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[Panda]

Is it not the Inquisition best interest to accommodate the Inquisitor? Considering how they are the only ones that can stop Cory and all. I don't think the Soldiers, the stakeholders or anyone would care if I demand Cullen Resign. After all I'm saving them all from the end of the world. I highly doubt anyone would go.

 

"If you kick Cullen then to Hell with you! Let The Elder One consume us all."

 

Soldiers more likely trust more in Cullen than Inquisitor, since they are contantly following his lead, not yours. They are familiar with Cullen who stands with them in the battles and they trust him. They don't have similar relationship with Inquisitor, who is more distant figurehead who has strange hand-power.

 

I don't think that Inquisition in any point is organisation where one has all the power, and people just below them doesn't have any power. I think the inner circle of Cass, Cullen, Leliana and Josie, the one's who actually chose Inquisitor in the most powerful position still have enough power to stay their position even if Inquisitor is against them or wants them out since I also think they are tight group that will stand up for each other. Of cource if Bioware allowed it, Inquisitor could still plot against them or try assassinating them or scaring others to yield even if Inquisitor kicked someone out, but Bioware didn't want to give us this tyrannical role.

[LOLandStuff]

funnily you have failed because without inquisitor in fact world would collapse (and it does if you die) and your little fix don't have any sense all you did you have changed some words on inquisitor and advisors what compltetly don't fit or is in fact truth as i said above.

 

With that attitude, it won't even matter if the Inquisitor can save the world if they turn out to be a second Corypheus.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Soldiers more likely trust more in Cullen than Inquisitor, since they are contantly following his lead, not yours. They are familiar with Cullen who stands with them in the battles and they trust him. They don't have similar relationship with Inquisitor, who is more distant figurehead who has strange hand-power.

 

I don't think that Inquisition in any point is organisation where one has all the power, and people just below them doesn't have any power. I think the inner circle of Cass, Cullen, Leliana and Josie, the one's who actually chose Inquisitor in the most powerful position still have enough power to stay their position even if Inquisitor is against them or wants them out since I also think they are tight group that will stand up for each other. Of cource if Bioware allowed it, Inquisitor could still plot against them or try assassinating them or scaring others to yield even if Inquisitor kicked someone out, but Bioware didn't want to give us this tyrannical role.

LoL cullen is just commander he could be easily replaced by any person that have any an experience in that matter inquisitor is guy that pretty much holds inquisition together and in fact reason why inquisition is so powerful and have so many forces in first place.People joined inquisition because inquisitor not cullen as i said.In fact in bad endings inquisition falls apart without inquisitor.And inquisitor isn't figurehead lol by any means because in first place inquisition follows him and only thing would make him figurehead is weak will and let be ruled by advisors. 

 

 

With that attitude, it won't even matter if the Inquisitor can save the world if they turn out to be a second Corypheus.

With what attitude you are one of that people that think either you are saint or you eat childrens in front of their parents?

[Panda]

LoL cullen is just commander he could be easily replaced by any person that have any an experience in that matter inquisitor is guy that pretty much holds inquisition together and in fact reason why inquisition is so powerful and have so many forces in first place.People joined inquisition because inquisitor not cullen as i said.In fact in bad endings inquisition falls apart without inquisitor.And inquisitor isn't figurehead lol by any means because in first place inquisition follows him and only thing would make him figurehead is weak will and let be ruled by advisors. 

 

 

With what attitude you are one of that people that think either you are saint or you eat childrens in front of their parents?

 

Inquisitor still isn't in the field with soldiers, Cullen is. Inquisitor doesn't really even interact with their soldiers so they are more distant figurehead like I said, who only travel with the group they have.

 

Soldiers are used to Cullen leading them and might respond badly and have distrust towards new general if he was booted out.

