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elikal71

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Ok, I would like to start an Ending discussion, about all the general thoughts and ideas the Ending implicates, because I have open questions and would like to hear other people's interpretation.

 

You see, ever since DA:O I wanted to KNOW about the Elven Gods, the Dragon Gods, the Maker and what is the reality of the Golden City and the Blight. To me, even then it was surprising and aggravating that apparently nobody cared to research the background of it. The Wardens were just content to fight the Blights, and no research desired. I found that even back then profoundly stupid. It has been quite a letdown tbh that both DA1 and DA2 essentially answered nothing on these topics. With DA Inquisition (hence DA3), we have *some* answers, but it is thin, so little, that I am halfway more frustrated than really knowing stuff.

 

We are not one step closer to know if the story of the Maker, the sin, the Golden City and it all is true or not. Unless you see something in the DA3 story that I didn't. As in DA1 I played Dalish Elf in DA3, true to Elven heritage but as good person. I got Leiliana as new Divine, which from the epiloge seemed good enough, making much needed reforms. That was good.

 

I was not really surprised Flemeth was Mythal, or had Mythal inside of her. Already in DA2 there was this summoning to a mountain with Mythal's former sanctuary, and we all I think expected her to be more than just a witch of the wild. That Solas is Fen'Harel was a surprise. Personally, I always favoured the theory the Maker was Fen'Harel, or Fen'Harel posing as him, wanting to be the only God left. But now... Little of the Epiloge made sense to me.

 

Why was Mythal free? If Mythal somehow cooperated with Fen'Harel, why are the other Gods away? Did Fen'Harel and Mythal have a love relationship and sealed away the other Gods? Out of revenge? Or are they the left overs? Nothing here makes sense to me. So maybe someone has a better theory.

And why did Fen'Harel aka Solas give the Orb to Corypheus in the first place? What did he expect to gain from Corypheus entering the Black City? Flemeth-Mythal says to the Inquisitor shortly before the end, she has been wronged. But by whom? If Fen'Harel works with her, was she wronged by the other Gods? And Fen'Harel-Solus seems to care for the Elves a lot. Sorry I can't make heads or tails of any of this. Alas, I found Corypheus a bit a weak bad guy for a story. He appeared to rarely, and was not really seen. It was a bit a weak baddy if you ask me.

 

 

 

A few extra sidenotes:

- the Blackwall revelation was one of the biggest shocks; I really looked up to him as a mentor or wise person before; that was sad!

- Varric was... weird? Kinda too serious and depressed if you ask me

- I liked the relationship with Dorian, though I must admit he was a bit too... flamboyant for my taste, but well designed

- I did not feel so connected to ANY companions as I had wished. The DA1 and DA2 companions used to be closer to me, here I always felt distant to them, partially playing a Dalish who didn't believe in the Maker created a rift between me and them, but in part... I dunno. I just didn't feel the mojo. They were alright, but not the close friends other Bioware games made companions feel like.

- I really thought the visuals of the landscape where among the most stunning I had ever seen in a game! I made so many screenshots! :D

- despite this, the game lacked a bit the feeling of being a "world". Comparing it to Skyrim, DA3 felt too much like a theatre stage waiting for me

 

 

Well, so many open questions. I would love to hear what you think of the ending, what you interprete into it. Alas, I fear having to wait another 4-5 years to get stuff revealed. I really had hoped DA3 would end a trilogy with more finality and more clear answers, the way ME3 did. But as it is, we know barely more than before. :/

At this point I wonder, if Bioware even HAS a finite answer to the entire Gods/Maker/Golden City complex?? Or do they make it up as they go??


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I think they have an answer regarding the maker and the golden city. But they've already told us they wouldn't reveal the Maker's nature. So that's that.
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elikal71

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Oookay. So the Maker will always remain just a legendary figure? That's quite... unsatisfying.



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the maker will always remain a Maker good choice i think.

For example in DAO to me The Dread wolf was a powerful and evil god who dont care about mortals.

Now well he is simply------->Solas....



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I hope there are no such gods,Solas for me is pathetic.I hope it 's just a powerful wizard or even a spirit whatsoever.



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Indeed, it certainly increased the questions, and since they revealed Solas to be Fen'Harel and Flemmeth to be Mythal, it's kinda is adding something like 'WTF? logic' into the whole story. As far as plot twists go, it's interesting. Why did Solas lost so much power? What in the Void happen to the other 'gods'? Where are they sealed? Is the Fade where Fen'Harel sealed the other 'gods'? If so, what's the cricket is up with the Tevinter 'gods' being underground? For that matter, what the cricket is the deal with ancient elven 'gods' and Tevinter 'gods'? Are they separated deity? If so, how come? Ancient Elven first, or Tevinter? If they exist simultaneously, why did Solas said the ancient elven 'gods' have nothing to do with the Tevinter 'gods'? If he is the one that sealed them both away, how can he not know? Also, I thought the lore said that Fen'Harel sealed the 'gods' in one place, how come the Ancient elven 'gods' was sealed in the Fade (if that's the case), and the Tevinter 'gods' sealed underground, where the darkspawn can find them so easily?

 

More so, if Fen'Harel was a god, what's going on with the story of the Maker and Andraste? According to the Sacred Ashes trip, Andraste did exist, and her story matched with what the Chantry was teaching. What? Also, her ashes was what cure Arl Eamon, if she didn't exist, what the cricket?

 

Dragon Age Inquisition pretty much took the lores we know in Dragon Age and the confirmation of the lore in Dragon Age II and throw them every which way. I can't make head or tails or even what the cricket it is........



