37 réponses à ce sujet

[Abaddon_86]

I wouldn't even say The Witcher games did a particularly good job of casual sex. The relationship with Triss is reasonably portayed, but the whole "every woman wants to have sex with Geralt and will drop her knickers at the first invitation", as typified with the sex cards, is pathetically immature. It's a teenagers fanatsy, not a believable, adult, representation of sex.

 

And the fact that it's true to the books is hardly an excuse. If somethings crap in the source material, an adaption should aim to do better...

 

I think one should look more at what they did in Witcher 2 rather than Witcher 1. And for romance, in that game I was much more immersed in the relationship with Triss than in any other Bioware game of late. Morrigan was the last character I really cared about. ME1's Liara was also a really good love interest.

 

Also, I find it odd, how to some the idea of a woman, who a guy doesn't know for too long, is open for a brief sexual encounter is completely alien. It really doesn't require that much apart from okay looks, self-confidence, a few good stories and the will to get things done. Of course, this is not sufficient for every (single) woman, but definitely for an okay number percentage-wise

And if you consider that the White Wolf not only looks very manly and more or less handsome, while having that really extraordinary/exotic thing of long white hair and glowy eyes about him, while being completely surrounded by that aura of legend, heroism and natural self-confidence and charisma, I really find it not unrealistic at all that several woman throw themselves at Geralt in the Witcher games. It is in fact more than believable. Let's be honest, most (single) ladies here would probably not think twice if THE Geralt would be interested in them, even if only for a night.

[nici2412]

I wouldn't even say The Witcher games did a particularly good job of casual sex. The relationship with Triss is reasonably portayed, but the whole "every woman wants to have sex with Geralt and will drop her knickers at the first invitation", as typified with the sex cards, is pathetically immature. It's a teenagers fanatsy, not a believable, adult, representation of sex.

 

And the fact that it's true to the books is hardly an excuse. If somethings crap in the source material, an adaption should aim to do better...

And Bioware does that? When adult women start to act like 14 years old teenage girls in the moment your character tries to romance them?

 

"

And the fact that it's true to the books is hardly an excuse. If somethings crap in the source material, an adaption should aim to do better..."

That's your subjective opinion, nothing more and certainly not a fact. Millions of fans of the games and books will disagree with you. I like how the relationships and how the sex is potrayed in the books and in Witcher 2 and prefer it any day over the dragon age twilight romances.

[Nerevar-as]

I wouldn't even say The Witcher games did a particularly good job of casual sex. The relationship with Triss is reasonably portayed, but the whole "every woman wants to have sex with Geralt and will drop her knickers at the first invitation", as typified with the sex cards, is pathetically immature. It's a teenagers fanatsy, not a believable, adult, representation of sex.

 

And the fact that it's true to the books is hardly an excuse. If somethings crap in the source material, an adaption should aim to do better...

Not even that, while Geralt has often casual sex, it´s not that exaggerated. Game Geralt felt more like Jaskier/dandelion in that regard, who´ll actually try to bed everything female that´s breathing.

[Amirit]

1) The sheer size of the maps as well as the placement of mountains, walls or other obstacles.

The good thing about those maps - it's optional. Like optional optional. You do not have to run much for the plot line.
If you are a completion-ist - I feel for you. For the rest of the gamers it's a nice flavor.
 

2)Hitboxes... the hitboxes of the terrain often don't match the textures, like... at all!

Can not agree more. Found a pathetic attempt of jumping puzzle in Hinterlands and all I can say - please, BW, stop it. You did not get the concept. It supposed to be about mastering jumping controls, not guessing "where did we place an invisible wall" or "which stone is a fake and not really there".
 

3)the neutered RPG aspect. Why on earth do they not allow us to spec our characters in regard to their attribute points like we were able to do in the past? It really boggles the mind as it simply makes no sense.

Nobody knows and was never answered. Only that "you have your gear to improve your stats". A big bummer for many.
 

4)the inventory... I mean, what the flipping ****? At least for the PC version I would have expected something like in DA:O, Baldur's Gate etc., you know? Simple drag and drop.
Instead they chose to copy the (equally bad) inventory of the Witcher 2.