 

In the end Bioware could made that possible too, but it would have required lot more resources in terms of writing new character in his place (that many players would most likely not liked either) and write the transition between two characters as well. They would have need change in character design both apprearance and story, animation, dialogue (not only new characters, but other characters with new general as well), rewriting wartable proposals and outcomes etc.. And in the end there would be question why only option to kick out Cullen, but not other of inner circle which would have resulted into more and more new characters, new dialogue with every possible advisor combo and so on..

[LOLandStuff]

With what attitude you are one of that people that think either you are saint or you eat childrens in front of their parents?

 

Beats being a spoiled brat who expects everyone to do as I say and have a tantrum if they even so remotely squint at their oh so divine word.

[Lynas]

That remembered me, the first cut scene in skyhold with Iron bull. Your soldier even don't know your face ! So if that is not strange ... for people who "follow" you because you are the herald, they don't reconize you ...

So yes if you want to kick cullen out of the inquisition, they will be mad. Cuz a lot of soldier was recruit by cullen, and they trust him.

[TEWR]

That remembered me, the first cut scene in skyhold with Iron bull. Your soldier even don't know your face ! So if that is not strange ... for people who "follow" you because you are the herald, they don't reconize you ...

So yes if you want to kick cullen out of the inquisition, they will be mad. Cuz a lot of soldier was recruit by cullen, and they trust him.

 

They had just joined up recently, as I recall. No real time to see the Inquisitor

 

Plus, most of the rank and file don't see the Inquisitor up close, if at all, as they take their orders from other people, who in turn get their orders from higher-ups. That's how these things work.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Inquisitor still isn't in the field with soldiers, Cullen is. Inquisitor doesn't really even interact with their soldiers so they are more distant figurehead like I said, who only travel with the group they have.

 

Soldiers are used to Cullen leading them and might respond badly and have distrust towards new general if he was booted out.

 

In the end Bioware could made that possible too, but it would have required lot more resources in terms of writing new character in his place (that many players would most likely not liked either) and write the transition between two characters as well. They would have need change in character design both apprearance and story, animation, dialogue (not only new characters, but other characters with new general as well), rewriting wartable proposals and outcomes etc.. And in the end there would be question why only option to kick out Cullen, but not other of inner circle which would have resulted into more and more new characters, new dialogue with every possible advisor combo and so on..

lol cullen isn't in the field with soldiers as well only exceptions are battles and in those inquisitor participates as well cullen is responsible for commanding soldiers it is chain of command inquisitor is on top of that then cullen carries his orders and then lower ranks soldiers carry that orders so cullen is not fighting with solders only responsible for planning so he has not much contact with soldiers himself.

 

If that was true whole armies would fell apart just becase commander hasn't changed as i said most people are in inquisition becase whole herald stuff and are loyal to inquisitor for that cullen is just guy that carries orders when inquisitor is for them religious figure.

 

Hardly so hard when mass effect did that but well mass effect is far better in that matter.

 

 

 

Beats being a spoiled brat who expects everyone to do as I say and have a tantrum if they even so remotely squint at their oh so divine word.

I don't think you know what you are talking about and in first place as i said such things as disobedience , disagreements and hate between subordinate and leader are very serious matter so again you have failed here.

[dragonflight288]

They had just joined up recently, as I recall. No real time to see the Inquisitor

 

Plus, most of the rank and file don't see the Inquisitor up close, if at all, as they take their orders from other people, who in turn get their orders from higher-ups. That's how these things work.

 

As Iron Bull explains it, the Inquisitor is more of a symbol and an idea to the soldiers than an actual person. 

 

And one of those soldiers says she saw the Herald standing up against Corypheus. Well, I doubt she actually was there since everyone was fleeing, but she saw the Inquisitor go to confront him and came back alive, like Giselle points out en route to Skyhold. 

 

I find this whole debate quite interesting. Cullen is the face of the Inquisition's army and its leader, he's been training them extremely well, to the point that they were able to overcome and defeat Grey Wardens in their own fortress. 

