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[TheKomandorShepard]

I feel like you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how leadership works and what actually builds fellowship and makes people want to follow someone.

In first place people follow you because you are herald of andraste and give them hope they see you as their leader and even as religious figure.So in short they think you are saint and champion of their god second only you can save the day that is why they follow you.Not because leliana , cullen or josephine formed inquisition.As solas pointed people were little minions that blindly follow inquisitor because above.

 

 

Actually, it was officially started way before Skyhold. Remember Haven and marking all those places in the Hinterlands with "under the protection of the Inquisition"? There was a small army and diplomats and a spy network way before Skyhold. People were in the Inquisition before the Herald was even a thing. Remember the part about the Divine gathering people together for it in Haven and sending Cass to find Hawke. The Inquisition was a thing before we showed up.

 

When i have said it wasn't started before skyhold lol pretty much what i have said it was officially started after conclave and unofficially started for short peroid of time before that what i said that after haven incident inquisitor wasn't figurehead anymore.I have feeling that you didn't read my post very well because pretty much as i had said inquisition had few people recruited before it started gain true power what was after inquisitor and thanks to him.

[In Exile]

Since when is it Tyrannical that I just want one individual gone from the Inquisition? I am fair and even handed with everyone else. Plus, no one on Thedas is going to throw a stink if Cullen were to be removed. He is no one important.

 

It's not about Thedas. You're not grasping the organizational politics here. Each of Cullen, Leliana and Josphine control a massive arm of the Inquisition. They're the first point of contact that your entire infrastructure engages with in practice. Cullen is beloved by his troops, which are those people with the pointy sticks you rely on to keep others from putting your head on a pike. Your entire claim to power is through your perceived divinity, which is pretty shifting ground (since people can always "get it wrong" when it comes to religion, hence all the schisms). 

 

If you remove a much beloved commander for no apparent reason (i.e., Cullen having done nothing wrong), you'll sow a lot of dissent in the ranks. When I say you're not a tyrant, I mean that you can't just absolutely enforce your will with no regard for the politics of the situation. 

 

Who is Cullen replaced with? Will this person play ball? What's the excuse for removing him? Will you have him sit around Skyhold seething? How will you sell other stakeholders on his removal? 

 

It's not that easy to play politics. 

[congokong]

One thing I didn't like about Cullen's advisor missions was inconsistency; particularly regarding Michel de Chevin. If Celene is in power and asks for him to return he's like "This is fantastic. They can be reunited." while if Gaspard rules then he says "No. Chevin is far too useful to give up." I thought he preferred Gaspard ruling.

 

???

 

And if anything, Chevin is in more danger returning to Celene than Gaspard because:

 

1. Chevin's quarrel was with Celene; not Gaspard.

2. She only shows interest in him once he joins the Inquisition.

[Arlee]

When i have said it wasn't started before skyhold lol pretty much what i have said it was officially started after conclave and unofficially started for short peroid of time before that what i said that after haven incident inquisitor wasn't figurehead anymore.I have feeling that you didn't read my post very well because pretty much as i had said inquisition had few people recruited before it started gain true power what was after inquisitor and thanks to him.

 

 

When inquisition started inquisition had only very few people and was formed by said people but as i said people started to join under inquisitor command and because whole herald of andraste thing in fact before inquisitor took leader role even as figurehead (until skyhold) inquisition wasn't even officially started.So pretty much inquisition raised to power under herald of andraste (inquisitor) as leader.

 

Bolded the relevant part.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Bolded the relevant part.

Not rly unless you want tell me that scraps that were inquisition before it officially started and rised to great power under inquisitor banner and thanks to inquisitor matter and they don't.As i said inquisiton rised to power that is under inquisitor banner before it was only nothing more than scraps. 

[Arlee]

Not rly unless you want tell me that scraps that were inquisition before it officially started and rised to great power under inquisitor banner and thanks to inquisitor matter and they don't.As i said inquisiton rised to power that is under inquisitor banner before it was only nothing more than scraps. 

 

You said "in fact before inquisitor took leader role even as figurehead (until skyhold) inquisition wasn't even officially started" when in fact it was started before the herald or inquisitor was around. This isn't hard.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You said "in fact before inquisitor took leader role even as figurehead (until skyhold) inquisition wasn't even officially started" when in fact it was started before the herald or inquisitor was around. This isn't hard.

