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#126
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Josephine is bisexual, Cass is the only one who is gender locked. 

 

Ah but I am not bisexual. I still romanced both for game play. But in real life I wouldn't be able to. But the connection/respect is there, even for my real living self. And that made me enjoy the characters and game so much more.



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Ah but I am not bisexual. I still romanced both for game play. But in real life I wouldn't be able to. But the connection/respect is there, even for my real living self. And that made me enjoy the characters and game so much more.

Ah gotcha. I thought you were under the impression she was male only, my mistake. 



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Personality wise Cassandra. Looks wise I would go with Leilana. She has the best face out of all the females.

 

Cassandra would look better if they got rid of the scar on her cheek and gave her longer hair. She does have a smoking body though.



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Personality wise Cassandra. Looks wise I would go with Leilana. She has the best face out of all the females.

 

Cassandra would look better if they got rid of the scar on her cheek and gave her longer hair. She does have a smoking body though.

 

Nooooo I like Cassandra because of the short hair and the scar gives her more personality!!!!


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Okay, I haven't played Inquisition yet, and although I'm trying to avoid huge spoilers, my curiosity about the romances has gotten the better of me. I take my role-playing seriously, which means I also take my romances seriously, and I kind of want to know what I'm getting myself into so that I don't make a "mistake" in an 80-hour playthrough.

 

I'm a straight male, so Cassandra and Josephine are my only viable choices. I suspect that I will choose Josephine, but there seems to be some controversy surrounding her lack of a compelling romance scene. And I have to be honest, that bothers me, especially because Cassandra doesn't really interest me. Granted, I don't really know what I'm talking about because, as I've already stated, I haven't played Inquisition yet. 

 

Based on my very limited knowledge, Cassandra seems too "religious" to me. I'm an atheist in real life, and my Warden and Hawke don't believe in the Maker as a supreme god. My Inquisitor will also share this belief. Cassandra, therefore, probably won't like me very much, and I'll likely have issues with her. I don't know anything about Josephine other than people calling her a Disney princess or something. And as shallow as it may seem, I place a lot of value on the romance scenes, even the awkward ones in Origins; I appreciate the attempt, despite the questionable result. If Josephine is lacking in this department, that is truly unfortunate. 

 

So BSN, I want to know your thoughts on these two romances. Without spoiling too many things, can you give me a basic idea about their personalities and the overall quality of their romances?

I love Cassandra.

She doesn't screw around, she isn't timid when it comes to making decisions but she is also thoughtful and reflective. 

Josephine just seems like someone they threw in as a wildcard, someone who could be romanced by literally anyone

I get that her relativism kinda fits her character/role as a diplomat

I just don't like it.



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Okay, I haven't played Inquisition yet, and although I'm trying to avoid huge spoilers, my curiosity about the romances has gotten the better of me. I take my role-playing seriously, which means I also take my romances seriously, and I kind of want to know what I'm getting myself into so that I don't make a "mistake" in an 80-hour playthrough.

 

I'm a straight male, so Cassandra and Josephine are my only viable choices. I suspect that I will choose Josephine, but there seems to be some controversy surrounding her lack of a compelling romance scene. And I have to be honest, that bothers me, especially because Cassandra doesn't really interest me. Granted, I don't really know what I'm talking about because, as I've already stated, I haven't played Inquisition yet. 

 

Based on my very limited knowledge, Cassandra seems too "religious" to me. I'm an atheist in real life, and my Warden and Hawke don't believe in the Maker as a supreme god. My Inquisitor will also share this belief. Cassandra, therefore, probably won't like me very much, and I'll likely have issues with her. I don't know anything about Josephine other than people calling her a Disney princess or something. And as shallow as it may seem, I place a lot of value on the romance scenes, even the awkward ones in Origins; I appreciate the attempt, despite the questionable result. If Josephine is lacking in this department, that is truly unfortunate. 

 

So BSN, I want to know your thoughts on these two romances. Without spoiling too many things, can you give me a basic idea about their personalities and the overall quality of their romances?

 

 

If you take the romances as seriously as I do (my wife just shakes her head), you have to be very careful romancing Cassandra, as there is a possibility that post-game your Inquisitor and her won't be together.  Josephine is definitely the safe choice.  She's all-around a lovely person, and while the physical parts of her romance are very subdued as compared to other romances, Josie is basically lovely.  That being said, while her character has a lot of depth, the romance itself does not really explore that or bring that out to a great level.

 

With Cassandra, the religious aspects are as important as you make them.  I don't know what kind of atheist you and your characters are.  

 

If you're (from this point on I'm referring to you and your characters as one entity) are the kind of atheist that is effectively an aggressive religious person without the deity, then Cassandra probably isn't for you.

 

If you're the kind of atheist that's more "I don't believe in that, but it's okay that you do." then Cassandra is not only a good choice but a great one.  Cassandra is very devout about the existence of the Maker.  She firmly believes in the Maker's existence, but (without spoiling anything) if you pursue Cassandra you'll see that not only is her faith shaken, but that she is far from a blind believer.  

