Cullen's approach is more appealing at times, actually. There's a mission for Sera and Leliana's suggestion kinda backfires... I want to see what Cullen's does! (I'll let you know when I get the results.)
If its the mission that she tells you about in Skyhold - use Cullen - his results were good. I actually smiled at the report.
OP any approach other than direct would be OOC for him. Direct blunt responses are more his thing.
His blunt responses were actually funny as heck opposed to Leliana's. Her responses scared me, lol.
Spies are often scary. Though sometimes Leli went a bit too far. The bard situation, for instance. "Oh, Maryden is obviously trying to use the resources of the Inquisition to get back at a schoolmate she didn't like? THAT'S COOL I'LL GET MY TONGUE-CUTTING KNIFE!" My Inquisitor was like, "...Uh, no. No. We're not cutting tongues out over petty schoolyard fights. Let's just pretend that mission isn't even there. I'm good with that."
Well Cullen's soldiers saved clan Lavellan and ended up getting them a good negotiating position vis a vis the local nobility, even though the war table briefing was yet another "I'll send soldiers and they'll stab things". So I'm inclined to think that Cullen is competent but doesn't sell himself very well. Which fits.
Cullen is about self-reliance. So he will always want to do things with Skyhold's resources, and that is usually its manpower. Leliana is all about using spies and Josephine is all about asking others to do the work for you. Cullen is about self reliance and that really only means using soldiers to stage raids, escorts, dig for minerals, etc.
To be blunt, Cullen felt like fan service to me.
He didn't convey any charisma or leadership qualities to me, and I frankly never got the hype he got from the first two games.
Mind you, Josephine wasn't much better in that regard either (to me).
It was Cass and Leliana and "two other two".
It's a matter of opinion and taste... After I found Cullen and Jose bland, about half way through the game I just stopped talking to them.
Other people went deeper into their stories and probably found them interesting.
So, can't argue if someone thought Cullen was great.
But I certainly didn't.
Cullen's approach is more appealing at times, actually. There's a mission for Sera and Leliana's suggestion kinda backfires... I want to see what Cullen's does! (I'll let you know when I get the results.)
I actually don't care much about his approch to wartable situations, I used him on a few missions where it felt right (actually used him for theat Halla situation too). I rather dislike his lack of actual input as an advisor.
"We can use the templars...maybe. They deal with mages so they might be as good as mages? I don't know. No, I'm sure. Maybe. Just don't pick the mages."
This is the level of advice he pretty much brings to the table in most situations.
I actually don't care much about his approch to wartable situations, I used him on a few missions where it felt right (actually used him for theat Halla situation too). I rather dislike his lack of actual input as an advisor.
"We can use the templars...maybe. They deal with mages so they might be as good as mages? I don't know. No, I'm sure. Maybe. Just don't pick the mages."
This is the level of advice he pretty much brings to the table in most situations.
This is exactly why I decide to side with the mages.
"They can counter mages, so maybe they can counter an enormous hole in the sky leading directly into the Fade?"
"You sure about that?"
"Yes. No? Ye-- Wait. Hmm. Just go with the Templars. They're a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything."
Strictly speaking from an RP perspective, it makes more sense to utilize people who draw upon the Fade and manipulate it for their abilities than teh Templars who make it "real" (according to Solas), I think.
I recall that conversation ending with him saying something along the lines of "I was a Templar, I know what they can do." Not some wishy washy answer.This is exactly why I decide to side with the mages.
"They can counter mages, so maybe they can counter an enormous hole in the sky leading directly into the Fade?"
"You sure about that?"
"Yes. No? Ye-- Wait. Hmm. Just go with the Templars. They're a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything."
Strictly speaking from an RP perspective, it makes more sense to utilize people who draw upon the Fade and manipulate it for their abilities than teh Templars who make it "real" (according to Solas), I think.
But like Leliana and Josephine were at least CREATIVE with their suggestions. There was always a way to outmanuever it. It was...The Game as they both say. Cullen just likes to stab things. Like, I noticed it the most when the Skyhold bard was complaining about a fellow bard gossiping about her. It was obviously important to her but Cullen was like, No. This is ridiculous. Even Leliana wanted to cut the bard's tongue out! (Forgot what Josie's option was. I liked the tongue-cutting.)
On the other hand I've found that I prefer him in some decisions. Especially when you make a stand politically. For example the Grey Warden treaties after Blackwalls mission. Josephine and Leliana want to make excuses but Cullen wants the Inquisition to make a statement by not faltering to the whims of others, and i've found that prefereable in some cases.
Yeah, I think people might be mistaking Cullen's reluctance when he suggested the templars for something that it's not. He was a templar for a long time, he knows what they can do. My read on that conversation is that he's hesitant to suggest them because he seems to feel similarly about what they've become as Cassandra does. It read to me not as wishy-washy "i guess maybe they could help I dunno" and more "I really don't want to work with these people because they've turned into slimy gits but they could probably help so I have to mention it".
I recall that conversation ending with him saying something along the lines of "I was a Templar, I know what they can do." Not some wishy washy answer.
Anyways, I think getting the guy who reinforce reality makes more sense for sealing a hole in reality than the people who make reality more like the fade.
"I know what they can do."
Yes, Cullen, you've seen them counter mages and disable their ability to cast spells. That's all well and good, but what part of that implies that they can stop the sky from tearing itself open? The Templars were founded specifically to counter mortal spellcasting, not a tsunami of demons pouring in through the sky's stab wound. How do we know that the Templars wouldn't accidentally hinder the Inquisitor's ability to seal the breach, given their abilities?