And what the hell i said do you even read yes inquisition was started before but not officially and those were only scraps so no inquisition wasn't started officially until conclave incident and then was builit around inquisitor.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

One thing I didn't like about Cullen's advisor missions was inconsistency; particularly regarding Michel de Chevin. If Celene is in power and asks for him to return he's like "This is fantastic. They can be reunited." while if Gaspard rules then he says "No. Chevin is far too useful to give up." I thought he preferred Gaspard ruling.

 

???

 

And if anything, Chevin is in more danger returning to Celene than Gaspard because:

 

1. Chevin's quarrel was with Celene; not Gaspard.

2. She only shows interest in him once he joins the Inquisition.

Celene doesn't want Michel back per se. She wants to quietly forgive him while pretending not to and being nowhere near him physically. Cullen's objection to Gaspard's plan doesn't apply to that.

[Bowie Hawkins]

Like...there was the bard who was complaining about someone gossiping about her. And his response was "No. This is ridiculous". Or the Dalish halla he was like, "If it's that important, we'll send soldiers with the blasted Halla." Or like, we'll send soldiers. We'll send soldiers. WE'LL SEND SOLDIERS.

 

Cullen is in command of the soldiers, not the diplomats or spies - military solutions to things are what he was specifically hired for. That's why he has those sort of opinions on those sort of missions: He can't believe you would waste his time with things better dealt with by one of the other branches of the Inquisition he's going to protest in the only way that a soldier can when a superior officer to whom he can't say "no" gives him a stupid order: He'll execute it in a stupid way.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Cullen is in command of the soldiers, not the diplomats or spies - military solutions to things are what he was specifically hired for. That's why he has those sort of opinions on those sort of missions: He can't believe you would waste his time with things better dealt with by one of the other branches of the Inquisition he's going to protest in the only way that a soldier can when a superior officer to whom he can't say "no" gives him a stupid order: He'll execute it in a stupid way.

The problem with that assessment is that he's absolutely saying "no" to that request. He's not executing it, and his advice is to do the same. Not to mention that there are many missions where the advisers acknowledge they have no resources that can help and point you towards the other two. (Or that are locked to one adviser, for that matter.) The advisers clearly don't have to try any missions they don't think they or their subordinates can succeed at, and they're free to tell you not to do things they think are stupid. (The latter is probably why their title isn't "Captain" or something similar.)

[Killdren88]

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Is it not the Inquisition best interest to accommodate the Inquisitor? Considering how they are the only ones that can stop Cory and all. I don't think the Soldiers, the stakeholders or anyone would care if I demand Cullen Resign. After all I'm saving them all from the end of the world. I highly doubt anyone would go.

 

"If you kick Cullen then to Hell with you! Let The Elder One consume us all."

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Is it not the Inquisition best interest to accommodate the Inquisitor? Considering how they are the only ones that can stop Cory and all. I don't think the Soldiers, the stakeholders or anyone would care if I demand Cullen Resign. After all I'm saving them all from the end of the world. I highly doubt anyone would go.

 

"If you kick Cullen then to Hell with you! Let The Elder One consume us all."

You'd be amazed how dense people in this setting can be.

[Fireheart]

Cullen is just a bad character in general, let's just leave it at that. The only reason he's here is because of those crazy fangirls of his. I'm ashamed to admit that I used to be one of them.

Come at me, Cullenites.

[In Exile]

Cullen is in command of the soldiers, not the diplomats or spies - military solutions to things are what he was specifically hired for. That's why he has those sort of opinions on those sort of missions: He can't believe you would waste his time with things better dealt with by one of the other branches of the Inquisition he's going to protest in the only way that a soldier can when a superior officer to whom he can't say "no" gives him a stupid order: He'll execute it in a stupid way.

 

It's more than that. His job is to offer military solutions. That's what you go to him for. Which leads to some absurdity, like:

 

Inquisitor: "Cullen, tell me what the best military solution is to this careful negotiation between two minor noble houses in northern Nevarra."

Cullen:   ... "Forcibly stick them in a room together until the grow up?"

 

You're asking a hammer the best way to bake a pie in some cases, which is bound to get strange suggestions. 

