Depiction of romance... Bioware, how old do you think we are? 10? 12? DA:O was MUCH better in that regard. Compared to the Witcher series, romance and sexuality are an outright bad joke in DA:I.
OP obviously havent met The Iron Bull 
This review started out good then got laughable.
You're angry there aren't as many female romances? A side effect of there being fewer female characters than males ones. WHich of course is right, because this is 'high fantasy'....right?
Also, you seem to imply that Bioware has to use the cultures in the universes of other unrelated books you've read.
Why? Why does all high fantasy have to misogynistic etc.?
The climax of my romance is a kiss in front of a fireplace? For real?
OP obviously havent met The Iron Bull
Not a hetero male romance, doesn't count.
The extended romance for bull shows Bioware's clear bias towards bisexuals/pansexuals. Appalling 4 high fantasy!!!!!!!!!!
I.e.: he wants boobs.
Erm? Arguements against his points instead of trolling?
*looks at his bonus section*
When you have points like that..... No.
To the people saying the dark skinned people don't make sense geographically: learn your Dragon Age lore.
Humans colonised Thedas mere thousands of years ago. They did not evolve there.
There is thus no particular reason why black people and white people wouldnt live harmoniously with each other in Dragon Age. Like, at all.
People of colour were absent from previous DA games because of engine limitations, not lore. Frostbite rectified that.
Well he did just write post titled things I didn't like and then went on about the amount of darker skinned/ homosexual people in the game. I mean where did you expect this thread to go after that.
You obviously didn't read AND comprehend that particular part. Let me use an analogy:
We probably all know the Middle Earth setting only too well. In Gondor or Rohan, there were no blacks, as they lived pretty far away to the East IIRC.
Now that there were some more or less recent video games based on that setting, did they all of a sudden include non-white Gondorians or Rohanians (without any reasonable explanation)?
No, they didn't. Because it made NO ******* SENSE.
Wait, WERE there any dark skinned people in 1 or 2? I cant really think of any unless you made the MC dark toned.
Although, those two only took place in Fereldan and Kirkwall.
You obviously didn't read AND comprehend that particular part. Let me use an analogy:
We probably all know the Middle Earth setting only too well. In Gondor or Rohan, there were no blacks, as they lived pretty far away to the East IIRC.
Now that there were some more or less recent video games based on that setting, did they all of a sudden include non-white Gondorians or Rohanians (without any reasonable explanation)?
No, they didn't. Because it made NO ******* SENSE.
Thedas was always supposed to have people of colour in. The old engine couldn't handle this. The new one can.
Lore wise, there should have been people of colour there since the beginning, as humans didn't evolve in Thedas.
Wait, WERE there any dark skinned people in 1 or 2? I cant really think of any unless you made the MC dark toned.
No, specifically stated by David Gaider to be because of issues with the engine and darker skin tones.
Isabela was supposed to be darker than she was, for example.
People of colour were absent from previous DA games because of engine limitations, not lore. Frostbite rectified that.
I'm sorry. This is completely ridiculous. We are talking about the color of a texture.
To the people saying the dark skinned people doesn't make sense geographically: learn your Dragon Age lore.
Humans colonised Thedas mere thousands of years ago. They did not evolve there.
There is thus no particular reason why black people and white people shouldnt live harmoniously with each other. Like, at all.
If skin colour doesn't matter, then they have children together and thus over time (after thousands of years) there shouldn't be blacks or whites, but offspring of the two. It is weird there is so many blacks and whites in Fereldren, but less those of mixed heritage.
I would have much preferred expanded map with new Kingdoms with different cultures than this. Consistent storytelling doesn't exclude blacks, but this seems to be a point a lot of people miss.
You obviously didn't read AND comprehend that particular part. Let me use an analogy:
We probably all know the Middle Earth setting only too well. In Gondor or Rohan, there were no blacks, as they lived pretty far away to the East IIRC.
Now that there were some more or less recent video games based on that setting, did they all of a sudden include non-white Gondorians or Rohanians (without any reasonable explanation)?
No, they didn't. Because it made NO ******* SENSE.
the devs have talked about this before there where always dark skinned people in dragon age the engines in the last to games just couldn't handle them very well.
Not to mention this is a fantasy game with fricken elves, dragons and grey skinned giants why does it matter if there are darker skinned people in it?
I'm sorry. This is completely ridiculous. We are talking about the color of a texture.
It's related to the way lighting is processed.
It's related to the way lighting is processed.
Well, alright. Maybe it even was so. But then one should have accepted the shortcomings of the previous engine and explained the errata in-universe. Cause to have a coherent and consitent IP, you cannot expect consumers to read any bit of news related to the game outside of said universe and just say: Well, okay. Whatever.
Four things:
1) Thedas is not Europe. It's vaguely based on medieval Europe-- and, while I can see why some people would like more fantasy based on things otherthan medieval Europe (and I approve-- heck, we did Jade Empire after all), it is and the setting is already created. Making direct comparisons to "it was like this in European history", however, and trying to say that means it should also be like this in Thedas is not going to hold much weight. Dragon Age is not a historical simulation.
