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[SwobyJ]

I'm a pretty happy gamer actually. I don't get too much into the big debates and scandals and hatefests.

 

I don't expose myself to material from Jon McIntosh (etc) that I don't want to see. I don't need that jerkishness and sex-negative attitude (I am VERY sex-positive and my views would expose certain others for the puritans they actually are).

 

I'm (almost) 25 and I have enough games right now to last me for at least several more years without buying a single new one. If the industry becomes too much for me, and the selection of new games too poor, it can be very easy to withhold my money and encourage my friends to do the same.

 

I see complaints about 'gamer culture' and I still consider it a ton more progressive and friendly than what else is out there.

 

As said earlier - how many gamers  riot and attack others? lol

 

Lots of people see the crossover between gamers and trolls/insert-something-terrible and decide to consider them one and the same. They're not. How many times do we have to make this mistake? It's been a few decades now, so lets see!

 

Gamers, like any consumer, get upset at a lot of legitimate things. And when a consumer group is upset, some go overboard. When there were complaints about the Mass Effect 3 ending, many people did this because it appeared (and tbh still kinda does) like the developers are 100% lying about content before launch (ABC ending and so on). It isn't like there's no reason.

 

I think people need to recognize the nature of the Internet. You're not dealing with a theater audience of only up to 100s. You're not dealing with a local community of 1000s. You're not dealing with a newspaper audience of 10,000s. You're dealing with possibly millions or billions of potential audience that collect in ways far beyond up-til-recently normal scales. That death threat? It was from a person far away from you that you'd never otherwise hear from, so don't brand 1000s+ of others with the same qualities as that person.

 

'Gamers are angry', like its some important issue, is disproven by just a casual look at the comments of an article on Facebook. More like 'a lot of people are angry'. And this isn't new. We've a historically angry and violent species. But guess what? We're actually getting better with every year. Bring out the darkness into the light and see how long it lasts. Don't utterly suppress it, don't censor it, don't culture blame and leave it only at that. Let us hash this stuff out in ways and media unprecedented to humanity and see what kind of society comes out of this.

 

Yes, let us have fun. Life is short (until we unlock immortality).

[SwobyJ]

I'm not sure what exactly I was getting at with my last post. I suppose it can be summed up as "Some people should try to get some perspective before branding large populations in stereotypical, absolute ways."

 

These 'some people' seem like they'd be terrible to 'have fun' with. And imo fun is a huge part of the point of at least MY life. I'm not here to suffer and die. I'm here to have fun and live.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Oppression Quest - an interactive fiction game where you play as an upper-middle class person in the San Francisco Bay Area living with oppression.

 

You are given a series of everyday social media events and have to attempt to manage your privilege, relationships, patreon account, and possible harassment.

 

"It's okay." - 9/10 IGN

"Not the worst game I've played." - 9.2/10 Gamespot

"Literally crying with joy at how this game changes the paradigm of video games! The sex with Jonathan was pretty good too!" - 10/10 Kotaku

"Couldn't romance all my twitter followers, disappointingly homophobic." - 6/10 BSN

 

I thought OK is something like 5 or 6/10. Retard IGN.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

 

I'm a pretty happy gamer actually. I don't get too much into the big debates and scandals and hatefests.

 

I don't expose myself to material from Jon McIntosh (etc) that I don't want to see. I don't need that jerkishness and sex-negative attitude (I am VERY sex-positive and my views would expose certain others for the puritans they actually are).

 

I'm (almost) 25 and I have enough games right now to last me for at least several more years without buying a single new one. If the industry becomes too much for me, and the selection of new games too poor, it can be very easy to withhold my money and encourage my friends to do the same.

 

I see complaints about 'gamer culture' and I still consider it a ton more progressive and friendly than what else is out there.

 

As said earlier - how many gamers  riot and attack others? lol

 

Lots of people see the crossover between gamers and trolls/insert-something-terrible and decide to consider them one and the same. They're not. How many times do we have to make this mistake? It's been a few decades now, so lets see!

 

Gamers, like any consumer, get upset at a lot of legitimate things. And when a consumer group is upset, some go overboard. When there were complaints about the Mass Effect 3 ending, many people did this because it appeared (and tbh still kinda does) like the developers are 100% lying about content before launch (ABC ending and so on). It isn't like there's no reason.

 

I think people need to recognize the nature of the Internet. You're not dealing with a theater audience of only up to 100s. You're not dealing with a local community of 1000s. You're not dealing with a newspaper audience of 10,000s. You're dealing with possibly millions or billions of potential audience that collect in ways far beyond up-til-recently normal scales. That death threat? It was from a person far away from you that you'd never otherwise hear from, so don't brand 1000s+ of others with the same qualities as that person.

