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Hawke being abandoned in the Fade only to return as Crazy!Hawke like Robbin Williams (RIP) in Jumanji is too good to pass up. 

I love Hawke but I would totally leave her in the Fade if this happened.

 

The potential dramaaa. Also, awesome potential boss fight.



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(The Darkspawn DLC is pretty fun, I recommend it!)

 

Here's my resume for the writing team:

 

Instead of being a Kill Bill-style mission, you assemble a strike team to go back into the Fade and pull out whoever you left behind. Since you could have left someone from DAO or someone from DA2 in there, your strike team is comprised of companions from both games. Dorian is the character who suggests it - he's been going through Alexius' old notes, and he thinks he's figured out a way to manipulate time so you can show up right before whoever you left dies. 

 

You play as Varric - either to go save Hawke, or at the request of Hawke, who can't abide the thought of a Warden dying to save them. 

 

Your companion options are: 

 

- Bethany/Carver

- Anders/Fenris

- Alistair/Loghain

- Recruit Blackwall

- Nathaniel Howe

- Oghren

- Zevran (he's doing this as a favor to Alistair/the Hero of Fereldan/Morrigan)

- Dog

 

Objective #1: You first have to figure out a way to get into the Fade in a "let's not destroy the world" kind of way, and Varric takes you to Merrill, who, with Morrigan, helps you get into the Fade. 

 

Then you have to fight through various levels of the Fade. You come to a Pride demon who aaaaalmost kills you, before the spirit of Wynne shows up, saves your bacon (like she did so many times in Origins), and tells you the secret to defeating the Nightmare Demon. 

 

The DLC ends with you pulling Hawke/the Warden out of the Fade and into the chaos of Weisshaupt Fortress. 


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Thank the Maker I'm not the only one who came to this conclusion! It gives me hope, lol! I'm not convinced that whomever was left behind automatically dies. As others have pointed out, there is a lot of strong evidence to support the idea that Hawke, especially a mage Hawke, can and is meant to survive. I expect and hope that it will be addressed, if not in DLC, then in the next full game.

 

 

And while I understand why they had the LIs separate from Hawke, a tiny piece of me felt that if Hawke was still with Anders, that he would have instantly gone batshit upon receipt of Varric's letter and shown up in Skyhold to burn the place down in vengeance.  :lol:  Maybe Fenris, too.


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Thank the Maker I'm not the only one who came to this conclusion! It gives me hope, lol! I'm not convinced that whomever was left behind automatically dies. As others have pointed out, there is a lot of strong evidence to support the idea that Hawke, especially a mage Hawke, can and is meant to survive. I expect and hope that it will be addressed, if not in DLC, then in the next full game.

 

 

And while I understand why they had the LIs separate from Hawke, a tiny piece of me felt that if Hawke was still with Anders, that he would have instantly gone batshit upon receipt of Varric's letter and shown up in Skyhold to burn the place down in vengeance.  :lol:  Maybe Fenris, too.

More of the opinion with Fenris he'd find some way to use his Lyrium tattoos to join Hawke and get her out of the fade.  One hot rescue!


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I left Hawke, and I honestly think that's the "correct" choice. 

 

I have a pretty crazy theory about why this is so. 

 

See, after I finished the game, and got the endgame cutscene, I got really curious about the time Flemeth appeared in Dragon Age II. So I hunted down a video of her. 

 

 

The really important part comes at 3:43

 

"Destiny awaits us both, dear boy. We have much to do. Before I go, a word of advice? We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the Abyss. Watch for that moment, and when it comes... do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly."

 

The name of this whole quest in Inquisition? Here Lies the Abyss. Hmm, I think the writers are trying to tell me something.... 

 

So Flemeth is giving Hawke a prophecy not for anything which happens in DAII - she's telling Hawke that when s/he's in the Abyss, s/he should leap and risk falling. 

 

What I would *really* like to do is get a bunch of people together who have played Aggresive Hawke, Diplomatic Hawke, etc, and compare their animations if they are left in the Fade. Because, after all, Flemeth only said "whether" you can fly, and I'd love to see if there's a difference in a Hawke who could survive the Fade versus one who gave into fear and died. 

I totally agree with this theory. I believe that Hawke was destined to "leap in the Abyss." I also believe that when Hawke falls to the demon spider, Hawke will learn that he/she CAN fly. Flemeth saved Hawke for a reason. Its all part of a larger picture.


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I doubt Hawke dies

Plus the whole idea of Hawke going to the Warden and trying to solve their problems terrify me. Never Hawke actually managed to solve a problem without turning it firstly into a civil war

But I kinda feel sorry to Fenris and Carver and Varric and she kinda saved Nathaniel...



