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[fhs33721]

What I don't get is why you didn't kill the spider in the first place. There is no reason why the Inquisitor ran off when she never once backed down from any fight before.

Probably because that thing is too powerful? After all it has been feeding of the fear of all of Thedas for centuries and a mere aspect of it was alredy able to put up a decent fight against the Inquisitor, Hawke, Loghain/Alistair/Stroud and 3 companions.

Trying to fight the main form of that thing should probably end like this:

 

Arachnophobes please refrain from cklicking the spoiler button.

Spoiler

 

[hound740]

maybe hawke comes out a darkspawn

[Assassino01]

The way I figure it they added the "likely" thing as a "just in case" thing, since there are 4 potential deaths there, and 3 of those are major characters in the setting. Should they find the need to bring one of those back like they did with Leliana they've covered their backs, and added the possibility of a quite cool mission: Rescue X from the fade mission. 

[Caddius]

What I don't get is that the inquisitor can open rifts to the fade at will. Why not just go back to adamant, open a rift, put foot to giant spider ass and rescue the person who got left behind?

The spirit stunned Nightmare so that we only have to fight its Aspect. It's implied that whoever gets left behind only has a shot at slowing it down for a few seconds.

Basically, Nightmare is one big, badass, hardcore demon.   I doubt even Corypheus could beat it in a straight fight. And I got the impression that the Inquisitor opened up the Rift to the Fade on sheer instinct and panic, and they haven't refined any of the Anchor's powers beyond, 'Rift, go shut!'

[Rawgrim]

Dead.

[Sepewrath]

Pretty good chance Hawke would survive, the hole was left open for them to survive. However, I wouldn't count on it too much, left behind Hawkes will likely just be gone.

[Luckyanna]

The Inquisitor barely knows Alistair an didn't romance him.

 

While you know Hawke and worked with Hawke much more and Hawke was much more useful to the Inquisition as well as a popular figure known throughout all of Thedas. While Warden Alistair? A nobody of low ranking.

 

Well, the Inquisitor does get a letter from the romanced HoF telling, nay, imploring them to keep Alistair safe. And surely, Alistair is not a nobody. He's one of the senior wardens and a hero of the Blight. Even though it's been 10 years, it still counts for something. And should the Inquisitor choose to let the Wardens stay in Orlais, he's a great candidate to lead them. Hawke on the other hand is rather infamous if anything, and I doubt they are as popular and well-loved as the person who actually helped to stop the Blight.

[Ferocious7]

LOL.... how can someone save Loghain?  HELL NO.   The ONLY reason in any of my Dragon Age playthroughs I've EVER saved Loghain was to feed him to the ArchDemon and let my Warden walk away with a smile.  If he were still alive, I'd not only leave him in the Fade I'd throw dust in his eyes and kick him down the hill as we escaped.

[errantknight]

It's good to know that Alistair was the one with Hawke in the fade in the trailers. It would be a hard choice for me as well but If I import a warden Alistair I'll have to use a default looking Hawke and customize his actions to be really bad then I'll have no problem feeding him to old Blinky

Lol! That's what I did--made a Hawke so different from mine there was no recognition as it being the same person.

[errantknight]

Pretty good chance Hawke would survive, the hole was left open for them to survive. However, I wouldn't count on it too much, left behind Hawkes will likely just be gone.

Ok, wait, what does this mean? You just said there was a pretty good chance he/she lived and will likely just be gone. How would we know the difference?

[Luckyanna]

How would we know the difference?

 

The power of headcanon?

[SofaJockey]

Did you see the body?  Then he isn't dead.  Video game rule #1

 

Did you see the body?

 

Yes?

 

Then he is only probably dead.

 

Video game rule # 2

[Arakat]

Lol! That's what I did--made a Hawke so different from mine there was no recognition as it being the same person.

 

Hah, I just made Alistair marry Anora It's a bit of a shame, since I'm pretty fond of Anora ruling alone, and Alistair's content as a Warden is awesome, but I don't want to change or sacrifice my Hawke, either... Unless this thread is onto something.

[Captmorgan72]

LOL.... how can someone save Loghain?  HELL NO.   The ONLY reason in any of my Dragon Age playthroughs I've EVER saved Loghain was to feed him to the ArchDemon and let my Warden walk away with a smile.  If he were still alive, I'd not only leave him in the Fade I'd throw dust in his eyes and kick him down the hill as we escaped.

