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Was Hawke supposed to be the Inquisitor? *Spoilers*


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...honestly, I love 'em and all, but I think both my Hawke and my Warden would have made terrible Inquisitors. :S

 

I think the Warden would do okay, but exceptionally bad things have a tendency to happen when Hawke is around. Don't mean that as a jab at Hawke, he/she is kind of just teh Bad Luck Brian of Dragon Age protagonists. Putting them at the head of the Inquisition would be asking for disaster.  :lol:


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I absolutely agree.  I have way more of an attachment to my Inquisitor than I ever did to Hawke.  Hawke just felt so limited.  The Inquisitor has so many ways that s/he can be played.  I'm loving my qunari Inquisitor.

 

The Warden is also an excellent character.  But I'm thoroughly thrilled that the Inquisitor is not either of the two previous protagonists and, as much as I love him, I hope they continue the trend with a new protagonist for DA 4 too.

Hawkes major issue is she never really took the initiative to alot of things and thus everything fell apart, while she does start to in DAi, it's just far to late and I think even she knows no matter what she does, she can never atone for her mistakes and crimes at Kirkwall.

 

While you can play the Inquisitor like that, you can also play her/him as very proactive, ruthless, a person who follows a code ect. The possibility are just endless.



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I think the Warden would do okay, but exceptionally bad things have a tendency to happen when Hawke is around. Don't mean that as a jab at Hawke, he/she is kind of just teh Bad Luck Brian of Dragon Age protagonists. Putting them at the head of the Inquisition would be asking for disaster.  :lol:

The fact that even Hawke brings their massive failures up even shows that Hawke knows disaster follows them.



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I think the Warden would do okay

 

In my case she could probably do what Cullen does alright, but mine had about the same amount of political skill as her mabari. She'd have been pretty much eaten alive at the Winter Palace. :S



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Even nightmare taunted Hawke how nothing she did mattered.
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I think that some of the story came from DA2's cancelled Exalted March DLC which would have had Hawke as a protagonist which might be where you see some of this and get that idea but that at no time was DA:I ever going to have Hawke as the protagonist.



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So did stolen powers also make Inquisitor extremely proactive, very intelligent and a good leader? I think not.

Also the Warden has "speical powers, being able to sense darkspawn and being able to kill the arch-demon counts, just like every warden and please, half the recruitment Duncan did was just plain luck or such reeked of contrivance.

Having three good advisor help with good leader part. The Herald of Andraste bit also inspired people to still believe and follow you. A giant hole in the sky and being the only one with the power to close it helps with the proactive part. The very intelligent, well that's just you controlling the Inquisitor.

The Warden's special power to sense Darkspawn doesn't really help since it doesn't work ingame compare to Focus of the Rift, if we're just about ingame ability. The Warden also spent half of the game fight everything but Darkspawns. And heck, if you think Duncan's recruitment is just plain luck, I could say the same of the Inquisitor being the ONLY one to walk in and interrupt Cory's plan at the Conclave.

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Even nightmare taunted Hawke how nothing she did mattered.

There are loads of bits in the game taking the **** out of DA2!

 

Dorian- " Varric, I went to Kirkwall once"

Varric- "Yeah?"

Dorain- "It's a shithole"

Varric- (resigned)"...yeah"



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There are loads of bits in the game taking the **** out of DA2!

Dorian- " Varric, I went to Kirkwall once"
Varric- "Yeah?"
Dorain- "It's a shithole"
Varric- (resigned)"...yeah"


Yep.

Even Varric has a go at how boring Sebastian is!

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I would have preferred for the Inquisitor to be Hawke. Or failing that, be more like Hawke. 

 

One of the big criticisms of DAII was the conversation tree symbol system, where you basically chose a tone rather than a direct response. I think that BioWare were a bit too overzealous in pandering to the people who felt that way, and the result is a much more neutral (and dull-sounding) protagonist.

 

To be honest, that's just indicative of the problems the game has in general. They were criticised for the recycled environments so made it more 'open-world', but in putting an emphasis on exploration, they lost a lot of the human (dwarve, elve, Qunari) element that made side-content so engaging in the first two games.

 

Whether or not Hawke was ever intended to lead the game, he was a much more interesting character even if his game had some issues. At least being entertaining wasn't one of them.



