Also spare us the anti-American platitudes about bibles, guns, mass shootings, etc. Make a separate thread to discuss your irrational fear of firearms and stereotyping of gun owners and Americans in general.
ok I surrender, please don't shoot me or my school.
What, you're not even a little curious to watch this guy bumble and stutter through a senseless rant about... something while waving his hands around like he's on acid?
You're no fun.
I'm really not even. I just glaze over it because it's meaningless. Might as well accuse people who breathe of being malicious for taking up precious oxygen from the atmosphere.
So, to check on this thing some more, I went to check a forum archive of WoW in like 2006, and guess what, the threads were pretty much exactly the same as they are now. The same complaints, same problems, same everything.
Although if you go back to like Nintendo Power magazines like 1994 or something it's pretty hopeful/optimistic, free of snark, etc.
That still leads me to believe that the online era and online interaction is changing the game somewhat, but that could just be because the earlier era was just more naieve and so on.
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Also spare us the anti-American platitudes about bibles, guns, mass shootings, etc. Make a separate thread to discuss your irrational fear of firearms and stereotyping of gun owners and Americans in general.
Well obviously not all gun owners believe that the US constitution is a holy text, but there are still enough who do to creep people out.
I want to buy a rifle and hunt Deers.
Cringe level: Over 9000
Not just any rifle, you want to buy a fully automatic assault rifle to hunt those evil deer!
Who cares that it will be peppered with bullet holes and the meat will be completely worthless.
At least you were able to mow that creature down with the raw power of a fully automatic weapon!
That's really my own complaint about the issue. There are numerous guns used for hunting, but why do people insist they need a assault rifle? If they're going to use it as a single shot weapon it kind of defeats the point of having it. They'd get more use out of a traditional hunting rifle...
What, you're not even a little curious to watch this guy bumble and stutter through a senseless rant about... something while waving his hands around like he's on acid?
You're no fun.
So...basically...he's the ancient aliens guy but worse?
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So...basically...he's the ancient aliens guy but worse?
The comparison hadn't occurred to me at first, but now that you mention it...
I feel like no one got this joke, and that makes me the sad.
Get your canadian sh*t off my Bioware.
And holy ballsnacks, how am I just now hearing about this McIntosh guy? i'm super hyped to see all the stupid crap he says.
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What, you're not even a little curious to watch this guy bumble and stutter through a senseless rant about... something while waving his hands around like he's on acid?
You're no fun.
Well obviously not all gun owners believe that the US constitution is a holy text,
Every American should believe it is a holy text however. One handed by Jesus to George Washington after he punched King George to death as the boss battle of the American Revolution. Let the Yuropeans laugh, we'll be laughing at them when a zombie outbreak occurs or the Russians decide to roll further west.
Get your canadian sh*t off my Bioware.
There's irony here.
Alot of it.
Didn't say it did. I said he took something that is true, and attached it to support his beliefs and opinions, which are not true (or at least not scientifically backed in the way he presented it)
And yes, I do know what it means, I've spent a great deal of time discussing this exact same thing with religious people. Same with things like the burden of proof and what a theory means.
Anyways feel free to disregard what I'm saying (I'm sure you will, which I'm ok with) I'm admittedly just a no one on the forums, and hardly a reliable source or expert for anything on the topic. I did do quite a bit of research on the topic a while back because of people like... well, Mcintosh since I find it frustrating the way they take every scrap of information and twist it to suit their own ideology (It's sure easy to see something a certain way when you've already come to a conclusion before you've even seen the information)
There is no scientific consensus that violent video games increase violent behaviour. As you admit that you aren't an expert, it seems dubious to repeatedly claim that you know there is scientific consensus on the subject when the bulk of recent studies have found that the only correlation between video games and violent behaviour stems from frustration, not the violent nature of the game itself.
At least one of those was linked in this very thread. I'd recommend you add to your research by reading it, and the others that have debunked what is now regarded as a myth by scientists who have researched the subject using peer-reviewed methodology.
There is no scientific consensus that violent video games increase violent behaviour. As you admit that you aren't an expert, it seems dubious to repeatedly claim that you know there is scientific consensus on the subject when the bulk of recent studies have found that the only correlation between video games and violent behaviour stems from frustration, not the violent nature of the game itself.
