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Genuinely not liking Cullen as an adviser


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Random statements? They are no more random than the statements from people that makes Cullen seem as if he is the Maker's gift to the World and the Inquisitor should be grateful hes there.

 

Hey, you're the one claiming the Inquisitor beating Cullen at chess makes him incapable as a Commander.



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Hey, you're the one claiming the Inquisitor beating Cullen at chess makes him incapable as a Commander.

 

Is it wrong to expect a supposed Military Strategist would be skilled at a game that relies on strategy?



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Is it wrong to expect a supposed Military Strategist would be skilled at a game that relies on strategy?

 

I play chess. I'm pretty good at it. I'm terrible at military strategy. 

 

Show me Cullen fail at actual military strategy and I'll consider it a failure. Until that point, you might as well Cullen's poor baking skills into question, since armies need to eat too.



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I play chess. I'm pretty good at it. I'm terrible at military strategy. 

 

Show me Cullen fail at actual military strategy and I'll consider it a failure. Until that point, you might as well Cullen's poor baking skills into question, since armies need to eat too.

 

"Oh noes! I've burned the omelette. Let me sign my resignation, for I am clearly not worthy of being in command of the Inquisition's military."


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Okay...I will relent on his military competence. I am willing to admit I speak before thinking. But it doesn't change my stance that I find his character to be horrid and would rather see gone...preferably via death.



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Because the events that actually take place during the game are so sensible and smart?

 

Like successfully instilling Briala on the throne, for example. Hmm, I wonder how well crowning a legal second class citizen and, if I remember correctly, enemy of the state as supreme ruler would go over in 'real life politics.' Somehow, I don't actually think people are going to smile and nod to that.

 

Let's cut to the chase. The Inquisitor succeeds because, according to BioWare, he's the Most Awesomest Person In All Thedas and so succeeds in everything through sheer power of being So Damn Awesome.

 

It's 'unbelievable' all right, but certainly not in a good way.

 

You don't put Briala on the throne. You blackmaill Gaspard into empowering her in the short-term, with two threats: war with the Inquisition and politically shattering revelations. The epilogue straight up says Gaspard is looking to find a way to escape that yoke. 

 

The fact that you have a hard time grasping the plot doesn't lead to an issue.

 

Not that you're wrong about Bioware protagonists generally winning everything through blind luck, circumstance and being awesome at killing. 


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Because the events that actually take place during the game are so sensible and smart?

 

Like successfully instilling Briala on the throne, for example. Hmm, I wonder how well crowning a legal second class citizen and, if I remember correctly, enemy of the state as supreme ruler would go over in 'real life politics.' Somehow, I don't actually think people are going to smile and nod to that.

 

Let's cut to the chase. The Inquisitor succeeds because, according to BioWare, he's the Most Awesomest Person In All Thedas and so succeeds in everything through sheer power of being So Damn Awesome.

 

It's 'unbelievable' all right, but certainly not in a good way.

 

You think Briala is literally crowned? 



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You think Briala is literally crowned? 

Half the time I wonder if he has actually even played....


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Or maybe the Inquisitor is a PC.

 

Precisely this. 

 

The Inquisitor being able to beat Cullen at chess doesn't prove Cullen is bad at chess, anymore than Shepard being able to outshoot Garrus makes Garrus a bad shot. There's a reason that they show us Cullen beating Dorian or Leliana at chess immediately beforehand. It's to establish that he's good.

 

The PC is just better, which is pretty typical. 


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You don't put Briala on the throne. You blackmaill Gaspard into empowering her in the short-term, with two threats: war with the Inquisition and politically shattering revelations. The epilogue straight up says Gaspard is looking to find a way to escape that yoke. 

 

The fact that you have a hard time grasping the plot doesn't lead to an issue.

 

Not that you're wrong about Bioware protagonists generally winning everything through blind luck, circumstance and being awesome at killing. 

 

Okay, you're right. I can admit when I've made a mistake.

