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[MACharlie1]

.....okay?

Then customize it so it looks closer to her? You have the option. I fail to see a problem here...

[Unpleasant Implications]

.....okay?
Then customize it so it looks closer to her? You have the option. I fail to see a problem here...

They shouldn't have to customize it at all, especially for the DEFAULT. Bioware should've taken that into consideration with the character creator.

[Dragoncloud]

The solas thread Hawke definitely evokes more of a Marianne Hawke feeling then what they gave us as a default. Granted what they gave us didn't look bad, but definitely would have preferred a proper default.

[Fireheart]

Female Hawke looked butt ugly in DAI. I initially played with a custom created Hawke, bu I could not get her to look the way she did in DA2, especially with the limited hair options. Hell, I couldn't even get my Inquisitor to look how I wanted, I spent 2 hours in cc with my inky... but yeah, female Hawke just looked awful. And male Hawke's beard has grown out of control. He looks like he's been living under a freeway begging for change for the past 10 years.

Did anyone come up with decent sliders to make custom Hawke in DAI look more like default Hawke in DA2?
The best I found was this: http://imgur.com/a/KENNB (in Solas thread, no less)


And yes, I realize this is pretty bad case of thread necromancy.

Wtf, I don't even have that hairstyle in my game. Does it only come up for Hawke? If this was in the game, I would have chosen it for my Inky... is it a mod?

[Teligth]

Loghain looked badass though. Huge improvement.

Loghain looks like Willam Dafoe for gods sake!

[Teligth]

.....okay?

Then customize it so it looks closer to her? You have the option. I fail to see a problem here...

Yup I just tweaked it since I had a created one. I hate using default faces. It's like saying "hey I love playing rpgs where I can make any choice I want, but I want to use default looks :/

[DaemionMoadrin]

The default female Hawke looks like a cuddly anime reject, not like the battle-hardened warrior she is.

 

The CC doesn't allow you to get the look right either, because of engine limitations I assume.

 

What annoys me most though... thanks to DA:I being developed mainly for consoles, we no longer get to import the savegames from DA:O and DA2. Instead we go through the Dragon Age Keep, which uses only a fraction of the data to generate a new world state, which doesn't include the looks of your Warden or Hawke. All that's uploaded to the Keep is the profile pic and the name. Nothing else.

 

A proper import of savegames would have saved us all that hassle.

[Teligth]

The default female Hawke looks like a cuddly anime reject, not like the battle-hardened warrior she is.

 

The CC doesn't allow you to get the look right either, because of engine limitations I assume.

 

What annoys me most though... thanks to DA:I being developed mainly for consoles, we no longer get to import the savegames from DA:O and DA2. Instead we go through the Dragon Age Keep, which uses only a fraction of the data to generate a new world state, which doesn't include the looks of your Warden or Hawke. All that's uploaded to the Keep is the profile pic and the name. Nothing else.

 

A proper import of savegames would have saved us all that hassle.

They did let us import from the keep. Also 1. You don't see the warden and if you did they would probably let you do a new CC. 2. I don't see the hate when we really shouldn't be using defaults in the first place. My only concern would be how to change my Elf warden, because I think the change in art style between DAO and DA2 was bunk.

[DaemionMoadrin]

They did let us import from the keep. Also 1. You don't see the warden and if you did they would probably let you do a new CC. 2. I don't see the hate when we really shouldn't be using defaults in the first place. My only concern would be how to change my Elf warden, because I think the change in art style between DAO and DA2 was bunk.

 

Huh? I think you missed my point completely.

[Teligth]

Huh? I think you missed my point completely.

They gave all of the DAI related materials or things that would effect DAI. Also what were you expecting? Did you want a face from an old engine slapped on your DAI Hawke? The best I could say in your defense, would be for Bioware to have added more hair options/tattoo options so you could rebuild "your" Hawke if you wanted it.  Hell I just tweaked Hawke till he pretty much looked like my DA2 version. ALso people have to realize that it's been 10 years since DA2. people get older and can change how they look.  Plus if anyone looks back to ME, default femshep got a new look.

[DaemionMoadrin]

You are misunderstanding my post and I don't feel inclined to correct you. But go on, I don't care.

[Teligth]

You are misunderstanding my post and I don't feel inclined to correct you. But go on, I don't care.