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If my Hawke got left in the Fade (which will never happen), Mages would never again have to fear demonic possession because my Hawke would have annihilated every demon there.

Then, from his Golden Throne, he would be ever watchful for spirits who got out of line so he could meet out necessary destruction.

And we would have peace.

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What I don't get is that the inquisitor can open rifts to the fade at will. Why not just go back to adamant, open a rift, put foot to giant spider ass and rescue the person who got left behind?
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I think there could be a plot point in some later game where all of your previous main characters meet in one place.



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I have played all three versions and only left Hawke in the fade once and that was with Alistair.  I just could not let my warden be with out her man.  But all the other times I left either Stroud or Loghain in the fade.



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I hope so. Something. I have to choose between Alistair or Hawke, and it kills me every time. 



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Hawke is forever shielded from the chorus of negativity coming from BSN.  



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Hawk in the Fade is either fighting an eternal battle with Corypheus, or wanking to a desire demon.



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It's good to know that Alistair was the one with Hawke in the fade in the trailers. It would be a hard choice for me as well but If I import a warden Alistair I'll have to use a default looking Hawke and customize his actions to be really bad then I'll have no problem feeding him to old Blinky :D

 

I've done this thanks to the Dragon Age Keep. Its much easier to sacrifice Hawke this way.  Oh and Varric does not grieve as much. ;)


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(The Darkspawn DLC is pretty fun, I recommend it!)

 

Here's my resume for the writing team:

 

Instead of being a Kill Bill-style mission, you assemble a strike team to go back into the Fade and pull out whoever you left behind. Since you could have left someone from DAO or someone from DA2 in there, your strike team is comprised of companions from both games. Dorian is the character who suggests it - he's been going through Alexius' old notes, and he thinks he's figured out a way to manipulate time so you can show up right before whoever you left dies. 

 

You play as Varric - either to go save Hawke, or at the request of Hawke, who can't abide the thought of a Warden dying to save them. 

 

Your companion options are: 

 

- Bethany/Carver

- Anders/Fenris

- Alistair/Loghain

- Recruit Blackwall

- Nathaniel Howe

- Oghren

- Zevran (he's doing this as a favor to Alistair/the Hero of Fereldan/Morrigan)

- Dog

 

Objective #1: You first have to figure out a way to get into the Fade in a "let's not destroy the world" kind of way, and Varric takes you to Merrill, who, with Morrigan, helps you get into the Fade. 

 

Then you have to fight through various levels of the Fade. You come to a Pride demon who aaaaalmost kills you, before the spirit of Wynne shows up, saves your bacon (like she did so many times in Origins), and tells you the secret to defeating the Nightmare Demon. 

 

The DLC ends with you pulling Hawke/the Warden out of the Fade and into the chaos of Weisshaupt Fortress. 

 

 

 

You have my money!!! :wizard: :wizard:



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There is no need for speculation because no one is crazy enough to leave the popular, influential, charismatic, and well-known Champion of Kirkwall in the fade when there's a low ranking, easily replaced (Literally), and unknown Grey Warden that would happily die to restore honor to their fallen organization.



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In my canon I had to leave Hawke behind because leaving romanced Alistair is too much for me to handle. Now maybe if I leave Loghain/Stroud in the Fade on all of my other playthroughs I won't feel guilty about it anymore :)

 

What I don't get is that the inquisitor can open rifts to the fade at will. Why not just go back to adamant, open a rift, put foot to giant spider ass and rescue the person who got left behind?

 

Too risky I guess. They wouldn't want the spider thingy to come through. But I don't see why Hawke/Warden can't kill/run away from the spider and get back to the real word through one of the rifts. There were certainly plenty of those around Thedas.

 

Oh, and I love the Flemeth's Warning theory as I would anything that gives me hope my Hawke will survive the Fade :)



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Yeah, well... Strout is basically a blank face. I would probably have left him there as well. But with Loghain/Alistair, I was looking at it from the "for-the-greater-good" angle. Imagine my face when the ending slides told me that Loghain was never heard of again in the south...

 

Loghain is a terrible choice. He's an evil tyrant who came to power by killing the very king he was supposed to protect. That's exactly what the wardens don't need.


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What I don't get is that the inquisitor can open rifts to the fade at will. Why not just go back to adamant, open a rift, put foot to giant spider ass and rescue the person who got left behind?

 

What I don't get is why you didn't kill the spider in the first place. There is no reason why the Inquisitor ran off when she never once backed down from any fight before.


