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[Luckyanna]

Come to think of it, I'd say the reason they've put in 'likely' in there is because someone does get to survive, while all the others don't and they didn't want to give you a choice between 'this person will definitely die' and 'this person will definitely live'.

[ThreeF]

Come to think of it, I'd say the reason they've put in 'likely' in there is because someone does get to survive, while all the others don't and they didn't want to give you a choice between 'this person will definitely die' and 'this person will definitely live'.

Could be. It's a good way to wrap up the stories of Warden Alistair/Loghain/Stroud and to limit the branching.

[TurretSyndrome]

Hawke is still alive but is now reliving his mother's death every second, until you go back in and rescue him(DLC).

[CVigilantia]

 

(The Darkspawn DLC is pretty fun, I recommend it!)

 

Here's my resume for the writing team:

 

Instead of being a Kill Bill-style mission, you assemble a strike team to go back into the Fade and pull out whoever you left behind. Since you could have left someone from DAO or someone from DA2 in there, your strike team is comprised of companions from both games. Dorian is the character who suggests it - he's been going through Alexius' old notes, and he thinks he's figured out a way to manipulate time so you can show up right before whoever you left dies. 

 

You play as Varric - either to go save Hawke, or at the request of Hawke, who can't abide the thought of a Warden dying to save them. 

 

Your companion options are: 

 

- Bethany/Carver

- Anders/Fenris

- Alistair/Loghain

- Recruit Blackwall

- Nathaniel Howe

- Oghren

- Zevran (he's doing this as a favor to Alistair/the Hero of Fereldan/Morrigan)

- Dog

 

Objective #1: You first have to figure out a way to get into the Fade in a "let's not destroy the world" kind of way, and Varric takes you to Merrill, who, with Morrigan, helps you get into the Fade. 

 

Then you have to fight through various levels of the Fade. You come to a Pride demon who aaaaalmost kills you, before the spirit of Wynne shows up, saves your bacon (like she did so many times in Origins), and tells you the secret to defeating the Nightmare Demon. 

 

The DLC ends with you pulling Hawke/the Warden out of the Fade and into the chaos of Weisshaupt Fortress. 

 

 

Of course, it'll be a dangerous near suicide mission, but since a lot of your companions have connections to Hawke/the Warden they'll partake in it. Before the mission, you'll get to learn your companion's strengths and weakeness, and if you pick the wrong companion to do a job they'll die (or cause another companion to die). In the end, they'll fight and wound the Nightmare (who is now voiced by Keith Szarabajka in the DLC) while rescuing Hawke/Warden.

 

As they retreat from the massive spider demon and it's collapsing Fade dungeon, it screams out for vengeance. "Tethras! You've changed nothing. You have only received the ire of that which is your greater. We will force upon you your salvation through destruction. Your Inquisition has failed. We will find another way."

 

Varric has to jump, but because he's a dwarf he misses the portal at the edge of a rapidly disintegrating cliff. However, the highest approval companion pulls you through.

 

Then it shows the big reveal where Dumat was actually real and leading Corypheus.

 

Cullen: Ah yes, Dumat. We have dismissed that claim.

[Han Shot First]

Hawke surviving against Nightmare would turn him/her into a Mary Sue, IMO. 

 

That thing was well beyond the abilities of the entire group, let alone Hawke on his/her own. I think whoever gets left behind should die in the Fade. Having said that, being aided in the Fade by the ghost of whoever you left behind in the next game could be interesting.

[nagisa-aoi87]

Ok. Why not?

Come on, Bioware would have planned that all along since DA2 ?? To be honest I hope you're right but I seriously doubt that that's what writers had in mind. Hawke is probably dead but even if she survives, Bioware woud probably screw up that great character

[EmissaryofLies]

Hawke goes SuperSaiyan and fights her way out of the fade.

 

What is there to speculate?

[Brockololly]

They pretty clearly worded that choice the way they did to give themselves an out should they ever want to bring Hawke or Loghain/Stroud/Alistair back. I got the feeling with a lot of the "choices" in DA:I that in just about every one they've given themselves an out or an easy way to write around them in the future.

[Lebanese Dude]

Come on, Bioware would have planned that all along since DA2 ?? To be honest I hope you're right but I seriously doubt that that's what writers had in mind. Hawke is probably dead but even if she survives, Bioware woud probably screw up that great character

The entire DA premise is finished. It only gets tweaked over time. Details are added per game.

So yes, DAIs general story was written before DAO was released. It was just not precise.

[Whisperstory]

I had the exact same issue as

 

I had to decide between Alistair and Hawke and my warden was with Alistair so the decision was very difficult. First I left my Hawke in the fade because I thought that she could survive there better than Alistair but after that my Inquisitor was sure that whoever was left behind was dead. So I decided to leave Alistair behind because I wanted my Hawke have a future with Fenris and Alistair had less years than my Hawke because he is a grey warden. So I'm hoping that I can save Alistair in a dlc so that my warden can be with him. I have no idea how likely that is but there is hope! Because I tried to find some information how to save them both and I couldn't find and it was very weird that the one who is left behind will likely die rather than will die.

and personally, I think it would be AMAZING If they made a DLC where a character (maybe Morrigan, or whichever character left with the Inquisitor, idk) went back and rescued the companion.  Like that would be priceless to me.  Because not knowing is almost as terrible as the character dying, and I really really hate the thought of the Warden being left alone without Alistair, or Fenris without Hawke. I mean, they worked so hard, too hard, just to die in the Fade....