[ZuuL]

^(fireheart) Well, that's your opinion....Not sure why you decided to put that here when there is other threads on such subject.....

I found him well written in Inquisition in comparison to DA2 which was inconsistent at best and more or less none existent in DA:O.

[In Exile]

Is it not the Inquisition best interest to accommodate the Inquisitor? Considering how they are the only ones that can stop Cory and all. I don't think the Soldiers, the stakeholders or anyone would care if I demand Cullen Resign. After all I'm saving them all from the end of the world. I highly doubt anyone would go.

 

"If you kick Cullen then to Hell with you! Let The Elder One consume us all."

 

Have you ever seen politics? You'd think, for example, it would be in everyone's best interest to have, say, the United States Congress not collapse the global economy with a symbolic limit on the issuance of debt, but just look at the last four years. 

 

When you - for no apparent reason besides "I will abandon you all to die if you don't listen to me!" (while possibly twirling an overly long mustache) remove from power a founding member of the organization, who is beloved and universally regarded to be competent (regardless of your personal feelings), you've just (1) totally undercut your own competence (2) built a substantial amount of resentment (because you've totally disregarded everyone's views); (3) created an excellent reason for people who are opposed to you to rally around ("tyrant!") and (4) shown the seeds for people to start challenging your own supposed divinity. 

[Hellion Rex]

Come at me, Cullenites.

Honestly, you're hardly worth the effort, dear.

[Killdren88]

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Seriously? People are that stupid they would throw their lot in with Cory just because Cullen isn't involved?

[Xilizhra]

Cullen is just a bad character in general, let's just leave it at that. The only reason he's here is because of those crazy fangirls of his. I'm ashamed to admit that I used to be one of them.

Come at me, Cullenites.

I'm not a Cullenite. But why do you think he's bad in this game? I consider him much improved over the last two.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Seriously? People are that stupid they would throw their lot in with Cory just because Cullen isn't involved?

They won't see it that way, but effectively yes. Note, however, that the same can be said of you if you go through with your threat to not save the world unless appeased.

[In Exile]

Seriously? People are that stupid they would throw their lot in with Cory just because Cullen isn't involved?

 

They wouldn't throw in their lot with Corypheus. They would just question your ability to actually lead them against Corypheus. Some might even challenge the idea that your power to close rifts would stay with you now that you "betrayed" Andraste by removing a man of the faith for (no apparent reason). Others would say the opposite (your will is divine, you can do whateves, etc.) which in all likelihood would just lead to a schism in your forces and undermine you. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Oh some people are funny and think cullen is god emperor and world will colapse , inquisitor will be lynched and inquisition would fall because everyone in world loves cullen so much they will kill themselves after that i think you mistaken people with cullen fanboys who well would do that.

 

Cullen is just commander and no people didn't join inquisiton because they love cullen they did that becuase they "love" inquisitor in first place .

 

Fact that leliana or cassandra were founders completely doesn't matter because before offical start inqusition was nothing more but scraps and since it officially launched it was built around herald of andraste so no one cares who started inquisition only about who that was built around.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

hmmm, Cullen was a pretty interesting char in DA2, his crush on fmage in DAO was endearing. the 'character growth' made him disney-worthy and boring; lyrium addiction, shown in the most cliche way i could've imagined, didn't help much.

 

but i disagree, imho Cullen fits the role of a military adviser perfectly

[LOLandStuff]

Oh some people are funny and think Inquisitor is god emperor and world will colapse , advisors will be lynched and inquisition would fall because everyone in world loves Inquisitor so much they will kill themselves after that i think you mistaken people with delusions of grandeur who well would do that.

 

Cullen is just commander and no people didn't join inquisiton because they love cullen they did that becuase they "love" inquisitor in first place .

 

Fact that leliana or cassandra were founders completely doesn't matter because before offical start inqusition was nothing more but scraps and since it officially launched it was built around herald of andraste so no one cares who started inquisition only about who that was built around.

 

Fixed that for you.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Fixed that for you.

funnily you have failed because without inquisitor in fact world would collapse (and it does if you die) and your little fix don't have any sense all you did you have changed some words on inquisitor and advisors what compltetly don't fit or is in fact truth as i said above.