 

Still, let's not go calling the Inquisitor's actions brilliant. No BioWare protagonist has been perfect, but they've done very significantly better in the past.



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As the IB shows your soldiers literally couldn't notice you if you were straight up staring them in the face. Everyone makes the point that you're more of a mythical divine figure than anything else, and the only thing holding the house of cards that is the Inquisition at the start together is that you've done unbelievable things that inspired everyone. If you were to do completely insane things like remove a well regarded figure in the Inquisition for no other reason than insane spite and start dictating that your world is law the entire organisation would collapse on itself, which is what it almost does after Haven anyway.

Again, look at IRL politics.

 

This is exactly the scene I thought when I wrote that, but I should have mentioned it as example ^^ There isn't many scenes where Inquisitor battles with soldiers other than very short periods, when Cullen is the one they know, the one who trains them, gives them encouragement and orders and the one who stands in the battles with them as well. I doubt there is none in Inquisitor Army who doesn't recognize it's commander. It's like Leliana and her spies and scouts, Leliana is much more in touch with them than Inquisitor, Inquisitor doesn't even know who all the scouts are, but Leliana knows them all. If Leliana left Inquisitor, lot of spies would go with her and if Cullen left many Lietenauts and some soldiers would be against it and not be ready to follow another person at least very easily.



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As the IB shows your soldiers literally couldn't notice you if you were straight up staring them in the face. Everyone makes the point that you're more of a mythical divine figure than anything else, and the only thing holding the house of cards that is the Inquisition at the start together is that you've done unbelievable things that inspired everyone. If you were to do completely insane things like remove a well regarded figure in the Inquisition for no other reason than insane spite and start dictating that your world is law the entire organisation would collapse on itself, which is what it almost does after Haven anyway.

Again, look at IRL politics.

Eee not rly your point is that word of god is much less than priest what is ridiculous.Inquisition follows inquisitor that for them is religious figure and pretty much for most reason why they joined inquisition as well reason why inquisition is in power.And no it isn't insane thing but probably think that soldiers would fell into despair because cullen left inquisition.Also i see that you think that leader can be only saint or burn kids in front of villagers.

 

Hell envy demon uses people faith in inquisitor to do crappy things and he succeeded.

 

 

This is exactly the scene I thought when I wrote that, but I should have mentioned it as example ^^ There isn't many scenes where Inquisitor battles with soldiers other than very short periods, when Cullen is the one they know, the one who trains them, gives them encouragement and orders and the one who stands in the battles with them as well. I doubt there is none in Inquisitor Army who doesn't recognize it's commander. It's like Leliana and her spies and scouts, Leliana is much more in touch with them than Inquisitor, Inquisitor doesn't even know who all the scouts are, but Leliana knows them all. If Leliana left Inquisitor, lot of spies would go with her and if Cullen left many Lietenauts and some soldiers would be against it and not be ready to follow another person at least very easily.

If they don't know leader of their organisation and person they regard as religious figure pretty much good chance they don't know person responsible for military wing of inquisition.As i said you seem to think that cullen and leliana are best buddies with their people what is ridiculous and impossible considering scope of inquisition leliana may know about spies but hardly knows them and they her besides that spymaster is leliana and for cullen even that is impossible at best they saw him few times and didn't even speak to him.In that relationship at best only respect is possible and that is nothing when we compare how they regard inqusitor. So no at best some spies that know leliana and were close would leave other wouldn't same for cullen what is very little.



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Eee not rly your point is that word of god is much less than priest what is ridiculous.Inquisition follows inquisitor that for them is religious figure and pretty much for most reason why they joined inquisition as well reason why inquisition is in power.And no it isn't insane thing but probably think that soldiers would fell into despair because cullen left inquisition.Also i see that you think that leader can be only saint or burn kids in front of villagers.

 

Hell envy demon uses people faith in inquisitor to do crappy things and he succeeded.