I really don't see the problem with with the keep.  Yes you can't use your save state from DAO and DA2 on your PC. It seems they wanted a way to catch everyone up without having to play the previous games. Which is nice, because some people never played DAO or DA2. All your choices however do go into your save state from the keep. I really am confused at your problem, unless you wanted a pc exclusives save state transfer on the side when one already exists. I mean seriously it you us the Keep it's supposed to move all your choices over and if something is wrong you can easily correct it. Also it's not just a PC thing too since there are PS3 and XB360 versions that could potentially transfer save states as well. 

 

TLDR the keep is an easy way to keep everyone up to date no matter the platform. And allowing for save state transfers from system to system or from PC is a bit redundant.

[turuzzusapatuttu]

Loghain looks like Willam Dafoe for gods sake!

You need to consider that ten years passed since the events from Origins.

[Teligth]

You need to consider that ten years passed since the events from Origins.

Thing is he looks nothing like Loghain from the past. If it wasn't for the fact he was calling himself it I wouldn't have wondered who he was.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I really don't see the problem with with the keep.  Yes you can't use your save state from DAO and DA2 on your PC. It seems they wanted a way to catch everyone up without having to play the previous games. Which is nice, because some people never played DAO or DA2. All your choices however do go into your save state from the keep. I really am confused at your problem, unless you wanted a pc exclusives save state transfer on the side when one already exists. I mean seriously it you us the Keep it's supposed to move all your choices over and if something is wrong you can easily correct it. Also it's not just a PC thing too since there are PS3 and XB360 versions that could potentially transfer save states as well. 

 

TLDR the keep is an easy way to keep everyone up to date no matter the platform. And allowing for save state transfers from system to system or from PC is a bit redundant.

 

Nope. The Keep doesn't use -all- the data from your savegames, in fact it doesn't care about them at all. It loads the profile pic and the name of your characters from the BioWare database which is synchronizing with your games. You can de-install DA:O and your Wardens will still be there.

Instead of reading the data of the character in question, you have to configure your world state manually. Which really sucks because I have a dozen Wardens and haven't played DA:O in a long time. I have no idea which Warden did what. Same for all my Hawkes. So I make things up. Yay. Why did I play the games again?

 

Many of the decisions you made aren't in the keep. Did you kill the high dragon at the Temple of Sacred Ashes? Just one of many things no longer mentioned.

Is your Hawke a two-handed warrior? Cause that's not in there either... so s/he will show up with sword and shield. Awesome, eh? Same for archer/dual wield rogue.

 

Remember the BG series? NWN? There were hundreds of global stats in each savegame, detailing how you handled quests, encounters etc. If you have been nice to a NPC, he might help you out later. Stuff like that. DA:O and DA2 had those, too. Not in the Keep either.

 

What shows up in DA:I isn't Hawke, it's a shadow. Oh, s/he's not the correct personality either... unless sarcastic somehow means serious now. Again, not in the Keep.

 

To make it clear where your misunderstanding lies: There is no savegame transfer at all. Dragon Age Keep does not upload savegames, it uses the stats from the BioWare database where your characters are listed (and if you never uploaded anything because you played without internet connection, then you're fucked). From that it only takes the portrait and the name of the character. Nothing else. Your choices in the games don't matter, because you have to make them manually in the Keep.

 

Do you see why it would make a huge difference if we could import savegames into DA:I? Aside from saving us the work of creating world states and manually editing Hawke's appearance?

 

Yes, for new players who never played the previous two games the DA Keep is optimal. But... things like that aren't new. There's optional DLC for ME3 that allows you to create the story of ME1+2 so ME3 starts with the proper world state. DA:I made that mandatory.

 

Oh, and your 10 years older thing? Hawke looks like she's 21 in DA:I.

[Teligth]

Nope. The Keep doesn't use -all- the data from your savegames, in fact it doesn't care about them at all. It loads the profile pic and the name of your characters from the BioWare database which is synchronizing with your games. You can de-install DA:O and your Wardens will still be there.

Instead of reading the data of the character in question, you have to configure your world state manually. Which really sucks because I have a dozen Wardens and haven't played DA:O in a long time. I have no idea which Warden did what. Same for all my Hawkes. So I make things up. Yay. Why did I play the games again?