 

That alone is nothing to sneeze at, and makes it worth keeping him on. 

[zestalyn]

LoL cullen is just commander he could be easily replaced by any person that have any an experience in that matter inquisitor is guy that pretty much holds inquisition together and in fact reason why inquisition is so powerful and have so many forces in first place.People joined inquisition because inquisitor not cullen as i said.In fact in bad endings inquisition falls apart without inquisitor.And inquisitor isn't figurehead lol by any means because in first place inquisition follows him and only thing would make him figurehead is weak will and let be ruled by advisors. 

 

 

Is it not the Inquisition best interest to accommodate the Inquisitor? Considering how they are the only ones that can stop Cory and all. I don't think the Soldiers, the stakeholders or anyone would care if I demand Cullen Resign. After all I'm saving them all from the end of the world. I highly doubt anyone would go.

 

 

People joined the Inquisition for the purpose. But the soldiers prosper and succeed when they are under a strong command. Varric makes fun of Cullen for acting like a doting parent to his soldiers, which implies that he does not just interact with his troops as a lone general, but as a compassionate leader who gives close individual attention to his colleagues.

 

In the DA:I artbook, the designers said they made Cullen's outfit specifically with the intention of making him look both like a general, and someone who actively gets his hands dirty with the soldiers (I'm guessing they are referring to the metal armor lying beneath the fancy bear fur cloak). Replacing a leader with this sort of relationship with the soldiers would inevitably drop morale.

 

The game clearly designed Cullen to be a strong leader, just as they designed Josie/Leli to be an exceptional diplomat/spymaster, hence why Cassandra picked all three herself, therefore making the option of dropping any of your advisers extremely illogical and extraneous under the bigger picture.

In response to the bolded part: the Inquisition fails regardless because duh, they have no one who can close the Breach. You can have the greatest army w/ the greatest leaders in the universe, but you can't beat the Breach/Cory without the anchor. The IQ is only good for the anchor. Saying that they fail without him/her does not discredit Cullen or any of the other advisers.

[TheKomandorShepard]

People joined the Inquisition for the purpose. But the soldiers prosper and succeed when they are under a strong command. Varric makes fun of Cullen for acting like a doting parent to his soldiers, which implies that he does not just interact with his troops as a lone general, but as a compassionate leader who gives close individual attention to his colleagues.

 

In the DA:I artbook, the designers said they made Cullen's outfit specifically with the intention of making him look both like a general, and someone who actively gets his hands dirty with the soldiers (I'm guessing they are referring to the metal armor lying beneath the fancy bear fur cloak). Replacing a leader with this sort of relationship with the soldiers would inevitably drop morale.

 

The game clearly designed Cullen to be a strong leader, just as they designed Josie/Leli to be an exceptional diplomat/spymaster, hence why Cassandra picked all three herself, therefore making the option of dropping any of your advisers extremely illogical and extraneous under the bigger picture.

In response to the bolded part: the Inquisition fails regardless because duh, they have no one who can close the Breach. You can have the greatest army w/ the greatest leaders in the universe, but you can't beat the Breach/Cory without the anchor. The IQ is only good for the anchor. Saying that they fail without him/her does not discredit Cullen or any of the other advisers.

Cullen and Leliana aren't exceptional in any way copmpetent to certain extent yes but not exceptional cullen wasn't in da 2 not mention his poor experience in that matter they are people who would do much better than cullen and have more experience same for leliana.Only exceptional is Josephine but still wouldn't be irreplaceable and competent diplomat would take her job.

 

It is completly ridiculous and imposible for cullen to do such thing considering scale of the inquisition even iron bull pointed differences beetwen inquisitor and him when he can individually deal with his people in inquisitor and cullen case scale is so big it is not possible to do such thing.As inquisitor cullen just carries his order on those beneath him and then for example order goes to people like rylen and then lower. 