 

I have a great deal of issues with organised religion (but I'm more the "but it's okay for you if it helps you" type), and my characters portray that, but I honestly couldn't see my characters pursuing anyone other than Cassandra.  And that's because although she will disagree with you on your religious positions if they go counter to hers (as we all do) she's more than that.  If your characters are upright, do good, and act honourably, Cassandra will "love" you.  Cassandra's most basic desire is to do good and help others to do good as well.  She certainly considers religion capable of doing good, but is also very aware that the organisations which purport to be accomplishing that good have failed miserably.  This disturbs her, and your relationship with her is based on how you deal with that.  So I think either way, it is a very interesting path.

 

The basic difference between Josie and Cassandra is that Josephine is pragmatic and Cassandra is idealistic.  Josie's problems are very concrete while Cass's are often more ethereal - Josie has literal crises, Cassandra has crises of faith, identity, and path.  

 

Good luck and good love!


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Playing a male first character, I didn't romance either but I did flirt long enough for each to separately have the 'talk' with me. Cassandra, despite seeming strong at first, was all over the place emotionally so certainly not someone that you would want to date in real life. Josephine is rather insipid, and a lesbian, so not really someone I would want a relationship with either. So no thanks - I turned them both down.

 

I really didn't like the options given to my inquisitor when turning them down though. Josephine's was particularly rubbish.



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I've found Cassandra to be much more open minded than she might initially seem. I just adored her.

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Nooooo I like Cassandra because of the short hair and the scar gives her more personality!!!!

 

Agreed, giving her long hair and removing the scar it wouldn't be Cassandra anymore.

If you take the romances as seriously as I do (my wife just shakes her head), you have to be very careful romancing Cassandra, as there is a possibility that post-game your Inquisitor and her won't be together.  Josephine is definitely the safe choice.  She's all-around a lovely person, and while the physical parts of her romance are very subdued as compared to other romances, Josie is basically lovely.  That being said, while her character has a lot of depth, the romance itself does not really explore that or bring that out to a great level.

 

With Cassandra, the religious aspects are as important as you make them.  I don't know what kind of atheist you and your characters are.  

 

If you're (from this point on I'm referring to you and your characters as one entity) are the kind of atheist that is effectively an aggressive religious person without the deity, then Cassandra probably isn't for you.

 

If you're the kind of atheist that's more "I don't believe in that, but it's okay that you do." then Cassandra is not only a good choice but a great one.  Cassandra is very devout about the existence of the Maker.  She firmly believes in the Maker's existence, but (without spoiling anything) if you pursue Cassandra you'll see that not only is her faith shaken, but that she is far from a blind believer.  

 

I have a great deal of issues with organised religion (but I'm more the "but it's okay for you if it helps you" type), and my characters portray that, but I honestly couldn't see my characters pursuing anyone other than Cassandra.  And that's because although she will disagree with you on your religious positions if they go counter to hers (as we all do) she's more than that.  If your characters are upright, do good, and act honourably, Cassandra will "love" you.  Cassandra's most basic desire is to do good and help others to do good as well.  She certainly considers religion capable of doing good, but is also very aware that the organisations which purport to be accomplishing that good have failed miserably.  This disturbs her, and your relationship with her is based on how you deal with that.  So I think either way, it is a very interesting path.

 

The basic difference between Josie and Cassandra is that Josephine is pragmatic and Cassandra is idealistic.  Josie's problems are very concrete while Cass's are often more ethereal - Josie has literal crises, Cassandra has crises of faith, identity, and path.  

 

Good luck and good love!

 

Yeah, if you essentially agree with Cassandras stance on the chantry and mages, she will end up becoming the next Divine in the end of the game which hints at an end to the romance. The only way you can romance Cass and have her stay (not become divine) is by freeing the mages, and choosing anti chantry dialogue (mages need freedom, the chantry failed, chantry should die, etc. Also you have to choose the "I don't want the same thing" option in the dialogue exchange where she expresses her ideals for a future chantry. Telling her "there are other ways to help the chantry" once she has been declared a candidate also helps prevent her from sitting on the sunburst throne.)


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Dorian. Better than both Cassandra and Josephine.


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If you take the romances as seriously as I do (my wife just shakes her head), you have to be very careful romancing Cassandra, as there is a possibility that post-game your Inquisitor and her won't be together.  Josephine is definitely the safe choice.  She's all-around a lovely person, and while the physical parts of her romance are very subdued as compared to other romances, Josie is basically lovely.  That being said, while her character has a lot of depth, the romance itself does not really explore that or bring that out to a great level.

 

With Cassandra, the religious aspects are as important as you make them.  I don't know what kind of atheist you and your characters are.  