 

Many of the decisions you made aren't in the keep. Did you kill the high dragon at the Temple of Sacred Ashes? Just one of many things no longer mentioned.

Is your Hawke a two-handed warrior? Cause that's not in there either... so s/he will show up with sword and shield. Awesome, eh? Same for archer/dual wield rogue.

 

Remember the BG series? NWN? There were hundreds of global stats in each savegame, detailing how you handled quests, encounters etc. If you have been nice to a NPC, he might help you out later. Stuff like that. DA:O and DA2 had those, too. Not in the Keep either.

 

What shows up in DA:I isn't Hawke, it's a shadow. Oh, s/he's not the correct personality either... unless sarcastic somehow means serious now. Again, not in the Keep.

 

To make it clear where your misunderstanding lies: There is no savegame transfer at all. Dragon Age Keep does not upload savegames, it uses the stats from the BioWare database where your characters are listed (and if you never uploaded anything because you played without internet connection, then you're fucked). From that it only takes the portrait and the name of the character. Nothing else. Your choices in the games don't matter, because you have to make them manually in the Keep.

 

Do you see why it would make a huge difference if we could import savegames into DA:I? Aside from saving us the work of creating world states and manually editing Hawke's appearance?

 

Yes, for new players who never played the previous two games the DA Keep is optimal. But... things like that aren't new. There's optional DLC for ME3 that allows you to create the story of ME1+2 so ME3 starts with the proper world state. DA:I made that mandatory.

 

Oh, and your 10 years older thing? Hawke looks like she's 21 in DA:I.

Honestly I had a problem which of my import characters was the right version, but ultimately if you have the race you want you can script your story as you had it. It's far from perfect as some of the choices were incorrect from my actual playthrough, however it's better than nothing.  None of this is mandatory however if you want to run the default storyline they created. 

 

Btw the only contribution I had to the 10 year older debate was that loghain wouldn't turn into Willam Dafoe after 10 years. If was was in his/her 20's during DA2 then realistically he/she could look pretty much the same. There are a lot of real people who doesn't really age much over a decade.

[o Ventus]

That shouldn't excuse Hawke looking completely different... I mean, Varric and Cassandra both look pretty much exactly how they did before just more high res.

Cassandra had no scars in DA2, and Varric's face looks plenty different in DAI.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Honestly I had a problem which of my import characters was the right version, but ultimately if you have the race you want you can script your story as you had it. It's far from perfect as some of the choices were incorrect from my actual playthrough, however it's better than nothing.  None of this is mandatory however if you want to run the default storyline they created. 

 

Btw the only contribution I had to the 10 year older debate was that loghain wouldn't turn into Willam Dafoe after 10 years. If was was in his/her 20's during DA2 then realistically he/she could look pretty much the same. There are a lot of real people who doesn't really age much over a decade.

 

K, I knew I was wasting my time when I wrote that long post. You still don't get it. Alright. Let's just stop this here.

 

Btw... Loghain has a daughter in her twenties. Queen Anora? Ever heard of her? He's ~50 in DA:O, which makes him ~60 in DA:I.

[uzivatel]

Wtf, I don't even have that hairstyle in my game. Does it only come up for Hawke? If this was in the game, I would have chosen it for my Inky... is it a mod?

No mods, its in the base game. Probably just Hawke.

[Teligth]

K, I knew I was wasting my time when I wrote that long post. You still don't get it. Alright. Let's just stop this here.

 

Btw... Loghain has a daughter in her twenties. Queen Anora? Ever heard of her? He's ~50 in DA:O, which makes him ~60 in DA:I.

At this point I believe you are starting to just troll. Going from 50 to 60 or so doesn't change how you look that drastically. He looks like an entirely different person.

 

Dude I literally get what you are saying. There have been other groups who have better utilized save states, but then again Bioware hasn't. I'm not trying to defend them, but remember then are under the thumb of EA at the same time.

[DaemionMoadrin]

At this point I believe you are starting to just troll. Going from 50 to 60 or so doesn't change how you look that drastically. He looks like an entirely different person.

 

Dude I literally get what you are saying. There have been other groups who have better utilized save states, but then again Bioware hasn't. I'm not trying to defend them, but remember then are under the thumb of EA at the same time.