 

Also no inquisitor isn't only good for closing breach in first place inquisition was founded on him and rised to power thanks to him and whole herald of andraste thing hell some of bad epilogues mention that without inquisitor inquisition fell apart.

 

And i don't want to say something that cullen does bad job as i personally don't mind him and even like in dai but as i said he isn't irreplaceable and it wouldn't hurt inquisition much apart temporary morale hit even not very serious. 

[Xilizhra]

Argh, people are making this way harder than it needs to be. It just wasn't implemented because it'd be harder for Bioware to account for it.

[congokong]

Celene doesn't want Michel back per se. She wants to quietly forgive him while pretending not to and being nowhere near him physically. Cullen's objection to Gaspard's plan doesn't apply to that.

I don't follow. It simply appears both want Michel back, but Celene more discreetly and suspiciously. Cullen is alright with Celene but not Gaspard. Why?

[Killdren88]

I think people are overestimating Cullen's importance. Founding member or not. He isn't a cornerstone. He doesn't make or break the Inquisition. Any commander can do his job. He isnt Sun Tuz. His strategies aren't mind blowing. If he can't beat the Inquisitor at Chess he isn't remarkable. In fact I would say he is a sub par below average budget bin Commander.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I don't follow. It simply appears both want Michel back, but Celene more discreetly and suspiciously. Cullen is alright with Celene but not Gaspard. Why?

Gaspard wants Michel to leave the Inquisition and come work for the Imperial Court instead. Cullen objects on the grounds that Michel is doing good work for the Inquisition. Celene can't afford to have Michel in her court again (or doesn't believe she can, or at least hasn't yet said she can), and so Michel stays with the Inquisition even if he accepts her offer of friendship.

[congokong]

Gaspard wants Michel to leave the Inquisition and come work for the Imperial Court instead. Cullen objects on the grounds that Michel is doing good work for the Inquisition. Celene can't afford to have Michel in her court again (or doesn't believe she can), and so Michel stays with the Inquisition even if he accepts her offer of friendship.

Ah, I see. I thought Celene, like Gaspard, wanted Chevin back. I misinterpreted this "reconciliation."

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Ah, I see. I thought Celene, like Gaspard, wanted Chevin back. I misinterpreted this "reconciliation."

I mean, she might. If she can get away with it. Or she might want him dead. But she doesn't come right out and say either.

[LOLandStuff]

I think people are overestimating Cullen's importance. Founding member or not. He isn't a cornerstone. He doesn't make or break the Inquisition. Any commander can do his job. He isnt Sun Tuz. His strategies aren't mind blowing. If he can't beat the Inquisitor at Chess he isn't remarkable. In fact I would say he is a sub par below average budget bin Commander.

 

I'm sure he lets the Inquisitor win at chess so they wouldn't cry themselves to sleep every night. Might as well say he took pity on their sorry ass and dreads the each moment they ask for another match.

[In Exile]

Inquisitor still isn't in the field with soldiers, Cullen is. Inquisitor doesn't really even interact with their soldiers so they are more distant figurehead like I said, who only travel with the group they have.

Soldiers are used to Cullen leading them and might respond badly and have distrust towards new general if he was booted out.

In the end Bioware could made that possible too, but it would have required lot more resources in terms of writing new character in his place (that many players would most likely not liked either) and write the transition between two characters as well. They would have need change in character design both apprearance and story, animation, dialogue (not only new characters, but other characters with new general as well), rewriting wartable proposals and outcomes etc.. And in the end there would be question why only option to kick out Cullen, but not other of inner circle which would have resulted into more and more new characters, new dialogue with every possible advisor combo and so on..

As the IB shows your soldiers literally couldn't notice you if you were straight up staring them in the face. Everyone makes the point that you're more of a mythical divine figure than anything else, and the only thing holding the house of cards that is the Inquisition at the start together is that you've done unbelievable things that inspired everyone. If you were to do completely insane things like remove a well regarded figure in the Inquisition for no other reason than insane spite and start dictating that your world is law the entire organisation would collapse on itself, which is what it almost does after Haven anyway.