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could have been, tbh never really thought of it, i guess it would have been easily explained for Hawke to be there an if im honest i actually wouldnt have minded playing another game as Hawke, one where they actually put abit of spit n polish into it.

 

theres perks to playing a different pc every game, but theres also perks to continuing the story of a existing one, we are only 3 games into Dragon Age an truth be told im getting a little bit tired of changing pc for each installment, hopefully if the franchise continues we can get to experience a pc for more than one installment



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I think the inquisitor can be quite funny. I got mine to say a couple of terrible puns and several lines made me chuckle.

 

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Anyway, having both Hawke and the Warden lead the Inquisition would have been interesting story-wise. The respective companions (the friendly ones, at least) could be used as agents (Zevran and Isabela would make great agents. Nathaniel, Fenris and Oghren would be useful as well, if a tad heavy on the alcohol supplies). It would be a nightmare to implement though, so I'm not complaining. Still, I can't imagine my mage Warden and mage Hawke keeping to their business and playing courier while demons pour out of the sky, especially considering their expertise in handling darkspawn, demons and various fade bullshit. This just asks for writing and fan art. There goes my career.



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I think the Warden would do okay, but exceptionally bad things have a tendency to happen when Hawke is around. Don't mean that as a jab at Hawke, he/she is kind of just teh Bad Luck Brian of Dragon Age protagonists. Putting them at the head of the Inquisition would be asking for disaster.  :lol:

 

On the flip side, the Warden would be compromised against the Big Bad.



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I couldn't really say whether the devs were ever seriously considering Hawke for the Inquisitor at one point or whether that was Cassandra's plan out of desperation (and to tie up a loose plot point), but I'm glad they didn't.  Hawke spent the entirety of DA2 reacting to stuff--and generally watching things go downhill despite (or because of) his/her intervention.  I was actually cool with that in DA2: I felt like the human story of Hawke basically getting stripped of everything s/he held dear was more compelling than another hard-charging, all knowing, save-the-day protagonist would have been.  But, although it probably would have presented a nice opportunity for Hawke to get redemption (and some semblance of control), I think s/he deserves a break from being in the middle of interesting events!



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On the flip side, the Warden would be compromised against the Big Bad.


You can simply say that the warden is special :) ;)
 that something happened in the Fade.

 

Or my best explanation that the soul of the old god left something behind in the warden when it was channeled through him to morrigans child.  



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You can simply say that the warden is special :) ;)

 

Or my best explanation that the soul of the old god left something behind in the warden when it was channeled through him to morrigans child.  

 

But it wasn't, necessarily. It's possible for the Warden to still be alive without the Dark Ritual, by having either Loghain or Alistiar kill the Archdemon in their place.

 

In any event, I can't think of a reason why the Warden would be immune to Corypheus' body snatching ability without it being a colossal ass-pull.



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I would have preferred for the Inquisitor to be Hawke. Or failing that, be more like Hawke. 

 

One of the big criticisms of DAII was the conversation tree symbol system, where you basically chose a tone rather than a direct response. I think that BioWare were a bit too overzealous in pandering to the people who felt that way, and the result is a much more neutral (and dull-sounding) protagonist.

 

To be honest, that's just indicative of the problems the game has in general. They were criticised for the recycled environments so made it more 'open-world', but in putting an emphasis on exploration, they lost a lot of the human (dwarve, elve, Qunari) element that made side-content so engaging in the first two games.

 

Whether or not Hawke was ever intended to lead the game, he was a much more interesting character even if his game had some issues. At least being entertaining wasn't one of them.

Yes, let's be a non-active protag that does nothing, fails to protect everyone and causers disaster. Great idea!.

 

Hawke is fine but she was a horrible protag and PC, you lacked way too many options and roleplaying possibilities with Hawke, Inquisitor gives you far more freedom, if the inquisitor is boring that really has to do with oyu, not the character, same with the Warden.



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I can't really think about Hawke too hard in this game, because it makes NO sense to me that she would not be a part of this, even as an advisor, if not the main character.  I know there are those who hate Hawke with a passion, but to me, the tone system really worked to make Hawke a more fleshed out protagonist.  Out of the three DA main characters, Hawke is the one I would want back in another game.

