But those left behind would be in circles that still have templars there....and needless to say, the venatori arent getting to those tranquil
My impression of the game was that the venatori was taking tranquil from when they met up with the rebel mages since the rebels are a ready source of tranquil since the only other method would be to randomly walk around southern Thedas and run into some...
correct me if I'm wrong but most of the templar order by that time had also went rogue in the name of mage hunting, hadn't they? There's no indication they would stay behind and protect the tranquils. I find it hard to believe they would. "Good" templars are rare, most of them don't even see mages as people.
I thought that Ocularums are some old crap considering that Lost Temple you find.
But those left behind would be in circles that still have templars there....and needless to say, the venatori arent getting to those tranquil
You do realize that almost the entire templar order abondoned the circles and the chantry in order to hunt down the rebellig mages, do you?
They could ofcourse have just made one portable ocularum.
But why kill one tranquil when you can kill them all?
It does make sense if you read the codex. The one you get in the hut with all the skulls suggests that the shards had previously been masked in some other way. The creation of the oculara is a new method to find the shards that was not in use originally.
A codex entry in JoH also suggests that the previous Hakkonites were allowed to find the shards by Hakkon himself.
The shards are old crap, but the oculara are not.
Portable ocularum! Alexius laughs with the rest of the venatori and facepalm in unison ... oops
You do realize that almost the entire templar order abondoned the circles and the chantry in order to hunt down the rebellig mages, do you?
I don't think that's true though...
The inquisition gets the majority of the surviving templars that aren't made Red Templars if you do the templar route which means that the templar roaming the countryside can't be the majority of the templars.
You know what really botheres me? The Venatori put some serious effort into making these oculari and setting them up all over southern Thedas and then they don't even try to hunt for the shards themselves. What happend?
Did they just say. Oh no, that shard is on top of a somewhat steep hill! We can't possibly walk up there. Let's go report our failure to the elder one. He wil probably feed us to his dragon as punishment but I just can't possibly be bothered to walk up a steep hill instead.
Templars were responsible for protecting the Circle, which included normal mages and tranquil. When they broke with the Chantry and went off in pursuit of the rebel mages, they effectively abandoned the tranquil. So the tranquil were left to fend for themselves. Some of them may have gravitated to Redcliffe when the mages were invited there by the monarch, as with the guy we met. Others may have been taken in by their local Chantry. Most were probably just left to wander the countryside without protection. Easy pickings for the Venatori.
The mages also had a responsibility for the tranquil since they were the main source of wealth for the Circles but mages tend to feel uncomfortable with tranquil around so would be reluctant to have them tag along. So unless they do restore the rite of tranquillity, which is unlikely considering it was one of the main flash points that led to the rebellion, the new Circle is going to be a lot less well off than it used to be.
If you go the templar route, you get those templars from Therinfall. Therinfall is the headquarters of the templars who abandoned their duties. Mother Hevara or whatever her name is says that a majority of templars left the Chantry and that those that remain can scarcely be called an order anymore. The ones that abandoned their duties either joined with the Lord Seeker or went off in the countryside to kill rebel mages.
The war table also mentions that the templars that remained at Hasmal are the largest faction of unaligned templars left.
Templar Order is a military order, where subordinates obey their superiors. Circle mages have leaders, but you don't swear any oaths to obey orders and a mage isn't breaking any oaths by abandoning the Enchanters.
There were Templars that did stay in their Circles in order to protect the mages and tranquil. We see this in an Operation where the Templars, unaffiliated with the rogue Templars or rebel mages, stayed in their Circle to protect the mages who wanted to stay. Even when mobs formed outside the Circle, the Templars kept vigil.
There were many Templars that stayed loyal, just as there were many mages who stayed with the Circle. However, unlike the rebel mages, rogue Templars did swear themselves to the Order and couldn't just up and leave like many rebel mages left Fiona. Well, some did, but they were either crazy, thought of something greater than their oaths, or just didn't care about vows.