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the maker will always remain a Maker good choice i think.
For example in DAO to me The Dread wolf was a powerful and evil god who dont care about mortals.
Now well he is simply------->Solas....


It sounded like The Dread Wolf was never evil according to Flemeth.
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DA was never intended as a trilogy.

 

They designed Origins to be a stand-alone if need be. DA2 was the beginning of them fashioning their larger story arcs. DAI built upon that. We were never going to get all/most of the answers in DAI/'DA3'.

 

Look for that more in 'DA5' or 'DA6', which is as high a number as Bioware has been willing to talk about. However, they've also talked about it going even further if it makes sense for them to do so.

 

EDIT: When it comes to the Maker, we may be able to piece stuff together from several games imo, but there may never be a definitive answer about the Maker, or even if he exists. But I'm sure we'll have more and more to debate about and roleplay with.

DAI seemed to have a 'You're not actually the Herald but people think you are and that's good enough' gist by the end, but for all you really know, the Maker still did set this in motion, and you really may be the Herald/Harbinger of an arrival of some sort of Andraste-ness (a person, a concept, a magic, I dunno!). DA4 we'll see or not.


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reading all this diskussion threads i got a weird idea... what if the elven gods are the dragon gods? what if the dread wolf forced the elven gods to become dragons forever? (=improsend them) (flemeth/ mythal can turn into a dragoon after all)

 

after all we know only 2 dragon gods are left after 5 bligths... and we have only the wolf and mythal left from the elven gods



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reading all this diskussion threads i got a weird idea... what if the elven gods are the dragon gods? what if the dread wolf forced the elven gods to become dragons forever? (=improsend them) (flemeth/ mythal can turn into a dragoon after all)

 

after all we know only 2 dragon gods are left after 5 bligths... and we have only the wolf and mythal left from the elven gods

 

=x I remember Solas said specifically that the ancient elven have nothing to do with the dragon gods the Tevinter spoke of. And according to the lore, there are two factions: the Ancient Elven gods, and the Forgotten Ones. When Fen'Harel sealed the gods, he sealed the 'good' gods up in the sky, and the 'bad' gods down in the abyss. So.....I don't think they are one another.



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=x I remember Solas said specifically that the ancient elven have nothing to do with the dragon gods the Tevinter spoke of. And according to the lore, there are two factions: the Ancient Elven gods, and the Forgotten Ones. When Fen'Harel sealed the gods, he sealed the 'good' gods up in the sky, and the 'bad' gods down in the abyss. So.....I don't think they are one another.

 

True, but Solas also says that Dalish lore is wrong about a lot of things, esp. when it comes to Fen Harel.  But you're right about the first part.  

 

Also, there are 9 gods in the elven pantheon, so if the elven gods WERE the old gods, presumably it would be the other 7, and not Mythal and Fen'Harel.



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Well, I'm assuming the Crators and the Maker are one and the same. Solas, of course the trickster, why else would he remain to fight Cor. who is a magister of old and did breach the black/golden city. I think that is what caused the trouble with Elven gods and, what destroyed Arlathan as well as starting the blights.

 

Just my thoughts but, I think Solas was tricked by Cor, gave him the orb in hopes of restoring Arlathan but, then relized his mistake and set out to save the world.



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"You see, ever since DA:O I wanted to KNOW about the Elven Gods, the Dragon Gods, the Maker and what is the reality of the Golden City and the Blight. To me, even then it was surprising and aggravating that apparently nobody cared to research the background of it. "

 

 

Sir , I agree with you 100% . Before launch I thought that we might get the answers this time . But Bioware said no . You want to know why ? There is no point to force the answers in the third installment . You already have a big story , why cripple the later installments ? Anyway , I expect that the last , or the previous from that title will give us the answers we want and somewhere deep inside my heart I hope we get to play the Warden again as the main character (survive by miracle like Leliana or sth , I really don't care) , because if something makes sense is that the Maker , the Blight and the Old Gods are bounded together somehow .



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For those who read The Masked Empire, what do you think about that epilogue compared to DA:I's epilogue? They're pretty similar.



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We are not one step closer to know if the story of the Maker, the sin, the Golden City and it all is true or not.


That's intentional. One of the professed designs of the setting is one that's ambiguous on its gods. They didn't like how all the fantasy settings had their gods be a matter of fact.

I want to attribute it to Gaider, but my memory is about as reliable as Varric's storytelling.

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Judging by her fiery dialogue with Morrigan and Inquisitior in the Fade about justice denied and how she always manipulates things I think Flemeth posessed Solas's body for goals unknown. She's clearly up to something and is bent on some sort of vengeance as per Mythal's will. Solas's eyes after possession flashed the same color as when she used her powers in the Fade. Solas seemed remorseful and caught off guard when possession happened. 

I'm not sure if he's a god, his wakening might have been simply awakening from uthenera slumber. The People he mentions clearly means elves. As to how Corypheus ended up with a sphere and what this sphere originally was meant to do I've no idea, release the elven gods from beyond maybe? The only thing that bugs me is that Corypheus doesn't aknowldge Solas at all in the game, meaning he got his hands on the sphere somehow when Solas was away.



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Just beat the game as I post this.

 

Wow. Ok. Solas. Hawke? I think there's trouble on the Horizon.

 

I mean...... we know a bit more about Flemeth now, but.... I think even what she is, coul be a lie.... that's her skill

 

Is Kieran a normal boy now?



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When Bioware said the wouldn't reveal the makers nature the basically confirmed he existed. The are not telling us what or whom the maker is exactly though.