You save Loghain to sentence him to the life of a warden. What Teyrn did at Ostagar was unforgivable. I've seen other players defend him, saying that he was just trying to save what remained of the army and that he knew it was a hopeless battle. That is all bs. The battle plan was his, he designed it and executed it. The bulk of the Ferelden army was with him. The smaller was with Duncan, Alistair and the hero of Ferelden. Teyrn even could have had the Orlesian army with him, the largest and most powerful in Thedas, but his pride and hatred towards them prevented that from happening. He wanted the wardens and Alistair to die. He set them up with that battleplan of his. Despite all of this, he really is one of the best if not the best field commander that Ferelden has ever had. So his skills should not be thrown away. If he survived the joining, and he did, he would make an outstanding grey warden and serve his life sentence as one of them. When you see him again in Inquisition as a senior warden, you will be shocked how much he has changed. I always killed him in Origins, but started another character with a world state that has Loghain alive. I think that its fitting that the man that hated and killed so many wardens would be the man that would save the order and rebuild them. In a way Loghain mirrors the bible's Saul of Tarsus. 

[errantknight]

Hah, I just made Alistair marry Anora It's a bit of a shame, since I'm pretty fond of Anora ruling alone, and Alistair's content as a Warden is awesome, but I don't want to change or sacrifice my Hawke, either... Unless this thread is onto something.

Already did my personal 'canon' runthrough--Alistair ruling alone--so this time Alistair had to be a warden for that awesome content. Heh.

[Ashagar]

(The Darkspawn DLC is pretty fun, I recommend it!)

 

Here's my resume for the writing team:

 

Instead of being a Kill Bill-style mission, you assemble a strike team to go back into the Fade and pull out whoever you left behind. Since you could have left someone from DAO or someone from DA2 in there, your strike team is comprised of companions from both games. Dorian is the character who suggests it - he's been going through Alexius' old notes, and he thinks he's figured out a way to manipulate time so you can show up right before whoever you left dies. 

 

You play as Varric - either to go save Hawke, or at the request of Hawke, who can't abide the thought of a Warden dying to save them. 

 

Your companion options are: 

 

- Bethany/Carver

- Anders/Fenris

- Alistair/Loghain

- Recruit Blackwall

- Nathaniel Howe

- Oghren

- Zevran (he's doing this as a favor to Alistair/the Hero of Fereldan/Morrigan)

- Dog

 

Objective #1: You first have to figure out a way to get into the Fade in a "let's not destroy the world" kind of way, and Varric takes you to Merrill, who, with Morrigan, helps you get into the Fade. 

 

Then you have to fight through various levels of the Fade. You come to a Pride demon who aaaaalmost kills you, before the spirit of Wynne shows up, saves your bacon (like she did so many times in Origins), and tells you the secret to defeating the Nightmare Demon. 

 

The DLC ends with you pulling Hawke/the Warden out of the Fade and into the chaos of Weisshaupt Fortress. 

 

Only for it to turn out that the nightmare demon was using hawk or the warden as a meat puppet and now you just set it loose on the world without knowing it? It seems to be a common theme in DLCs for dragon age. The dwarf laboratory DLC ends with more harvesters swarming out of the complex after you leave, Corypheus escapes as Hawke gives him what he wants without knowing it. Talis succeeds in her mission which likely isn't good for anyone outside of the Qun...

[Cha0sEff3ct]

I left Hawke, and I honestly think that's the "correct" choice. 

 

I have a pretty crazy theory about why this is so. 

 

See, after I finished the game, and got the endgame cutscene, I got really curious about the time Flemeth appeared in Dragon Age II. So I hunted down a video of her. 

 

 

The really important part comes at 3:43

 

"Destiny awaits us both, dear boy. We have much to do. Before I go, a word of advice? We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the Abyss. Watch for that moment, and when it comes... do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly."

 

The name of this whole quest in Inquisition? Here Lies the Abyss. Hmm, I think the writers are trying to tell me something.... 

 

So Flemeth is giving Hawke a prophecy not for anything which happens in DAII - she's telling Hawke that when s/he's in the Abyss, s/he should leap and risk falling. 

 

What I would *really* like to do is get a bunch of people together who have played Aggresive Hawke, Diplomatic Hawke, etc, and compare their animations if they are left in the Fade. Because, after all, Flemeth only said "whether" you can fly, and I'd love to see if there's a difference in a Hawke who could survive the Fade versus one who gave into fear and died. 

 

Interesting I have to look back at DA2. Can you import a Hawke personality? We are forced to use the keep which picks only certain decisions from the game. I did watch a video of another hawke being sarcastic when asking the Divine if she's real or not. When I was in the fade he was more reverent to her. However I think it depends on what your Inquisitor says. I chose the top option while the video I watched chose the second option. I think Hawke will just emulate your inquisitor's demeanor unless I'm wrong.