I don't think that's true though...
The inquisition gets the majority of the surviving templars that aren't made Red Templars if you do the templar route which means that the templar roaming the countryside can't be the majority of the templars.
What are you talking about? The timeline is the following:
1. Mages rebell and flee from circles.
2. The whole templar order declares independence from the chantry and leaves the circles to hunt down the mages.
3. Mage-templar war rages on. Mages gather at Redcliffe. Hinterlands become a battle field.
4. Divine Justina calls both mages and Templars to the conclave.
5. Conclave blows up.
6. Surviving mages hole up in Redcliffe. Surviving templars regroup at Therinfals Redbout under the command of Envy.
7. Small splinter groups of both mages and templars continue to fight each other and terrorize the commoners in the Hinterlands.
So yeah both the templars and mages (with a few exceptions like Minaeve and some templars in Hasmal) left the circles and most likely quite a few remaining Tranquil behind before DAI even started.
More pointedly the Majority of the templar order broke with the chantry to hunt down the mages with some exceptions while nearly half the mages instead of joining the rebellion became the loyalist faction or went into hiding because the rebel mage fraternities tried to murder the loyalist and neutral fraternities which is why even if you go the mage route there are major tensions amoungst the mages after the end of the game and in some cases talk of secret wars between the mages.
No matter the decision in Inquisition, post-Breach, there are far fewer Templars and the tension is now between the College and Circle.
The mages started their infighting from the start, and sadly the Tranquil were the ones to suffer the most.
(as a side note, it seems we are going to Tevinter so the question may not be answered right away, but I am curious as to how the devs will explain how the College is run without the Chantry telling the nations to leave the mages alone? Is the new Circle still tied to the Chantry?)
Vivienne comments that she had hoped that the Tranquil had been cared for and is sad/angry that the rebels failed to do so.
The templars had a responsibility to protect all mages, tranquil included. But when the rebels decided to dissolve the circles that should have meant they were prepared to take care of themselves, tranquil included. Fiona failed on a pretty epic level by abandoning the tranquil and then selling fully functional mages to Tevinter.
Also remember that one of Samson's few redeeming features is that he rescues Maddox the Tranquil. Cullen says he guessed Maddox ended up begging on the street so sounds like even he wasn't doing much to protect them after DA2.
More pointedly the Majority of the templar order broke with the chantry to hunt down the mages with some exceptions while nearly half the mages instead of joining the rebellion became the loyalist faction or went into hiding because the rebel mage fraternities tried to murder the loyalist and neutral fraternities which is why even if you go the mage route there are major tensions amoungst the mages after the end of the game and in some cases talk of secret wars between the mages.
The specifics of the mage-templar war and the mage-mage civil war seemed fuzzy on details in-game IMO. If you recruit the rebel mages Fionna and Viv should have at least had a scene together if loyalists and rebels had been killing each other.
If nearly half the mages were loyalists why couldn't they help close the damn breach as an option instead of risking a special ops mission against Alexius? Would have been nice to work with loyalists to stop the breach threat instead rebel mages and separatist templars dumb enough to agree to be Tevinter servants and red lyrium drug puppets.
And poor Cory never gets credit during the game for being the one to stop the mage-templar war by recruiting both factions. Rebel mages and Venatori servants and templars as red lyrium drug puppets.
The vote to dissolve the circles was just over half but all of those who voted against didn't break off to join the Loyalists. When you go to Redcliffe you can talk to a few mages around town and a couple of them didn't support dissolution but didn't feel like they could leave what was probably the largest group.
We know from the war table that at least one circle stayed put in their tower, a few like Rhys & Evangeline struck off on their own, and some became militant (ones in Hinterlands and Wending Wood). I got the feeling that Vivienne's group was fairly small, probably not enough to close the breach.
I wonder if all those veilfire torches had similar methods of creation?
They also make really creepy whispers. I hate carrying them for too long, it gets to your head 
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