 

 

If they don't know leader of their organisation and person they regard as religious figure pretty much good chance they don't know person responsible for military wing of inquisition.As i said you seem to think that cullen and leliana are best buddies with their people what is ridiculous and impossible considering scope of inquisition leliana may know about spies but hardly knows them and they her besides that spymaster is leliana and for cullen even that is impossible at best they saw him few times and didn't even speak to him.In that relationship at best only respect is possible and that is nothing when we compare how they regard inqusitor.

 

There is scenes where it's shown that Cullen and Leliana are close to their subornates. I'm not saying that they are friends with Cullen and Leliana, but they know these persons. They don't even know Inquisitor that much and aren't in touch with Inquisitor either. The one commanding them isn't Inquisitor, it's Cullen and Leliana.

 

EDIT: I think it's like Inquisitor is country's president and Cullen it's army's commander and military is usually more eager to follow it's commander than president that is closer to them than distant figure head.



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There is scenes where it's shown that Cullen and Leliana are close to their subornates. I'm not saying that they are friends with Cullen and Leliana, but they know these persons. They don't even know Inquisitor that much and aren't in touch with Inquisitor either. The one commanding them isn't Inquisitor, it's Cullen and Leliana.

 

EDIT: I think it's like Inquisitor is country's president and Cullen it's army's commander and military is usually more eager to follow it's commander than president that is closer to them than distant figure head.

As i said this is completly impossible ,leliana and cullen may be close with few people she constantly deals with and keeps close to her ,as inquisitor may be close with advisors and companions but can't be close with people under his command ,same for advisers.As i said leliana may know about existance her spies and spies may know lelianas existance ,but majority of them at best just saw her and that is all.With cullen it is even worse because scope is even bigger. 

 

As i said no in first place people are loyal to inquisitor and see him as religous figure ,in fact inquisitor is pretty much what unites inquisition in first place. If that was true entire armies would fell apart because change of military leaders ,what in fact can be true but only if such leader is seen as inquisitor and is only thing that unites that army ,cullen isn't such person.



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As i said this is completly impossible ,leliana and cullen may be close with few people she constantly deals with and keeps close to her ,as inquisitor may be close with advisors and companions but can't be close with people under his command ,same for advisers.As i said leliana may know about existance her spies and spies may know lelianas existance ,but majority of them at best just saw her and that is all.With cullen it is even worse because scope is even bigger. 

 

As i said no in first place people are loyal to inquisitor and see him as religous figure ,in fact inquisitor is pretty much what unites inquisition in first place. If that was true entire armies would fell apart because change of military leaders ,what in fact can be true but only if such leader is seen as inquisitor and is only thing that unites that army ,cullen isn't such person.

 

Not at all. As shown in a scene with Iron Bull, people join the Inquisition for many reasons. Some people are doing it for faith, some want to help the world, some think it's a good way to gain power. 

 

Even if you don't meet with your subordinates daily, you know who they are. 



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Is it wrong to expect a supposed Military Strategist would be skilled at a game that relies on strategy?

 

Does that mean that Cullen is bad or simply that the Inquisitor is better? Moments before the game Cullen kicked Dorian's butt. 


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Does that mean that Cullen is bad or simply that the Inquisitor is better? Moments before the game Cullen kicked Dorian's butt.


And he beats Leliana if Dorian isn't there.

Though it kind of annoys me that the Inquisitor is automatically better. I don't really see when my Dalish would have practised the game.

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Not at all. As shown in a scene with Iron Bull, people join the Inquisition for many reasons. Some people are doing it for faith, some want to help the world, some think it's a good way to gain power. 

 

Even if you don't meet with your subordinates daily, you know who they are. 

LoL ,iron bull scene outright shows they treat inquisitor as religious figure what inquisitor can point in that conversation same thing says varric ,also solas ,and as i said if inquisitor dies in bad ending inquisiton fells apart . Yes of course save the world is reason as well but soldier outright says they belive inqisitor will do that and not only that but also form empire under inquisitor.