 

Also, can you imagine Sarcastic Hawke during judgments?  What a missed opportunity.


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Didn't they say around the time DA2 came out that Hawke would be the most important person in Thedas? It seemed like it to me that Hawke would have been the Inquisitor, but due to backlash they scrapped Hawke's story and moved onto a new protagonist. The Inquisitor seems to have had the biggest impact in Thedas so far, whereas Hawke and the Warden have just been on a city wide/country wide scale, rather than the continent.



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But it wasn't, necessarily. It's possible for the Warden to still be alive without the Dark Ritual, by having either Loghain or Alistiar kill the Archdemon in their place.
 
In any event, I can't think of a reason why the Warden would be immune to Corypheus' body snatching ability without it being a colossal ass-pull.


Usually Bioware has used simple explanations, I can see that it can happen here as well. If your warden didn't do the dark ritual and lived like you said, just say that something happened in the Fade and you discover that later.

Or if you did the Dark ritual use my explanation.

simple but effective

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Usually Bioware has used simple explanations, I can see that it can happen here as well. If your warden didn't do the dark ritual and lived like you said, just say that something happened in the Fade and you discover that later.

Or if you did the Dark ritual use my explanation.

simple but effective

 

Personally I simply prefer to think that the Warden would have been useless against Corypheus. As much as I like my Warden, I think it's good for a character to have vulnerabilities and weaknesses. Neither Hawke nor the Inquisitor would have been able to ddefeat the Archdemon, but the Warden wouldn't have been able to beat Corypheus.



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My Hawke would have snarked all the members of the inquisition out of Skyhold.

 

In reality though, my canon Hawke was extremely pro-mage, crazy Anders level of rebellious. She would have been more invested in the mage/templar plot line and the past with Corypheus would have helped too. 

 

That said, I like the variety of the Inquisitor. My first playthrough was a dalish elf mage, and she felt so wrapped up in the history and the lore. I'm currently playing a human rogue, who is a devout Andrastian and Templar supporter. Despite playing the same story and even having the same voice, they feel like entirely different characters. For me personally, I can never see Hawke as anyone other than my (very beloved) snarky mage extremist.


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I can't really think about Hawke too hard in this game, because it makes NO sense to me that she would not be a part of this, even as an advisor, if not the main character.  I know there are those who hate Hawke with a passion, but to me, the tone system really worked to make Hawke a more fleshed out protagonist.  Out of the three DA main characters, Hawke is the one I would want back in another game.

 

Also, can you imagine Sarcastic Hawke during judgments?  What a missed opportunity.

She is part of it and she played her role well, anymore and she would have been overstaying her welcome for me. Also I enjoyed Inquisitors sarcasm more then Hawkes.



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Personally I simply prefer to think that the Warden would have been useless against Corypheus. As much as I like my Warden, I think it's good for a character to have vulnerabilities and weaknesses. Neither Hawke nor the Inquisitor would have been able to ddefeat the Archdemon, but the Warden wouldn't have been able to beat Corypheus.


Of course im not saying that the warden should be invincible like that.

Im only say that the warden could resist at some degree. that he/she feels a burning pain in the Head and fall down in agony as coryphyas is trying to take control over the warden but is failing to do so.

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Yes, let's be a non-active protag that does nothing, fails to protect everyone and causers disaster. Great idea!.

 

Hawke is fine but she was a horrible protag and PC, you lacked way too many options and roleplaying possibilities with Hawke, Inquisitor gives you far more freedom, if the inquisitor is boring that really has to do with oyu, not the character, same with the Warden.

 

It's not the same with the Warden at all. The Warden has no voice, so you are free to put your own affliction on lines and create your own delivery. In Inquisition, the tone is dictated by the voice artists and the writers. The only difference between the Inquisitor and Hawke is that for some bizarre reason, BioWare decided to dial back the opportunities to respond with any sort of emotion. 

 

The Inquisitor also failed to 'save everyone'. During the attack on Haven, several key personnel are killed right in front of you. As for Hawke's inaction, you and i must have played very different versions of Dragon Age II. As a single example, my Hawke attempted to smooth things over with the Arishok and prevent Qunari tensions from rising too high. Of course he failed, but others who decided to side with Sister Petrice and antagonise and goad the Qunari were free to do so.