At least one of those was linked in this very thread. I'd recommend you add to your research by reading it, and the others that have debunked what is now regarded as a myth by most scientists who have researched the subject using peer-reviewed methodology.
Scientists NEVER claimed causation because they can't do a causal study on the matter.
Journalists and television/radio/internet personalities on the other hand...
There is no scientific consensus that violent video games increase violent behaviour. As you admit that you aren't an expert, it seems dubious to repeatedly claim that you know there is scientific consensus on the subject when the bulk of recent studies have found that the only correlation between video games and violent behaviour stems from frustration, not the violent nature of the game itself.
At least one of those was linked in this very thread. I'd recommend you add to your research by reading it, and the others that have debunked what is now regarded as a myth by most scientists who have researched the subject using peer-reviewed methodology.
wow you just keep coming in swinging and missing, it's a bit sad and funny at the same time. Never said it caused violence, in fact I actively would deny that it does altogether, so maybe you should start reading my responses before you keep making yourself look like an ass response after response? Up to you. I highly suspect I know much more on the issue then you do.
Really all I've said so far is that he took bits of true information and warped it, which is a pretty broad statement without context, how you keep taking that and saying "you said X" from that is beyond me, perhaps reading comprehension was not your strong point in school?
Just so we're clear, it raises aggression, aggression does not = violence, nor does it indicate that the person will necessarily be violent which is why I keep going out of my way to point out the issue in what he said.
*will patiently await your next response where you continue to make up things I said so you can keep arguing*
Just so we're clear, and it raises aggression, aggression does not = violence, nor does it indicate that the person will necessarily be violent which is why I keep going out of my way to point out the issue in what he said.
*will patiently await your next response where you continue to make up things I said so you can keep arguing*
The problem being that most people associate aggression with violence.
: angry or violent behavior or feelings
: hostile action against another country, government, etc.
Full Definition of AGGRESSION
There is no scientific consensus that violent video games increase violent behaviour. As you admit that you aren't an expert, it seems dubious to repeatedly claim that you know there is scientific consensus on the subject when the bulk of recent studies have found that the only correlation between video games and violent behaviour stems from frustration, not the violent nature of the game itself.
At least one of those was linked in this very thread. I'd recommend you add to your research by reading it, and the others that have debunked what is now regarded as a myth by scientists who have researched the subject using peer-reviewed methodology.
So he's arguing that video games do indeed increase aggression, but he thinks he's arguing that it doesn't.
Is anyone else entertained?
On a side note, the term aggression when used in psycholgoy generally means:
In psychology, the term aggression refers to a range of behaviors that can result in both physical and psychological harm to oneself, other or objects in the environment. The expression of aggression can occur in a number of ways, including verbally, mentally and physically.
Every American should believe it is a holy text however. One handed by Jesus to George Washington after he punched King George to death as the boss battle of the American Revolution. Let the Yuropeans laugh, we'll be laughing at them when a zombie outbreak occurs or the Russians decide to roll further west.
No-bark Noonan for president 2016?
Really all I've said so far is that he took bits of true information and warped it, which is a pretty broad statement without context, how you keep taking that and saying "you said X" from that is beyond me, perhaps reading comprehension was not your strong point in school?
Just so we're clear, it raises aggression, aggression does not = violence, nor does it indicate that the person will necessarily be violent which is why I keep going out of my way to point out the issue in what he said.
*will patiently await your next response where you continue to make up things I said so you can keep arguing*
I pointed out that what McIntosh said wasn't true, and it isn't. There is no scientific consensus that violent video games increase violent or, if you prefer, aggressive behaviour. He claimed a causal effect that research does not bear out.
I'm not interested in debating my reading skills or being insulted, so you may have the last word at your leisure.
The problem being that most people associate aggression with violence.
ag·gres·sion noun \ə-ˈgre-shən\: angry or violent behavior or feelings
: hostile action against another country, government, etc.