 

If you're (from this point on I'm referring to you and your characters as one entity) are the kind of atheist that is effectively an aggressive religious person without the deity, then Cassandra probably isn't for you.

 

If you're the kind of atheist that's more "I don't believe in that, but it's okay that you do." then Cassandra is not only a good choice but a great one.  Cassandra is very devout about the existence of the Maker.  She firmly believes in the Maker's existence, but (without spoiling anything) if you pursue Cassandra you'll see that not only is her faith shaken, but that she is far from a blind believer.  

 

I have a great deal of issues with organised religion (but I'm more the "but it's okay for you if it helps you" type), and my characters portray that, but I honestly couldn't see my characters pursuing anyone other than Cassandra.  And that's because although she will disagree with you on your religious positions if they go counter to hers (as we all do) she's more than that.  If your characters are upright, do good, and act honourably, Cassandra will "love" you.  Cassandra's most basic desire is to do good and help others to do good as well.  She certainly considers religion capable of doing good, but is also very aware that the organisations which purport to be accomplishing that good have failed miserably.  This disturbs her, and your relationship with her is based on how you deal with that.  So I think either way, it is a very interesting path.

 

The basic difference between Josie and Cassandra is that Josephine is pragmatic and Cassandra is idealistic.  Josie's problems are very concrete while Cass's are often more ethereal - Josie has literal crises, Cassandra has crises of faith, identity, and path.  

 

Good luck and good love!

This is probably the best I've seen Cassandra's faith described. She's devout in the sense that she believes in the Maker and follows the Chant, but she's  more than aware of the human failings in the Chantry's organization, and wants to see them improved upon. Both my atheist and my believer Inquisitor get along swimmingly with Cassandra (because I RP someone who isn't a complete and total ar*ehole) and are more than capable of romancing her in the end. It isn't as if she's a zealot who forces her beliefs down your throat while trying to convert you, or spends all of her screen time rambling on about the Maker (like some people on this board would have you believe).


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Personality wise Cassandra. Looks wise I would go with Leilana. She has the best face out of all the females.

 

Cassandra would look better if they got rid of the scar on her cheek and gave her longer hair. She does have a smoking body though.

 

"I would like Cassandra better if she wasn't Cassandra"



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Something I always found a bit bothersome about Josephine was that her diplomacy thing gets to the point where it makes me feel a little frustrated. Like, get mad, girl. lol

 

The angriest I've ever heard her voice was when her sister blabs that she still plays with her doll collection. Maybe I just like the more combative characters.



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Josie, Cass is way to manish for my inq.
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Yeah, she needs to stop reading manly smut like Swords & Shields.



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They should have had her for the lesbian romance and sera for the guys. Would have worked better.
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They should have had her for the lesbian romance and sera for the guys. Would have worked better.

 

Yeah, sure it would. I can see it now:

 

WTF they gave us this idiot crazy elf I hate her. Cassandra should've been for guys and give the girls the sh***y elf!

 

If there's one constant in the universe, it's that BSN and satisfaction distance themselves in measurements of AU.
 


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Am I really the only person who doesn't much mind that she talks about this? There's a reason she mentions Galyen, and she doesn't bring him up just to talk about him. She mentions him because he died a horrible death, and Cassandra is determined to keep the Inquisitor being taken from her like Galyen was.

 

So Cassandra=Jaheira?



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Josie, Cass is way to manish for my inq.

 

What's so "manish about her? Her short hair? The fact that she isn't a damsel in distress?



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I assumed it was that despite technically being one of the Inquisitor's followers, she's a lot more authoritative than your average companion, aside from being more aggressive. She can still seem like a leader, even when she isn't. It's part of why she's one of my favorites in the series by far.



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I assumed it was that despite technically being one of the Inquisitor's followers, she's a lot more authoritative than your average companion, aside from being more aggressive. She can still seem like a leader, even when she isn't. It's part of why she's one of my favorites in the series by far.

 

I wouldn't say authoritative so much as she just doesn't hesitate to speak her mind. 



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I say authoritative because she is commanding, and a character likely to be respected and obeyed.



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Playing a male first character, I didn't romance either but I did flirt long enough for each to separately have the 'talk' with me. Cassandra, despite seeming strong at first, was all over the place emotionally so certainly not someone that you would want to date in real life. Josephine is rather insipid, and a lesbian, so not really someone I would want a relationship with either. So no thanks - I turned them both down.

 

I really didn't like the options given to my inquisitor when turning them down though. Josephine's was particularly rubbish.

 

....no?



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^ Haha, reading that post all I could picture is 

Spoiler



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Am I really the only person who doesn't much mind that she talks about this? There's a reason she mentions Galyen, and she doesn't bring him up just to talk about him. She mentions him because he died a horrible death, and Cassandra is determined to keep the Inquisitor being taken from her like Galyen was.

I didn't get the feeling that they were still together. Sure he was important to her, but it's not like her true love was murdered and taken away from her.