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In my canon I had to leave Hawke behind because leaving romanced Alistair is too much for me to handle. Now maybe if I leave Loghain/Stroud in the Fade on all of my other playthroughs I won't feel guilty about it anymore :)

 

 

Too risky I guess. They wouldn't want the spider thingy to come through. But I don't see why Hawke/Warden can't kill/run away from the spider and get back to the real word through one of the rifts. There were certainly plenty of those around Thedas.

 

Oh, and I love the Flemeth's Warning theory as I would anything that gives me hope my Hawke will survive the Fade :)

The Inquisitor barely knows Alistair an didn't romance him.

 

While you know Hawke and worked with Hawke much more and Hawke was much more useful to the Inquisition as well as a popular figure known throughout all of Thedas. While Warden Alistair? A nobody of low ranking.


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Alistair's still a hero of the fifth Blight, he's hardly a nobody.


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The Inquisitor barely knows Alistair an didn't romance him.

While you know Hawke and worked with Hawke much more and Hawke was much more useful to the Inquisition as well as a popular figure known throughout all of Thedas. While Warden Alistair? A nobody of low ranking.


Alistair isn't a nobody. As he says, he's constantly answering questions about the Hero and the blight. People know who he is. Also, it's Hawkes fault Coryphypuss is out and causing havok in the first place. She wanted to do something to make it right. To help. As much as it breaks my heart, I let her. (also, I can't sacrifice Alistair. No way not ever.)
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I left Hawke, and I honestly think that's the "correct" choice.

I have a pretty crazy theory about why this is so.

See, after I finished the game, and got the endgame cutscene, I got really curious about the time Flemeth appeared in Dragon Age II. So I hunted down a video of her.



The really important part comes at 3:43

"Destiny awaits us both, dear boy. We have much to do. Before I go, a word of advice? We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the Abyss. Watch for that moment, and when it comes... do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly."

The name of this whole quest in Inquisition? Here Lies the Abyss. Hmm, I think the writers are trying to tell me something....

So Flemeth is giving Hawke a prophecy not for anything which happens in DAII - she's telling Hawke that when s/he's in the Abyss, s/he should leap and risk falling.

What I would *really* like to do is get a bunch of people together who have played Aggresive Hawke, Diplomatic Hawke, etc, and compare their animations if they are left in the Fade. Because, after all, Flemeth only said "whether" you can fly, and I'd love to see if there's a difference in a Hawke who could survive the Fade versus one who gave into fear and died.


I absolutely love this theory. It's now in my head canon for the time being. Nice one!

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Well, yes... I actually decided to leave my main Hawke mage in the Fade, because I care for the fate of the Wardens (I'm much more attached to my main DA:O-Warden than the other two PCs), and even Hawke himself said that the southern Wardens would need a guy like Loghain (or Alistair/that other guy from DA2) if they were to rebuild successfully.

Then, I also believed that mage Hawke would have much better chances of survival in the given situation than good ol' warrior Loghain, not to mention that the latter would probably never find a way to get out of the Fade, even if he survived that encounter.

 

Also, the game tells you only "Hawke is likely to die", meaning they leave a door open to bring Hawke/the Warden of your choice back.

 

Maybe I'm way too optimistic, but I believe this hole thing has "DLC" written allover it.

 

Is that a likely scenario? What do you think on the issue of Hawke and if you like also the Warden in the Fade

 

 

 

 

Well, yes... I actually decided to leave my main Hawke mage in the Fade, because I care for the fate of the Wardens (I'm much more attached to my main DA:O-Warden than the other two PCs), and even Hawke himself said that the southern Wardens would need a guy like Loghain (or Alistair/that other guy from DA2) if they were to rebuild successfully.

Then, I also believed that mage Hawke would have much better chances of survival in the given situation than good ol' warrior Loghain, not to mention that the latter would probably never find a way to get out of the Fade, even if he survived that encounter.

 

Also, the game tells you only "Hawke is likely to die", meaning they leave a door open to bring Hawke/the Warden of your choice back.

 

Maybe I'm way too optimistic, but I believe this hole thing has "DLC" written allover it.

 

Is that a likely scenario? What do you think on the issue of Hawke and if you like also the Warden in the Fade?

 

 

 

You see the person you leave behind die, like actually die and liyng on the ground 



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What I don't get is why you didn't kill the spider in the first place. There is no reason why the Inquisitor ran off when she never once backed down from any fight before.


Yeah exactly. That whole cutscene I was going wtf!? I'll slay that thing right now!

Let me at em! Let me at em!
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