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[MICHELLE7]

steve1945 wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

JudgeQwerty wrote...

Where the heck do we get Malaysian from?

I'd like to know that myself.

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He talks about his mother or grandmother being in the original spill which happened over Malaysia and somewhere else.

So he is either Malaysian or Somewherelsian

Okay, I see...because he was exposed in utero in Singapore. I thought at the time his father was still military and  only stationed there...not a native. They only went to Canada after his dad retired.  Nevertheless, I think he may be part Asian...he looks like it in the eyes. Perhaps from his mother. Always thought the name Alenko sounded kind of Russian. Perhaps his name points to a mix...Kaidan means Ghost Story in Japanese. Asian/Russian mix? somewhere along those lines.

Modifié par MICHELLE7, 26 janvier 2010 - 02:41 .

[hanmul]

MICHELLE7 wrote...
Kaidan means Ghost Story in Japanese. Asian/Russian mix? somewhere along those lines.

It's Kaiden not Kaidan.

You're saying Eastern Asian eats rice which sounds like lice.. so they are lice eater. NO!



Kaiden is derived from Arabic word Kaden, meaning companion.

Kai (鬼 ghost) Dan (談 story) is different story.

Modifié par hanmul, 26 janvier 2010 - 02:50 .

[Unato]

u know we have nothing better to do when we start breaking down the names of squad mates



aish the 28th cannot come fast enough _-_

[CannonO]

As far as I have been told, Orientals can be offensive, but to most it is at least not polite.

[MICHELLE7]

hanmul wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...
Kaidan means Ghost Story in Japanese. Asian/Russian mix? somewhere along those lines.

It's Kaiden not Kaidan.

You're saying Eastern Asian eats rice which sounds like lice.. so they are lice eater. NO!



Kaiden is derived from Arabic word Kaden, meaning companion.

Kai (鬼 ghost) Dan (談 story) is different story.

My information is taken from the Mass Effect Wiki masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Kaidan_Alenko 

and is name is indeed Kaidan. You can even find that on the character page of this website.masseffect.bioware.com/universe/characters/kaidan/

[Kileyan]

This is ridiculous. all these posts about the word oriental.



I live in community largely comprised of Chinese refugees that fled China during the late 70's. They are very nice people and I've gotten to know them well. We discussed this exact thing a few years ago when on another message board someone accused someone of racist remarks because they used the word oriental rather than asian. I discussed it with a few neighbors in case I was using words badly and didn't know it.



Here is the answer I got. Both are the same, they reflect someone who never bothered to know where they were from, both terms might reflect ignorance but they are not inherently insulting. If they hear the words asian, oriental or any combination they don't hear insults, they just hear someone that doesn't know the difference. They then laughed and said how could they complain, they barely care to know the difference between peoples origins in the US, its all the same to them, just like others think China is all the same.



Now they are very proud of the region of China they grew up in, and have centuries of history in. They'd be more insulted by people assuming all Chinese are the same.

[hanmul]

MICHELLE7

perhaps I'm the one who's misunderstanding.. 

[Niorcs]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

hanmul wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...
Kaidan means Ghost Story in Japanese. Asian/Russian mix? somewhere along those lines.

It's Kaiden not Kaidan.

You're saying Eastern Asian eats rice which sounds like lice.. so they are lice eater. NO!



Kaiden is derived from Arabic word Kaden, meaning companion.

Kai (鬼 ghost) Dan (談 story) is different story.

My information is taken from the Mass Effect Wiki masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Kaidan_Alenko 

and is name is indeed Kaidan. You can even find that on the character page of this website.masseffect.bioware.com/universe/characters/kaidan/

1. Wikis are editted by people- a common majority can edit something and make it 'true.'

2. In press, his name was spelt both ways.

[Unato]

http://masseffect.bi...racters/kaidan/



less QQ then ppl

[The Demonologist]

steve1945 wrote...

The Demonologist wrote...

steve1945 wrote...

I find it odd that oriental is considered offensive. I mean im white. I dont care if people call me white. Or anglo saxon. If I was black I wouldnt mind being called black. Of african. If I was asian I wouldnt mind being called asian. or oriental. The Orient is all of the Asian nations. Why not say oriental? It holds no negatives I can see.


That being said I put absolutely no stock in political correctness and actually go out of my way to be non pc. I cant stand political correctness. I guess im just a close minded bigot

I don't like it when people call me African. I'm not African. I'm Black(or African American if it makes you nervous. ;O)

Oriental has been used in a negative context quite a bit. It's an 'archaic' term, and we might as well use asian.

Well Id call you black then. Though I dont see why you would say youre not African. Its your homeland. Thats one of the reasons I have no problem being called anglo saxon, or Germanic. I come from Prussia and I am proud of that. I look at its beauty and acomplishments and I am reminded that I am from a wonderful place.

It's a bit more complicated than that. Black culture in America is distinct from African culture. (with exceptions where people attempted to revive 'traditional' African practices amongst us) while you can certainly see the roots of culture, as two different things we like to maintain a separate identity. I don't want to be African, because African is not what I am, literally, or culturally. I'm African-American. Black. Culturally, and literally.


