So basically "you said games don't cause violence, so I took that as you saying games cause violence"
BRILLIANT!
It's really quite simple. You don't understand the difference between aggression and violence.
Allow me to correct your statement. I'll give it you, your uh... analysis was getting somewhere, you're just missing something... ah yes, the point. How could I forget.
You claim video games cause aggression. You also claim that video games do not cause violence. You see, and I'm going to make this simple just for you, what you're saying is, in essence, the equivalent of me you(soz, I don't want to associate myself with you.) saying that "Takeaway is not healthy. Takeaway is healthy." In short: it's a contradiction.
It's really quite simple. You don't understand the link between aggression and violence.
Allow me to correct your statement. I'll give it you, your uh... analysis was getting somewhere, you're just missing something... ah yes, the point. How could I forget.
You claim video games cause aggression. You also claim that video games do not cause violence. You see, and I'm going to make this simple just for you, what you're saying is, in essence, the equivalent of me you(soz, I don't want to associate myself with you.) saying that "Takeaway is not healthy. Takeaway is healthy." In short: it's a contradiction.
It's really quite simple. You don't understand the link between aggression and violence.
Sure. Why not. Go with that. Considering the whole bases of your argument is "you think games cause violence" you've already proven this conversation won't be going anywhere anytime soon.
Allow me to correct your statement. I'll give it you, your uh... analysis was getting somewhere, you're just missing something... ah yes, the point. How could I forget.
You claim video games cause aggression. You also claim that video games do not cause violence. You see, and I'm going to make this simple just for you, what you're saying is, in essence, the equivalent of me you(soz, I don't want to associate myself with you.) saying that "Takeaway is not healthy. Takeaway is healthy." In short: it's a contradiction.
It's really quite simple. You don't understand the link between aggression and violence.
He claims a correlation not causation.
I'm so glad you missed that crucial part.
Since we're on the subject, the first DOI you linked links to an article with the title of Violent video games and aggression: Causal relationship or byproduct of family violence and intrinsic violence motivation?
I'm quoting this directly from the discussion section for study 1(that part where they analyze the results).
Thus, it does not appear that aggressive behavior is modeled after a short-term exposure to violent video games, as had been predicted by the GAM.
The key phrase is "short-term exposure". The next question of course would be to see if there was a difference with long-term exposure, are there certain age groups that may be affected more, and to see if a longitudinal study involving members of the general populace instead of just introductory psychology students (the blessing and bane of our research).
For study 2, they measured whether previous exposure to family violence and violent video games would predict the commition of violent crimes. Which it didn't, but they did find that there was an interaction between aggressive personalities exposed to violent video games did predict violent crime. Of course, the kicker is that the main cause of that would be that they had aggressive personalities.
The researchers then went on to say this little tidbit:
These results call into question whether a person’s propensity toward violent crimes can be predicted based on their direct exposure to violent-video-game play. Although such a relationship would not necessarily have been causal, these results refute that players of violent video games can be categorized as being prone to violent criminal acts.
Which is interesting since no one in this thread has been saying that there is a causal relationship. So good job finding a study that says exactly that.
For citation purposes:
Spoiler
Ferguson, C. J., Rueda, S. M., Cruz, A. M., Ferguson, D. E., Fritz, S., & Smith, S. M. (2008). Violent video games and aggression: Causal relationship or byproduct of family violence and intrinsic violence motivation?. Criminal Justice And Behavior, 35(3), 311-332. doi:10.1177/0093854807311719
However, here's the relevant information that shows that for young children there is a short-term increase in arousal, thoughts, and emotions that increase thethe likelihood of aggressive/fearful behavior in boys.
Spoiler
Browne, K. D., & Hamilton-Giachritsis, C. (2005). The influence of violent media on children and adolescents: A public-health approach. The Lancet, 365(9460), 702-710.
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