Full Definition of AGGRESSION
1: a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master2: the practice of making attacks or encroachments;especially : unprovoked violation by one country of the territorial integrity of another3: hostile, injurious, or destructive behavior or outlook especially when caused by frustrationOf particular note is the third definition which mentions frustration. Which as he said here:
So he's arguing that video games do indeed increase aggression, but he thinks he's arguing that it doesn't.
Is anyone else entertained?
On a side note, the term aggression when used in psycholgoy generally means:
I'll elaborate:
The aggression exhibited by people playing video games is causes by the frustration at their inability to be successful, or having to repeat frustrating tasks. Mario games are as likely to cause this as violent games like Call of Duty are. The violent nature of the game is not the cause of the behaviour. The level of frustration experienced is what has a correlation to violent, or if you prefer, aggressive behaviour.
As for the rest, again, I'm not interested in debating my comprehension of the subject, or being personally insulted, so you may also feel free to have the last word at your leisure.
feel free to have the last word at your leisure.
Turtles.
^dont listen to Dermain
He's a narcissistic.
Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black
I pointed out that what McIntosh said wasn't true, and it isn't. There is no scientific consensus that violent video games increase violent or, if you prefer, aggressive behaviour. He claimed a causal effect that research does not bear out.
I'm not interested in debating my reading skills or being insulted, so you may have the last word at your leisure.
I'll elaborate:
The aggression exhibited by people playing video games is causes by the frustration at their inability to be successful, or having to repeat frustrating tasks. Mario games are as likely to cause this as violent games like Call of Duty are. The violent nature of the game is not the cause of the behaviour. The level of frustration experienced is what has a correlation to violent, or if you prefer, aggressive behaviour.
As for the rest, again, I'm not interested in debating my comprehension of the subject, or being personally insulted, so you may also feel free to have the last word at your leisure.
I never denied that. If one were to say that video games can increase aggressive behavior then they have a point. If one says that they CAUSE the behavior then they're a moron.
I will say that if a young enough person is playing a violent video game they may see the protagonist as a "model" and as such mimic their behavior. Social learning theory says that we can learn how to do certain tasks by observing others. These others are defined as "models", as the learner would be modeling the behavior. The model can also reinforce (increase the likelihood of repeating the behavior) the learned behavior or punish (decrease) the learned behavior.
It is because of this that you can watch children reenact certain scenes from movies/favorite cartoons/television shows, and that has also been shown with research. I am unaware of any large scale experiments that directly tie video games to this, but I don't see it as being improbable.
If anything, it's supposed to be guarded against with the whole video game rating system, but the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of it falls on the consumer not the game maker. Making people understand that issue is where the problem lies.
^dont listen to Dermain
He's a narcissistic.
Correction, the term is narcissist. Narcissistic is the term used to describe the behavior.
On that note, I have many unfortunate qualities, but being a narcissist is not one of them.
Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black
I never denied that. If one were to say that video games can increase aggressive behavior then they have a point. If one says that they CAUSE the behavior then they're a moron.
I will say that if a young enough person is playing a violent video game they may see the protagonist as a "model" and as such mimic their behavior. Social learning theory says that we can learn how to do certain tasks by observing others. These others are defined as "models", as the learner would be modeling the behavior. The model can also reinforce (increase the likelihood of repeating the behavior) the learned behavior or punish (decrease) the learned behavior.
It is because of this that you can watch children reenact certain scenes from movies/favorite cartoons/television shows, and that has also been shown with research. I am unaware of any large scale experiments that directly tie video games to this, but I don't see it as being improbable.
If anything, it's supposed to be guarded against with the whole video game rating system, but the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of it falls on the consumer not the game maker. Making people understand that issue is where the problem lies.
Correction, the term is narcissist. Narcissistic is the term used to describe the behavior.
On that note, I have many unfortunate qualities, but being a narcissist is not one of them.
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Bunz picking on Dermain. This ougtta be interesting. 
I'm not even anti-gun. I just think it's sort of funny how fanatical y'all get when anyone tries to discuss it or bring it up.
It's not as funny when a tragedy happens and the first thing the gun nuts can think of is to scream "NO! DONT TAKE MY GUNS NOO!"
Bunz picking on Dermain. This ougtta be interesting.
Nah, ignoring him results in more amusement.
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