[ZerebusPrime]

I want to emphasize that if anyone can defeat the sum of all people's fears, it's someone who embodies the sum of all people's idea of a vanquisher of fears, i.e. a Champion.  This is the Fade, after all.  Ideas are made manifest.

 

 

 

 

By comparison, Stroud is toast.

[errantknight]

Well this is interesting, yeah...

It also has to be noted that Alistair's track record in the fade isn't a good one. There are things he longs for enough to make him suceptible. He's a more cynical fellow now and I think he hopes for less, but I think Hawke is still better equiped to deal with demons--especially if they've truly retconned away Alistair's templar abilities, the idea of which pisses me off to no end.

[Ferocious7]

You save Loghain to sentence him to the life of a warden. What Teyrn did at Ostagar was unforgivable. I've seen other players defend him, saying that he was just trying to save what remained of the army and that he knew it was a hopeless battle. That is all bs. The battle plan was his, he designed it and executed it. The bulk of the Ferelden army was with him. The smaller was with Duncan, Alistair and the hero of Ferelden. Teyrn even could have had the Orlesian army with him, the largest and most powerful in Thedas, but his pride and hatred towards them prevented that from happening. He wanted the wardens and Alistair to die. He set them up with that battleplan of his. Despite all of this, he really is one of the best if not the best field commander that Ferelden has ever had. So his skills should not be thrown away. If he survived the joining, and he did, he would make an outstanding grey warden and serve his life sentence as one of them. When you see him again in Inquisition as a senior warden, you will be shocked how much he has changed. I always killed him in Origins, but started another character with a world state that has Loghain alive. I think that its fitting that the man that hated and killed so many wardens would be the man that would save the order and rebuild them. In a way Loghain mirrors the bible's Saul of Tarsus. 

 

Wrong.  His skills were worth throwing away given there were plenty of other extremely skillful warriors who could replace him.   His treachery made him untrustworthy regardless of "sentencing" him to the Grey Wardens.  Many viewed being a Grey Warden as a high honor, not as a sentence.   The only reason I had ever sentenced him to such was in order to manipulate the world into a better place --- one in which the Hero of Ferelden could live on without the use of unknown, suspicious magic nor with sacrificing anyone else who was even more valuable whom proved time and time again to actually be trustworthy (Alistair). 

I did prefer to kill Loghain at the meeting, however if he was to have any sort of reconciliation for his heinous crimes regardless of his warped reasoning which didn't help a thing anyway, it was to be in sacrifice versus the ArchDemon. 

You could build your Dragon Age world however you like, but out of the options given --- Loghain makes an ideal sacrifice.

[MiyuEmi]

I think, maybe, that if the DLC does centre around that after credits scene, you are dealing with a character with a heavy fade influence.  This would mean that it was likely that the individual you left in the fade can be either rescued of killed in the fade by your character if that is the DLC focus.  If the after credits scene has nothing to do with DLC (unlikely), I would have to guess that Hawke/the Warden is likely going to die or remain presumed dead in the fade. 

[Sarahthewriter]

Leaving Hawke in the fade was the hardest decision I've had to make so far. I cried the whole time as I escaped the fade, when Varric asked about Hawke and then some more when my inquisitor hugged Varric. (Yes I'm a sook ) I literally just finished this quest tonight and came on here to see if there is a possibility of her living. I can't even imagine how Fenris will react when he receive's the news from Varric's letter.  But it was either her or Alistair and I just couldn't do that to my dalish warden because they're in love and she's my favourite hero.

 

I really hope that Hawke escapes in dlc and then she and Fenris reunite  An idealist can dream right....right....? *leaves to torture self with videos of Hawke/Fenris romance*

[Luckyanna]

Leaving Hawke in the fade was the hardest decision I've had to make so far. I cried the whole time as I escaped the fade, when Varric asked about Hawke and then some more when my inquisitor hugged Varric. (Yes I'm a sook ) I literally just finished this quest tonight and came on here to see if there is a possibility of her living. I can't even imagine how Fenris will react when he receive's the news from Varric's letter.  But it was either her or Alistair and I just couldn't do that to my dalish warden because they're in love and she's my favourite hero.

This is almost exactly my story, except that my canon Hawke romance is Anders and my Warden is a human mage. I remember sitting there in front of my laptop saying 'nonono please don't make me do this' for good five minutes before finally make the choice. And then you get that Varric conversation. And his card changes. At least you get to hug him . And adding insult to injury, right afterwards I went to the War Table and I got a letter from Sebastian asking for help in conquering Kirkwall! Sure enough, I told that bastard to suck it and helped Aveline instead.

[Draining Dragon]

Hawke is probably going to uselessly faff about in the Fade until he stumbles into the Black City and unleashes something worse than the Darkspawn Taint.