Nothing to do with the Witcher. It's console style. Think of DAI as about poor console port - and half of your complains will be gone.
I am only mad about that part because this is the point where we (PC gamers) were openly lied to. MD said clear and loud "we made PC UI separately and definitely with PC gamers in mind". Yea, really. Would not mind an honest answer, like "we had no time for it" or even soft lie "it was done to make everyone equal in multilayer part", but that...
 

5) Animations... The Frostbite engine took some time to get used to but after a while it was okay, so the graphics department was covered as it was indeed fairly good, but when it comes to gestures, facial expressions and most of all, running, jumping and climbing animations, one begins to wonder whether this is really 2014 or rather 2002.

Do not think it's Frostbite fault. Somehow they manage to use the same animation from their first 3D games. Exactly same moves! Now they managed to transfer it to the new engine, and I suspect we are stuck with it for the rest of BW games.
 

7) Depiction of romance... Bioware, how old do you think we are? 10? 12? DA:O was MUCH better in that regard. Compared to the Witcher series, romance and sexuality are an outright bad joke in DA:I.

For God sake no Witcher style in DA!!! Ever!
But as many mentioned romances are different here. And some are really "romances", you know, with romantic relations. Some people find it attractive. Other can go play Witcher (for that part if not for plot) or watch porn.


 

8 ) Skyhold management... it wasn't bad, I especially enjoyed the war table. But do you remember Awakening? THAT is how it should have been done. Upgrades that mattered and had an actual impact on the outcome of the game.)

Not sure I would like that repetition of Awakening and NwN2 Keep thing. I mean, sure, it's great and meaningful. You spent so much energy for it - and it did not have any impact, but... What if I HATE running around and search for materials? Look at your own number 1 complain. Yet, I want a "good" ending.
Upgrades are for looks. Or for the future games. I can live with it.

 

9) narration after beating the game... way too short and many of the major decisions didn't affected what I was told in the slides. Compared to DA:O and Awakening, that was quite a bummer.

Sure. But now try to remember how did it end up with all those narrations. Half (if not more) were simply disregarded in the future games. Would not you rather not know that Anders died then find him alive and well in the new game?
 

Loved however what they did with the Morrigan arc

See? There is something positive too!

[Il Divo]

 

And you know what, there are plenty of people for whom a kiss in front of a fireplace is exactly what romance should be about. Sex isn't the be-all-and-end-all of love. Some people want to get down and dirty ASAP, others don't. And you know what, Bioware have provided a range of characters, each of which have their own preferences. That's not a joke. Thats realism.

 

I'd agree with this. I thought Bastila from KotOR was one of the better romances Bioware has done, and the "climax" of that story-line was simply about how dangerous a kiss and emotional attachments were to the Jedi Code. 

 

I'm not against full on nudity, but I don't see it as the only option available to the writers. 

[pengwin21]

I think one should look more at what they did in Witcher 2 rather than Witcher 1. And for romance, in that game I was much more immersed in the relationship with Triss than in any other Bioware game of late. Morrigan was the last character I really cared about. ME1's Liara was also a really good love interest.

 

Also, I find it odd, how to some the idea of a woman, who a guy doesn't know for too long, is open for a brief sexual encounter is completely alien. It really doesn't require that much apart from okay looks, self-confidence, a few good stories and the will to get things done. Of course, this is not sufficient for every (single) woman, but definitely for an okay number percentage-wise

And if you consider that the White Wolf not only looks very manly and more or less handsome, while having that really extraordinary/exotic thing of long white hair and glowy eyes about him, while being completely surrounded by that aura of legend, heroism and natural self-confidence and charisma, I really find it not unrealistic at all that several woman throw themselves at Geralt in the Witcher games. It is in fact more than believable. Let's be honest, most (single) ladies here would probably not think twice if THE Geralt would be interested in them, even if only for a night.

 

I think straight guys often tend to overestimate how much a man's "accomplishments" make him sexually attractive to women. In my opinion, Witcher 2 Geralt looks like he's about 60 and has a gruff and unappealing personality IMO (Witcher 1 and 3 Geralt are only marginally less unattractive and don't seem like a good fit for the young beautiful women he seems to find everywhere).