[Korva]

I definitely want the person left behind to be dead and gone and not come back. There's too much smooth sailing as it is -- if the only sad/setback/sacrifice moment in the whole game aside from the destruction of Haven (which is a fantastic story arc, IMO, but all the death there is impersonal and has no impact unless you care for Chancellor Roderick's redemption) is handwaved out of existence, it'll be beyond pathetic. And, as Han Shot First said, surviving a solo attack on the Nightmare's true form would also be stupendously ridiculous.

 

I want more sacrifices and setbacks, not less. I want death to have more of an impact, not less. If people keep bouncing back from explicit or implied deaths, what's the point in even pretending there's any loss or drama to it?

[KaiserShep]

I had the exact same issue as

 

and personally, I think it would be AMAZING If they made a DLC where a character (maybe Morrigan, or whichever character left with the Inquisitor, idk) went back and rescued the companion.  Like that would be priceless to me.  Because not knowing is almost as terrible as the character dying, and I really really hate the thought of the Warden being left alone without Alistair, or Fenris without Hawke. I mean, they worked so hard, too hard, just to die in the Fade....

 

Only thing is, I cannot fathom a reason why any of these characters would be invested in saving Stroud lol. It would be sad and hilarious if such a mission existed in the future, only it wasn't available if Stroud was in the Fade because no one cared. 

[MattH]

If Hawke survives the fade, I don't think they'll come away from it as they were. 

 

My Hawke would happily make a deal with a demon to get out...so I'd like to see that option 

[In Exile]

Only thing is, I cannot fathom a reason why any of these characters would be invested in saving Stroud lol. It would be sad and hilarious if such a mission existed in the future, only it wasn't available if Stroud was in the Fade because no one cared. 

 

Frankly I don't see why anyone would care about Alistair or Loghain, either. I suppose you could argue that Morrigan would want to save the possible father of her child in the female HOF version, but even that's a bit of a stretch. And honestly even wanting to save Hawke is pretty tenuous besides as a favour to Varric. 

[KaiserShep]

Frankly I don't see why anyone would care about Alistair or Loghain, either. I suppose you could argue that Morrigan would want to save the possible father of her child in the female HOF version, but even that's a bit of a stretch. And honestly even wanting to save Hawke is pretty tenuous besides as a favour to Varric. 

 

The mission to save Loghain can star her biggest supporter: Threnn.

[Darkstarr11]

It was recently stated that Hawke is alive...though I don't remember if it meant if they were left behind, or if they went to the Wardens.  Still, either way, I don't see Hawke walking out unchanged.  At best, damaged.  At worst, possessed.  Heroic sacrifices come at a cost.  How high is this cost going to be for poor Hawke?

 

And I DON'T think we've seen the last of the Nightmare either...yup, that'll help you sleep at night...

[dekkerd]

It was recently stated that Hawke is alive...though I don't remember if it meant if they were left behind, or if they went to the Wardens.  Still, either way, I don't see Hawke walking out unchanged.  At best, damaged.  At worst, possessed.  Heroic sacrifices come at a cost.  How high is this cost going to be for poor Hawke?
 
And I DON'T think we've seen the last of the Nightmare either...yup, that'll help you sleep at night...

Hawke managed to find his way out, and retired to the entertaining life as an arena announcer in Meereen.

[Heimdall]

Way I see it, if Hawke or the warden survives, it will be because the Nightmare has captured them instead and is torturing them mentally and physically in reality bending ways even as the Inquisition pats itself on the back for defeating Corypheus.

[Ariella]

Way I see it, if Hawke or the warden survives, it will be because the Nightmare has captured them instead and is torturing them mentally and physically in reality bending ways even as the Inquisition pats itself on the back for defeating Corypheus.

 

This is why we can't have nice things...

[TheDovah]

Basically, Hawke turns into Super Mecha Hawke and we all **** our drawers. Sure, an Ancient Darkspawn is one thing but a former Bioware Protaganist!? **** THAT! I rather fight an army of Archdemons. At least, they die. A possessed Hawke, he could kick our arses.

 

Joking aside, it's a get out of jail free card for Bioware although they did have Hawke collapse. I do hate how a Mage Hawke uses his staff to attack the Nightmare as if he was swinging a sword. Why not the giant hands that he is known to summon? Surely, they could have gotten away with Mage Hawke beating the Nightmare up with the giant hands before being defeated.

[Darkstarr11]

This is why we can't have nice things...

 

Or happy endings...  ...but if we had a happy ending, it wouldn't be Bioware.

[Ariella]

Or happy endings...  ...but if we had a happy ending, it wouldn't be Bioware.

 

I've bee trying to find the blasted AoS meme with Fitzsimmons through S1 and S2. I think that perfectly parallels what I'm feeling at this moment.

 

It could only be worse if they kill off the person who went to Weisshaupt at the same time.

 

Bioware, that is NOT a suggestion!

[King Killoth]

I left loghain in the fade as it seemed like a moment of redemption for him. sacrifice his life for the good of all of thedas. he was made a gray warden as a punishment this was his final penance for his deeds. hawke is a champion and I wish he was there for the final battle but I guess he has more important stuff to do up north with the rest of the wardens.but I like to think that hawke went home to be with meril and father some half breed kids.