2) That said, there were black people in Europe. Depending on which era you look at, in fact, there were potentially a lot of them. Thedas also has Rivain, which is roughly analogous to medieval Spain... but I wouldn't try to stretch the comparison too hard.
3) We've said previously that we'd like to have more ethnic variation in Dragon Age. Our previous engine couldn't do very dark skin tones very well, but with that fact changed it's something we'd like to include. Rivain does exist, like I said, and while they're not the most populous country their people are not exactly barred into their cities. We're going to include them where they make sense, and thankfully there are indeed places where they make sense. It's perfectly reasonable for people to ask for more of this-- it's not about "political correctness" so much as not making the default white in every single instance just because nobody thought it could maybe be otherwise.
4) All that said, trying to squeeze every real-world ethnicity onto one continent simply isn't going to happen. There are, however, places in Dragon Age other than the continent of Thedas... should we ever go to those places, one should expect to see other sorts of people there. And there's nothing stopping the occasional traveler from far away coming into the game for plot reasons, though that's going to be exceptional simply because traffic between the continents is not exactly great. If it was, you'd expect people to be talking about "the lands beyond Thedas" a trifle more, wouldn't you? That could, however, always change.
How people look in the game is really more the Art department's province than Writing's, but we have input on the subject (and a degree of influence over the context). Ultimately this is something you're simply going to have to wait and see on, and we'll show what we mean. Beyond that, however, like I said above there's really no reason to slam anyone who asks for more representation in fantasy. It's a big place.
^David Gaider on the issue.
Well, alright. Maybe it even was so. But then one should have accepted the shortcomings of the previous engine and explained the errata in-universe. Cause to have a coherent and consitent IP, you cannot expect consumers to read any bit of news related to the game outside of said universe and just say: Well, okay. Whatever.
It is not inconsistent. It would be inconsistent if people in game said 'there are no black people here'.
We just didn't come across any, because the engine couldn't handle their presence correctly. That does not mean they did not exist.
Again, in DA:O isabela actually has darkish skin. You can only see it when the lighting is changed.
^David Gaider on the issue.
Thanks for quoting that. So at least they give a sensible out-of-universe explanation.
I also sort of feel that they're trying too hard to be LGBT friendly.. The romance options, the gay relationships we see and people we encounter. I honestly have nothing against the LGBT community, if I was gay, I would sort of find the game condescending in a way. I know lots of people and out of all the people I've met in life there are a few people I can think of that are openly gay. This game seems to have every second person be trans, gay or bisexual.
Every second person?
Name 15 lgbt characters in DA:I.
I'm gay, and I'm not finding it remotely condescending. About 5% of characters i've met over the course of the game are openly lgbt. That is about proportional.
Furthermore, the universe isn't our own. We know for a fact that homosexuality in Orlais isn't at all frowned upon in most circles, and commonly performed. They don't have the same stigmas we do which prevent people from coming out.
Credibility... I hate to be that guy to point it out, and let me say first: I have no problem whatsoever with homosexuality, race etc. in real life, but... since we are talking about frikkin Medieval High Fantasy setting, there are a few things that need mentioning:
a) I'm a hetero as the overwhelming majority of the population in any given nation and most likely also the number of DA:I players. So how come I have equally little romance options available as a male hetero guy than if I were a homosexual guy or girl??
Because characters in a story aren't written according to population statistics. It's art, not math. If the writers are interested in writing more same-sex romances, that's their perogative.
the agenda of pleasing literally everyone became so blatantly obvious when they revealed one sidekick character to be transsexual. I was literally laughing at my TV... Bioware, this is the frikkin Middle Ages and High Fantasy. Not 2014 Western civilization, okay?? I mean, I'm pretty well-read when it comes to High Fantasy novels and movies, and let me tell you: What you are doing is ridiculous.
If transgender people aren't too ridiculous to exist in real life, why are they too ridiculous for a fantasy world?
SeraEvery second person?
Name 15 lgbt characters in DA:I.
I'm gay, and I'm not finding it remotely condescending. About 5% of characters i've met over the course of the game are openly lgbt. That is about proportional.
Furthermore, the universe isn't our own. We know for a fact that homosexuality in Orlais isn't at all frowned upon in most circles, and commonly performed. They don't have the same stigmas we do which prevent people from coming out.
I also sort of feel that they're trying too hard to be LGBT friendly.. The romance options, the gay relationships we see and people we encounter. I honestly have nothing against the LGBT community, if I was gay, I would sort of find the game condescending in a way. I know lots of people and out of all the people I've met in life there are a few people I can think of that are openly gay. This game seems to have every second person be trans, gay or bisexual.
EDIT: There's nothing wrong with that, just seems that they're trying hard to be politically correct.
Yea I agree, we should go back to the good ol days when there was 1 gay person per game!
They aren't "trying hard to be politically correct" they are just being... correct. Sorry I know it must suck when another demographic even gets a little bit of representation. I'm not even a SJW, but Bioware is like the only company that doesn't pretend gay people don't exist. Witcher, Mars: War Logs, etc all make you be a heterosexual man. Since the OPTION of being gay offends you, then maybe consider those games.
Also Mass Effect 3 has the same amount of gay companions as this.
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