[Abaddon_86]

I think straight guys often tend to overestimate how much a man's "accomplishments" make him sexually attractive to women. In my opinion, Witcher 2 Geralt looks like he's about 60 and has a gruff and unappealing personality IMO (Witcher 1 and 3 Geralt are only marginally less unattractive and don't seem like a good fit for the young beautiful women he seems to find everywhere).

 

60? Oo I'm sorry, but in fantasy, alabaster white hair is usually a sign of something magic, extraordinary, exotic and thus also sexy, not so much as a sign of age unless, well, it is simply because of the person's age.

Cause judging by his face alone, I have no idea how anyone could arrive at the assumption that Witcher 1/2/3 Gerald must at least be 60. That's just an outright wrong assessment, sorry.

 

And as I said in the post you quoted, the traits described may not be enough to have every woman out there wet her panties, but clearly, more than enough would literally throw themselves at a guy possessing these features (Geralt). Especially when we talk about a (Middle Age) High Fantasy setting with usually not really privileged, educated and emancipated citizens, judging from the average.

 

 

Anyways... back to topic maybe?

I'm surprised so many (also in other threads) don't seem to have that much trouble with being served a CRPG (more or less) which is essentially almost an MMORPG in how it was designed. Do people have simply that much time at their hand or do they all focus on the main and companions quests?

[pengwin21]

It's the face mostly, not the hair. Young women generally prefer young men actually, not very grizzled older men. There were more young women/older men married couples in the Middle Ages, but that was for economic and social reasons which don't really apply to casual sex (they marry older men because they have to, not because older men are hot).

 

The MMOness might bother me if I felt forced to do all or more of it, but the power requirements are pretty low so it's not a big deal IMO.

[dupont1]

The original post violates the "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything" law and should there for be deleated.

 

I'm kidding..carry on.

[Abaddon_86]

This thread is explicitly named for stating negative things only. Positive things don't need to be rectified or improved upon. Negatives should if possible.

Also a complete review would have probably been way too long for most people to still bothering to read.

I initially said that I enjoyed the game overall and is was by far not as bad as I feared it would turn out. That should suffice, shouldn't it?

 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Are people saying that Witcher is a teenage boy fantasy and Bioware is mature? Lol, have some of you played Mass Effect?

 

ME1 - All the women squad mate want to bang Shep. (Tali has a crush but she wants it too)

ME2 - All the important women on the Normandy (Miranda, Jack, Tali, Samara, Kelly and Morinth) want to bang male Shepard or show interest. Gianni Parasani and Shiala want to bang Male Shepard too. The only exception is Kasumi but she was a DLC so she got an excuse there.

ME3 - Liara, Ashley and Tali again all want the male Shepard. Male Shepard even gets some Kaidan and none of the ME2 women dump you while femShep gets the kick with Jacob,Thane and Vega even rejects you. Aria wants MaleShep in Omega if you're renegade.

 

Now that's a real fantasy.

[Abaddon_86]

Well, I think it is reasonable to have 3 valid romance options, at least two if they are really good and pleasing (Morrigan, Leliana in DA:O for instance). I only got two in DA:I however (Cassandra&Josephine), and both, to me, where pretty horrible options.

As for how believable ME was in that regard, Shepard is not the most ugly dude around (whether alien chicks should really fly for that human grunt sort of look, well... that certainly is debatable) and let's not forget, multiple saviour of planets and the galaxy. That sure adds some worth and prestige to most women's eyes, I guess.

[Natureguy85]

Well, I think it is reasonable to have 3 valid romance options, at least two if they are really good and pleasing (Morrigan, Leliana in DA:O for instance). I only got two in DA:I however (Cassandra&Josephine), and both, to me, where pretty horrible options.

As for how believable ME was in that regard, Shepard is not the most ugly dude around (whether alien chicks should really fly for that human grunt sort of look, well... that certainly is debatable) and let's not forget, multiple saviour of planets and the galaxy. That sure adds some worth and prestige to most women's eyes, I guess.

 

I don't know... I made a pretty ugly Shepard once.