your position without enough support. They need your ability to seal the rifts, but they granted you your authority. 

 

Joffrey is an excellent example because he had no concept of his responsibility, the need to play a political game, and the importance of his relationship with his subjects when it comes to his own survival. 

[LOLandStuff]

Exactly. Some people reason that they, as the Inquisitor, should be able to do absolutely anything by virtue of their authority. 

 

But power in Thedas doesn't work exactly as it does, or did, in medieval society. You can be ousted from your position without enough support. They need your ability to seal the rifts, but they granted you your authority. 

 

Joffrey is an excellent example because he had no concept of his responsibility, the need to play a political game, and the importance of his relationship with his subjects when it comes to his own survival. 

 

Thank you.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Exactly. Some people reason that they, as the Inquisitor, should be able to do absolutely anything by virtue of their authority. 

 

But power in Thedas doesn't work exactly as it does, or did, in medieval society. You can be ousted from your position without enough support. They need your ability to seal the rifts, but they granted you your authority. 

 

Joffrey is an excellent example because he had no concept of his responsibility, the need to play a political game, and the importance of his relationship with his subjects when it comes to his own survival. 

But inquisitor can get away with a lot not absolutely anything because inqusitor power comes from popularity in first place and if he will harm those people people will turn on him unless he will turn his people in fanatics. 

 

It doesn't matter he/she could get rid of cassandra , leliana , cullen or josephine without any problems because people don't follow cassandra , leliana , cullen or josephine people follow inquisitor they may have started inquisition but that says very little pretty much inquisitor is only reason as why inquisiton is powerful in first place.So to get rid of them isn't any problem. 

 

And as i said and he get away with a lot by simple fact of being king while being weak and incompetent horrible example that he couldn't get away with things he done.

[LOLandStuff]

The Inquisition is powerful thanks to your advisers. They do most of the work.

 

You being the Inquisitor is more of a symbol to inspire people. You're basically the Inquisition's mascot. And the moment you start acting as if you own everyone and not giving a damn about others, nobody's stopping anyone from replacing you and using you just to close the rifts.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Inquisition is powerful thanks to your advisers. They do most of the work.

 

You being the Inquisitor is more of a symbol to inspire people. You're basically the Inquisition's mascot. And the moment you start acting as if you own everyone and not giving a damn about others, nobody's stopping anyone from replacing you and using you just to close the rifts.

Not rly if you want go that way inquisition is powerful becaouse of people that work for inquisition and influence among other factions that in fact inquisition have mostly thanks to inquisitor people came thanks to that inquisitor was inspiration for them.Those people follow inquisitor advisors only command certain cells so it is inquisitor who decides to assassinate somone not leliana leliana only carries order and ensure job will be done properly same as cullen don't decides who inquisition will fight with only inquisitor he only carries orders and ensures battles will go properly. 

[SgtSteel91]

I'm reminded of Vivienne's low approval scene where you can tell her to stop messing with your castle and she'll say "actually it belongs to the Inquisition."

[TheKomandorShepard]

I'm reminded of Vivienne's low approval scene where you can tell her to stop messing with your castle and she'll say "actually it belongs to the Inquisition."

If inquisitor wanted s/he could kick her out easily hell even remove in other way for good same as hawke could beat the crap out of tallis and take list of qunari spies rather example of extreme incompetence in order to show npc as competent.  

[LOLandStuff]

Not rly if you want go that way inquisition is powerful becaouse of people that work for inquisition and influence among other factions that in fact inquisition have mostly thanks to inquisitor people came thanks to that inquisitor was inspiration for them.Those people follow inquisitor advisors only command certain cells so it is inquisitor who decides to assassinate somone not leliana leliana only carries order and ensure job will be done properly same as cullen don't decides who inquisition will fight with only inquisitor he only carries orders and ensures battles will go properly. 

 

 

If inquisitor wanted s/he could kick her out easily hell even remove in other way for good same as hawke could beat the crap out of tallis and take list of qunari spies rather example of extreme incompetence in order to show npc as competent.  

 

That sort of thinking is what makes an Inquisitor unpopular and nothing more than a child throwing a hissy fit.

[Arlee]

Since when is it Tyrannical that I just want one individual gone from the Inquisition? I am fair and even handed with everyone else. Plus, no one on Thedas is going to throw a stink if Cullen were to be removed. He is no one important.

 

Except yes some of the troops are there because of the Inquisitor, but a lot of them have a lot of respect for Cullen and they certainly know him better than they know the Inquisitor (considering he works with them and helps them train). Just removing him because you don't like him would absolutely have consequences. Pretty much everyone you can talk to about him says they respect him even if they don't like him. That's a pretty big deal.

 

As far as his suggestions on the wartable go... of course he suggests military force, that's what he's there for. Just like Josie always wants to use diplomats and Leilanna always wants to use spies/assassins. They aren't there to tell you what the best course of action is. They are there to tell how things will go if their people are used and then you decide what you think is the best course of action. There are times where Cullen is absolutely the right choice, and other times when he isn't. The same goes for all three of them. It really just sounds like some people are letting their dislike for a character blind them.

[Panda]

I still believe Cassandra would've made a much better choice as an advisor than Cullen will ever be. She is in a higher position than him and was the hand of the 2 divines. A seeker so she'd have nearly the same POV as templars

 

Additionally, since they're going by the "practical" pov  for his advice then I'd say she's as practical and to the point as Cullen

 

I didn't like how his "accomplishment" in Kirkwall was just a footnote. It's pretty clear they added him as fan service. Which is fine, although I think most would've preferred him as a companion.

 

Probaply Cass was more into field work than working behind troops. I don't actually think she has as much experience as leading soldiers than Cullen has, because Seekers are more as elite commando unit than army. I don't think that Cass has actually lead large bodies of soldiers before unlike Cullen who has at least been second in command of large amount of templars and then first in command when Meredith died. Though someone who has been army leader would have been maybe even better than Cullen in the job, but in other hand he's more familiar with demons, chantry and mages and templars out of control than commanders of armies with soldiers.

 

I don't actually think he was added in fanservice, but certain elements like romance that was added was probaply for fans.

 

All in all DA2 was badly written starting from the pacing all the way to the broken and confusing character interactions, which for the most part, didn't flow well between what you asked and how they answered it. None of the main and NPC's made sense most of the time nor did they react the way they should with certain instances.

 

I pretty much disagree with this, I think DA2's story is way stronger and characters much more coherent and emotional than in other DA games ^^

[Korva]

I don't think this game necessarily does a good job of building tension and desperation against the danger, primarily because I find the pacing flawed. But in the context of the story, the Inquisition is facing danger on all sides. If they fail, the world falls to Corypheus, period. This minstrel Maryden tells us about is actively helping that to happen.

 

Hm, I see your point. It could have added an interesting dilemma if we were forced to choose in a situation that actually mattered, and deal with the consequences -- positive AND negative -- of either choice. Thing is, this situation is so petty and pathetic that I simply can't take it seriously. Give me an actual threat, an actual story behind it and an actual mission surrounding it, not a throwaway war table mission about some infantile schoolyard spat with someone nobody's ever heard about. And as far as Leliana is concerned, it's one of those colossal WTF-moments that make believing in her ability to become and stay "softened" again that much harder.