 

I'm not trolling, you just don't get that there are no save states or savegames or anything that's being transfered from your games to DA:I. I don't blame you for that, this was a recurring issue during the beta, many people assumed the info of their savegames was being uploaded to the Keep and in the end the devs had to add a message to the DA Keep saying that this is not the case..

The problem with that is that DA Keep can't tell you which of your characters is which. You have to manually recreate their entire story from memory despite all the necessary info being readily available within the savegames. Do you know which of your 10+ Wardens romanced Leliana four years ago? Which one went through the Dark Ritual? Who did you side with during the conflicts of the main quest? Who rules Ferelden now?

At this point all your actions, your decision and choices made in the previous games don't matter. DA Keep treats them as non existent. You might as well not have played the previous games at all.

 

DA Keep handles a fraction of the decisions you made over the course of two games and leaves out quite a lot of important info, which would have been included in a direct savegame import into DA:I. Hawke's weapon spec or personality don't transfer and I think that's rather important. Not to mention quite a lot other decisions made with both protagonists.

 

The only, flimsy excuse for this I can think of is that they wanted to reduce the amount of decision nodes, of branching story lines in DA:I. Perhaps because there's at least one other game following it. I remember when the devs talked about ME3 and explained that the game became exponentially more complex compared to its predecessors because of all the different story nodes (or however they called it).

 

And yes, this is mandatory. You are forced to import a world state from the Keep to create a new game. Even if it is the default one.

 

As long as you continue to talk about imported save states and characters I will continue to assume that you misunderstand the issue at hand.

 

Btw... I don't disagree with you, Loghain does look different in DA:I. That being said, some people change drastically over the course of a decade. Just take a look at the US presidents before and after their 2 terms in office.

[Fireheart]

Oh yeah, I forgot about Loghain. They made him look like a frog in DAI. He looked worse than his daughter, and that's saying a lot because Anora was the worst looking character in the whole game, until I saw on Youtube that Loghain could show up. I also found it funny that they put Anora in a generic dress that a whole bunch of women hanging around Haven were wearing, while Alistair gets a custom made outfit. Another thing, I don't understand, why doesn't GW Alistair have Duncan's shield?

 

And yeah, the Keep thing confused me at first. When I first used it, some sidequests were already filled in, and with the exact options I had chosen in-game, so it made me wonder whether or not the Keep was using my save data because everything that was there already seemed entirely accurate. I like that they made the keep, but I find it kinda stupid they couldn't find some sort of middle ground with it. Couldn't they have made it so that if someone played DAO and DA2 on ps3 and xbox, then bought DAI for the same systems, couldn't they have made it possible for the game to read dao and da2's save files? Same for pc users. Keep should've only been mandatory for next gen users, imo. And Keep for new players does not make any sense. Sure it's a quick introduction to the story, but that's all it is. I had a friend who I showed the Keep(my canon worldstate) to, and he still didn't really understand what was going on, why some things happened the way they did. I had to fill in the blanks. If anything, the Keep was made for fans of the series who needed a refresher, and didn't want to play through the other 2 games again.

[gangly369]

"Am I the only one..."

 

 

 

NO.

 

 

 

Sorry, pet peeve of mine. Carry on

[SugarBabe49]

I actually thought the Default Female Hawke looked a lot like a human version of Fiona so needless to say I immediately went and changed her hairstyle. Thankfully, with a few adjustment (especially with her hair), she looked more like herself rather than FIona *shuddered* I do not need a version of her running around pretending to be my Hawke thank you.

 

Leliana looked the same to me to be honest - she even STILL has the same hairstyle. At least Alistair did some changes with his. Yeah, Alistair does look different (Especially his nose, I think it looks more crooked in Inquisition - maybe he broke his nose in between Origins and Inquisition - what the hell have you been doing Alistair?)

 

Cassandra looks better in Inquisition - I think it was the eyeshadow make up in II that had been toned down whereas Varric looks weathered (having a crapshoot for a town would do that to you, not to mention being worried for Hawke) and his hair looks shorter.

 

So yeah - I was kind of ticked off that my Female Hawke got the short end of the stick whereas Male Hawke looks a little more closer to his II counterpart. (Makes me glad that Carver and Bethany never showed up in Inquisition - who knows what they would have looked like!)