 

'Gamers are angry', like its some important issue, is disproven by just a casual look at the comments of an article on Facebook. More like 'a lot of people are angry'. And this isn't new. We've a historically angry and violent species. But guess what? We're actually getting better with every year. Bring out the darkness into the light and see how long it lasts. Don't utterly suppress it, don't censor it, don't culture blame and leave it only at that. Let us hash this stuff out in ways and media unprecedented to humanity and see what kind of society comes out of this.

 

Yes, let us have fun. Life is short (until we unlock immortality).

 

You rustled my jimmies and I'm a super angry gamer now. Be ready, cuz your bank account will be depleted soon!

That's the wrath of a gamer!

[In Exile]

The flip side of that being some of us do have lives, and get upset when the 1-2 hours (tops) of free time we get a day to game is spent troubleshooting and dealing with customer support (often because of anti-consumer practices like DRM)

Like I got DA:I a week ago and I haven't even had a chance to play yet, and not because I haven't tried, because *game crash* *game crash* *game crash* *spend a whole night updating my drivers and game crash* I like what little time I have to enjoy myself is almost entirely spent dealing with technical difficulties, which seems to have become the standard for many companies nowadays. It gets to the point where I just say **** it and decide I'd rather watch a couple episodes of OitNB S2 after work, seeing as how that just takes a few clicks to work and never crashes on me, rather then spend it trying to get something that was broken right from the start working, which very possibly may not even end up working.

And of course my response to that should be "well I'm just glad EA has my money at least " in the eyes of many people here.

A lot of people rag on the gamers who don't have lives for bitching, but the thing is for the people who do have lives it's even more frustrating, because you're wasting what little free time you have to mess around and relax dealing with some of these issues. With gaming I think there's this kind of unsaid excuse floating around that since it falls in the entertainment category that the standards are allowed to be much lower for the products and how the consumers are treated in general. I really can't think of anything I could spend my money on entertainment wise that has lower standards then games as a whole, and of course the moment you say anything you get shot down as being "some angry gamer with no life"

I do really to frustration from troubleshooting as I tend to be very busy with work as well, but this is what PC gaming is often like in the end. There was a good run from say 2002-2012 when PC games were really stable out of the box but that was absolutely the exception to PC gaming historically.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

According to this guy, it seems that it's a crime against humanity.

 

In regards to his tweet it's a bit misleading, not entirely untrue, but misleading.

 

No, it's entirely untrue. Claiming that there is a scientific consensus that doesn't exist is to say something untrue.

[Isichar]

No, it's entirely untrue. Claiming that there is a scientific consensus that doesn't exist is to say something untrue.

Actually it kind of is. It's just he portrays that in a very colored sort of way to support an opinion that isn't really true. Either way, I don't really care whether you believe it or not. We have known that that most competitive sports and sort of things do this long before videogames.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I wonder what kind of non fun game he'll make if he had the money?

 

That's easy, "Patriarchy Quest", a parody of Zelda where the princess is a tumblrite and everyone tells them they can't be the hero.

 

So they don't be the hero, and they don't fight the system, and they go off to cry in the corner.

 

Because oppression.

[Jstatham1227]

The largest factor of angry gamers isn't that anger and such exibited in games, but the difficulties of games. At least that's what I think. 

[Riven326]

Doesn't everyone play for fun?

I feel like this industry is on a downward spiral and is trying desperately to milk every last penny out of us before it finally crashes. The amount of bullshit that we have to put up with when just trying to enjoy a game is absurd. Season passes, online passes, individual mandatory clients like Origins and Uplay, DRM, overpriced DLC, micro-transactions in full priced titles, etc. On top of that, you're lucky if the games actually function as intended on day one. Most of the time they don't, and require a patch on the very first day of release. It's asinine.

 

The industry is not being run by passionate game designers anymore. It's being run by suits and corporate people who only care about the bottom line. What they say goes, and developers have to do what they say even if they disagree. It's why so many games that come out today feel so derivative of the most popular titles that are already out and have already had ten thousand sequels and spin offs. Whatever is popular, they try to copy it and replicate the success that game or series has. Quality control is all but gone. Games are launching in unplayable states with development being finished via patching. It's disgusting.

 

And very few people in the press stand up for gamers. They're far more likely to stand up for EA or Ubisoft, you know, the big companies that pay them for ad space and send them early review copies of games... which don't affect review scores at all, we promise. So, when these companies make "mistakes" and we call them out on their bullshit, we have websites like IGN and GameSpot there to the rescue to defend them and say "oh, you're just entitled!" No, motherfucker, I paid full price for this game. I expect a working product!

 

So, there you go. Some reasons why I'm a bit upset at the current state of the industry and how it treats it's customers.