Think of it this way. If your family was brought over here, and told to start anew culturally, you'd come up with something different. It'll definitely be similar to what was had in Prussia, but it won't be prussian. Generations later, would you appreciate what you feel is unique being told its simply the same as something elsewhere? That the cultural identity you've worked hard to create should simply be absorbed into what it is that you come from?

I'm by no means a scholar, but its a deeper issue than it seems. And certainly would deserve its own discussion.

[MICHELLE7]

Niorcs wrote...



1. Wikis are editted by people- a common majority can edit something and make it 'true.'

2. In press, his name was spelt both ways.

True but the only thing I took from the Wiki was that the meaning of Kaidan (in Japanese)  translated Ghost Story which is just an interesting little fact that was added to the site which is true. All you have to do is google for the Japanese meaning of the name. 

Press or not...and not that it matters but Bioware lists him as Kaidan on the website.

[DJStarstryker]

Just make an Asian Shepard. It's not that hard. Mine's a bit Asian looking...

[hanmul]

DJStarstryker wrote...

Just make an Asian Shepard. It's not that hard. Mine's a bit Asian looking...

Osama bin Laden is Asian, does your character have a mustache?
I'm just kidding 

[drhelio212]

DJStarstryker wrote...

Just make an Asian Shepard. It's not that hard. Mine's a bit Asian looking...

My Shepard looks French, maybe with a mix of Antarctican. Darn screwy modern-day terms. They throw everyone off. Aren't we all human? Huh? Huh!?

[drhelio212]

Double post... sorry. <_<

Modifié par drhelio212, 26 janvier 2010 - 03:22 .

[hanmul]

drhelio212 wrote...
Double post... sorry. <_<

That's ok.

It's funny I was just thinking about new alien species(doppelganger)
who can use their ability to do double damage and avoid attacks when you did it.

[Jump ZER0]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Niorcs wrote...



1. Wikis are editted by people- a common majority can edit something and make it 'true.'

2. In press, his name was spelt both ways.

True but the only thing I took from the Wiki was that the meaning of Kaidan (in Japanese)  translated Ghost Story which is just an interesting little fact that was added to the site which is true. All you have to do is google for the Japanese meaning of the name. 

Press or not...and not that it matters but Bioware lists him as Kaidan on the website.

It is spelled kaidan but in game its prenounced kay-den which in other words means its not a japanese name I would know I'm japanese:ph34r:

[Bann Duncan]

verskk wrote...

Isn't "orientals" an offensive term?

How can OP be that concerned
and still use offensive terminology?

Not at all. Oriental simply means Eastern, so it is used in the UK for East Asians whilst 'Asian' is used for Indians and such.

[Bann Duncan]

FoxyGrandpa wrote...

hanmul wrote...

I mean't playable orientals..


No it isn't offensive term.
I don't get offended neither do my friends around.
(Do you?)

Technically it is an offensive term. Oriental means backwards but many people say oriental because they are on opposite sides of the world. WE dont mean it in a bad way but it is sometimes taken that way. I would personally not want to be called backwards

It means EASTERN not backwards. Occident means West, Orient means East.

For example, at Oxford there is a department of Oriental Studies, a large portion of the staff of which are from the East. Would they be doing so if the very name was calling them backwards?

[merikano]

This thread is ironic since the other day there was one up with OP complaining that all his custom Shepards looked asian and that he couldn't make a non-asian one.



So I guess some people say tomato while others say tomato.

[EvilSnowy]

JudgeQwerty wrote...

Orientals? Really? Do people still use that word?

*laughs*, apparently

[Railstay]

JudgeQwerty wrote...

verskk wrote...

JudgeQwerty wrote...

Kaidan Alenko, anyone?

I always though Kaidan was Latino. Or at least one of non-race (i.e. the races all being fused into one, similar to Anderson if i'm not mistaken)

Kaiden is Japanese, Alenko is Australian, a pretty common pairing in the Pacific. Another accent flub a la Anderson of London.

Uhh..  Kaiden is not Japanese.  Perhaps you were confused because it sounded Japanese to you and you didn't bother to verify.  It's actually an Arabic name and it means "companion".  I know this because my friend's nephew has the name.

Also, a lot of people chiming in on whether oriental is considered racist or not don't seem to be Asian.  I am Asian, so let me shed some light on the matter.  Oriental is not necessarily racist in the same way that calling someone ****** is not necessarily racist, but if you were a black dude and an older white man called you ******, you'd still feel weird.  It's just not the preferred term.

And yes, I agree, I wish there were more Asian party members.  And please make them male.  Every token Asian in every Western game I play is an Asian chick to cash in on an obvious demographic.

Modifié par Railstay, 26 janvier 2010 - 04:13 .

[stevej713]

Lethys1 wrote...

Oriental is not the preferred nomenclature.

Asian Americans, please.

And if they're not from America?  Besides, you could call Turkish people Asian, you could call an Indian person Asian, you can also call an Iranian person Asian, yet they look nothing like a Japanese or Chinese person. 

[UndercoverDoctor]

MasterMenace wrote...

Kasumi...

<_<

[implodinggoat]

Lethys1 wrote...

Oriental is not the preferred nomenclature.

Asian Americans, please.

"This isn't a guy who built the railroads. This is a guy who  peed on my rug."