Again, look at IRL politics.

[In Exile]

People joined the Inquisition for the purpose. But the soldiers prosper and succeed when they are under a strong command. Varric makes fun of Cullen for acting like a doting parent to his soldiers, which implies that he does not just interact with his troops as a lone general, but as a compassionate leader who gives close individual attention to his colleagues.

In the DA:I artbook, the designers said they made Cullen's outfit specifically with the intention of making him look both like a general, and someone who actively gets his hands dirty with the soldiers (I'm guessing they are referring to the metal armor lying beneath the fancy bear fur cloak). Replacing a leader with this sort of relationship with the soldiers would inevitably drop morale.

The game clearly designed Cullen to be a strong leader, just as they designed Josie/Leli to be an exceptional diplomat/spymaster, hence why Cassandra picked all three herself, therefore making the option of dropping any of your advisers extremely illogical and extraneous under the bigger picture.

In response to the bolded part: the Inquisition fails regardless because duh, they have no one who can close the Breach. You can have the greatest army w/ the greatest leaders in the universe, but you can't beat the Breach/Cory without the anchor. The IQ is only good for the anchor. Saying that they fail without him/her does not discredit Cullen or any of the other advisers.

You don't just fail because of the breach. You fail because you don't have a spoiler warning. The Inquisition in the mage campaign avoids the bad future by undercutting Corypheus. You prevent him from summoning a demon army and, potentially, acquire the military might of every GW in southern Thedas. Instead of having Orlais fall apart you acquire their entire military might which isn't diminished by having to fight a demon invasion.

That's a huge reversal of future.

[In Exile]

I think people are overestimating Cullen's importance. Founding member or not. He isn't a cornerstone. He doesn't make or break the Inquisition. Any commander can do his job. He isnt Sun Tuz. His strategies aren't mind blowing. If he can't beat the Inquisitor at Chess he isn't remarkable. In fact I would say he is a sub par below average budget bin Commander.

That's idiotic. I'm sorry but being bad at chess does not make you bad at actual war.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I'm sure he lets the Inquisitor win at chess so they wouldn't cry themselves to sleep every night. Might as well say he took pity on their sorry ass and dreads the each moment they ask for another match.

Or maybe the Inquisitor is a PC.

[DuskWanderer]

Yeah, it looks like killdren is just making random statements without looking at any facts. If the only thing that can be said is the Inquisitor beats him at chess, that's a terrible way to choose. 

[Killdren88]

Yeah, it looks like killdren is just making random statements without looking at any facts. If the only thing that can be said is the Inquisitor beats him at chess, that's a terrible way to choose. 

 

Random statements? They are no more random than the statements from people that makes Cullen seem as if he is the Maker's gift to the World and the Inquisitor should be grateful hes there.

[BabyPuncher]

As the IB shows your soldiers literally couldn't notice you if you were straight up staring them in the face. Everyone makes the point that you're more of a mythical divine figure than anything else, and the only thing holding the house of cards that is the Inquisition at the start together is that you've done unbelievable things that inspired everyone. If you were to do completely insane things like remove a well regarded figure in the Inquisition for no other reason than insane spite and start dictating that your world is law the entire organisation would collapse on itself, which is what it almost does after Haven anyway.

 

Because the events that actually take place during the game are so sensible and smart?

 

Like successfully instilling Briala on the throne, for example. Hmm, I wonder how well crowning a legal second class citizen and, if I remember correctly, enemy of the state as supreme ruler would go over in 'real life politics.' Somehow, I don't actually think people are going to smile and nod to that.

 

Let's cut to the chase. The Inquisitor succeeds because, according to BioWare, he's the Most Awesomest Person In All Thedas and so succeeds in everything through sheer power of being So Damn Awesome.

 

It's 'unbelievable' all right, but certainly not in a good way.