[mybudgee]

^ Agree 100%

[ApocAlypsE007]

You didn't see gamer rage until you have seen Starcraft 2 rage. THAT can get intense.

Humans are competitive, and many players of the weaker mindset an image of what a "good game" should look like, influenced by dominant community figures (Day9, Idra at the time, Artossis and Tasteless duo). Basically, they think that the game should be a long game of fighting over expansions, and when someone beats them with an "all in" strategy (aimed at ending the game in a certain time interval), or "cheese" (strategy that depends on not getting scouted and not knowing the right response) they get mad, like REALLY mad. In edition at the current metagame, the common thought is that Protoss is the "easier" race to play, and people rage at Protoss players from the get-go, as they think they are superiour being because they play Terran or Zerg.

 

Another thing is anonymity. Because they will have no consequences in real life, people tend to be much more cruel online. It can get to hilarious levels like this:

Or like this. There was a 2 page wall of BM i couldn't find

And there are the gems:

 

Why gamers are angry bunch? Probably combination of anonymity, competitiveness, age (as many of the aggressive ones are teens) and lack of patience probably caused by the nature of today's games.

[zvvie]

I still remember when buy PS2 as my first consoled much more fun than my PS3 era. I'm still not buying next gen coz today developer/studio doing same thing over and over. Most games is about shooting now and i'm really bored with shooting like fps or third shooters. 

 

Anyway about why gamers so angry i think is different for each person. I meet many gamers very nice/good people and some of them become real friend in real life too.

[TheBunz]

You think they are mad because they I know I'm more shredded?

 

[Sir DeLoria]

I get angry during many things, but not gaming.

Edit: Post nr. 5000 woo!

[SwobyJ]

You think they are mad because they I know I'm more shredded?

 

 

 

They mad.

[Eternal Phoenix]

LOL @ the old geezer in the background taking a ******.

@ApocAlypsE007

Throw in Dark Souls there and I agree with you, completely.

In Dark Souls, you get the worst kind of hate-mail for winning fair and square. I played DkS1 PvP a few weeks ago, defeated this ganker's phantom and then he got killed by an NPC enemy after I ran away to heal behind them. He then sent me hate mail saying that I suck and can't play the game and need NPC help. I told him that he should try PvP'ing without phantoms before whining like a ***** about fairness since he had player help and still lost.
 
Thankfully, I love responding to hate-mail and love winding people up further more so it's all good for me but still, Dark Souls has a community on par with the Call of Duty lot and when Dark Souls 2 released, that became apparent even more. Combine that with half of them being Japanophiles (you can tell when their character is a female wearing the weirdest/Japanese armor/weapons and they have a anime gamertag) and it really is one of the worst communities to play with.

 

In contrast, I received only one hate mail message ever from the Halo series...

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

You think they are mad because they I know I'm more shredded?

 

 

Who is the person behind you?

[slimgrin]

Yeah, totally. Why are they angry, and neck-bearded, and misogynistic, and homophobic, and racist, and sexist, and xenophobic, and white, and cis-gendered and well... whatever else the press can come up with?

[Jock Cranley]

They keep me locked up in this cage,

Can't they see it's why my brain says RAAGE?

[Isichar]

Yeah, totally. Why are they angry, and neck-bearded, and misogynistic, and homophobic, and racist, and sexist, and xenophobic, and white, and cis-gendered and well... whatever else the press can come up with?

 

Hey don't forget living in our parents basements! tch

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Actually it kind of is. It's just he portrays that in a very colored sort of way to support an opinion that isn't really true. Either way, I don't really care whether you believe it or not. We have known that that most competitive sports and sort of things do this long before videogames.

 

You do not know what the words "scientific consensus" mean. Science has nothing to do with his, or your, opinion.

[Isichar]

You do not know what the words "scientific consensus" mean. Science has nothing to do with his, or your, opinion.

 

Didn't say it did. I said he took something that is true, and attached it to support his beliefs and opinions, which are not true (or at least not scientifically backed in the way he presented it)

 

And yes, I do know what it means, I've spent a great deal of time discussing this exact same thing with religious people. Same with things like the burden of proof and what a theory means.

 

Anyways feel free to disregard what I'm saying (I'm sure you will, which I'm ok with) I'm admittedly just a no one on the forums, and hardly a reliable source or expert for anything on the topic. I did do quite a bit of research on the topic a while back because of people like... well, Mcintosh since I find it frustrating the way they take every scrap of information and twist it to suit their own ideology (It's sure easy to see something a certain way when you've already come to a conclusion before you've even seen the information)

[TheBunz]

Who is the person behind you?

 

Some old guy that works at gym.

[spirosz]

Bunsy.  Why are you sucking in your stomach?