Granted, nobody knows that the mages are any better at the task, but would it not stand to reason that the people who have the ability to use and manipulate the same dimension that the demons are coming from can augment the power being used to close it off than those who merely hinder and disrupt it? Seems to me like the mages are the more sensible option, given the circumstances and what we know.
We don't actually know the principle the anchor works on so it could actually synergize better with Templar abilities than magic. And I personally would think that mages drawing power from the fade is more likely to widen the breech as they pull more energy through than help it heal. I mean there are known instances of magic weakening the veil."I know what they can do."
Yes, Cullen, you've seen them counter mages and disable their ability to cast spells. That's all well and good, but what part of that implies that they can stop the sky from tearing itself open? The Templars were founded specifically to counter mortal spellcasting, not a tsunami of demons pouring in through the sky's stab wound. How do we know that the Templars wouldn't accidentally hinder the Inquisitor's ability to seal the breach, given their abilities?
Granted, nobody knows that the mages are any better at the task, but would it not stand to reason that the people who have the ability to use and manipulate the same dimension that the demons are coming from can augment the power being used to close it off than those who merely hinder and disrupt it? Seems to me like the mages are the more sensible option, given the circumstances and what we know.
Yes, mages who routinely study and practice magic could be fine help sealing a giant magic hole in the sky. Since magic weakens the Veil, though, they could also inadvertently make things worse. At the same time, many Templars have spent their entire lives training to protect people from all magic gone awry (not just mortal spellcasting) so it stands to reason that they could suppress or disrupt the magical energy tearing reality open. They could also, of course, accidentally suppress the Inquisitor's ability to seal the thing, if the Anchor is magic, or could make things worse if their powers conflict with the Breach.
My point is that both choices can be supported by decent arguments, so allying with either group is not inherently more or less plausible. It's all about your Inquisitor's personality and beliefs.
I remember that Tevinter mission, and I did like Cullen's solution, so I sent in the undercover Templar. The resulting outcome was both amusing and gratifying.
Yup that was hilarious, the magisters attack and completely fall flat faced when they realise their powers aren't working. He's also good for for the first and last dalish missions, and Dagna's library bills, he sends some templars over and the Tevinter Templars defect to your side, lol.
His tools are the troops. What do you expect him to do? Send the horses? It's not like he advocates always sending the troops to massacre everything in sight. They often do all sorts of things like perform escorts or build infrastructure or play at guard duty. They've ever picked herbs for me a time or two. In fact, I'd say that most of the time the roles the troops play are more in line with logistics and support than they are in actual military conflict and combat missions. And simple manpower accomplishes quite a bit.
There is a particular war table mission where Cullen's suggestion is by far the best.
Yeah, I think people might be mistaking Cullen's reluctance when he suggested the templars for something that it's not. He was a templar for a long time, he knows what they can do. My read on that conversation is that he's hesitant to suggest them because he seems to feel similarly about what they've become as Cassandra does. It read to me not as wishy-washy "i guess maybe they could help I dunno" and more "I really don't want to work with these people because they've turned into slimy gits but they could probably help so I have to mention it".
Yeah, I agree with that - I don't think he likes what the Templars have become and what he's seen of them. And a number of times, his results have been pleasantly surprising. Now admittedly, this is a silly mission from the bard at the inn about some other bard (who apparently pulled her hair when they were in school together) spreading rumors, but I had to laugh when I read Cullen's "suggestion" on his card.
His response basically amounted to: "No. This is stupid." - and then I promptly sent him on the mission to deal with it. *chortles gleefully* Speaking of which, I'm going have to see the results of how that turned out later. I launched the mission last night before I went to sleep, but I have some work to deal with atm.
Yeah, I agree with that - I don't think he likes what the Templars have become and what he's seen of them. And a number of times, his results have been pleasantly surprising. Now admittedly, this is a silly mission from the bard at the inn about some other bard (who apparently pulled her hair when they were in school together) spreading rumors, but I had to laugh when I read Cullen's "suggestion" on his card.
His response basically amounted to: "No. This is stupid." - and then I promptly sent him on the mission to deal with it. *chortles gleefully* Speaking of which, I'm going have to see the results of how that turned out later. I launched the mission last night before I went to sleep, but I have some work to deal with atm.
That mission was clearly important to my bard. And the bard is really important to the Inquisition. The fact that both Lels and Josie would go out of their way to help her...and Cullen would go "No. This is ridiculous." I don't understand. He would rather pick up herbs than help the bard? I can't see his logic there (and to be honest, this was the war table mission that prompted me to create this thread.)
Like, is he against bards? Does he not like music? He hangs out at the tavern at times. Does the bard not talk to him, or is she afraid of him? Why won't he want to help her? As mentioned, he has so many resources but he thinks the bard's fights are not important. It honestly bothers me.
@revan: Well, maybe he's harboring some sort of lingering tavern-related resentment after losing so badly at Wicked Grace - haha. *points at Cullen's streaking scene*
I don't find Cullen unuseful in his role, but when he is the wrong person to send, he is hilariously wrong. It can be incredibly funny because when Cullen is the wrong person to send, he is pretty obvious about it. My favorite is "rumors are that Justinia is alive how do we quell these rumors?"
And Cullen was "lets have an escort service to show them there really was an explosion and they can see the crater" I just imagined a bunch of grizzled soldiers giving tour guide lectures "and this is a hole, it is a huge hole and no one could survive it, over to our left..."
I will say he brings some humor to the war table.
Well, when your only tool is a hammer...
funnily enough, wasn't that what Cullen was described as in-game? The man to whom has a hammer and everything looks like a nail?
funnily enough, wasn't that what Cullen was described as in-game? The man to whom has a hammer and everything looks like a nail?
Josephine describes him that way.
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