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[egervari]

I'm waiting patiently for a patch, but what bothers me a lot is that we don't even know what is being patched, and bioware refuses to provide details.

I'm so angry that bioware thought they could release an rpg of this style without click to move, click to loot, a loot visibility toggle rather than ping, more easily viewable loot, auto-attacks, a good tactical camera, etc. I feel so angry and frustrated when trying to play this game, that I just stopped playing the day after launch, and I haven't touched the game since.

What also bothers me is that the official word from Bioware is that they don't think these control issues are that bad, and that they merely say its due to people's preferences, as if the higher pc control standards set by their previous products mean nothing. They act as if the problem is purely subjective. It's insulting to someone who's played their games all the way back to the first Baldur's Gate. The controls in DA:I are strictly worse compared to Origins or DA2. It is objectively worse.

I don't know what they will fix too, which is unnerving. I doubt they fix the loot problems. I have serious issues with the looting in DAI. I am so sick of not seeing loot on the screen easily after a ping. I am sick of how small the fonts are, or how they disappear after 1 second, or they are not visible sometimes unless you are close enough, etc. It is so time-consuming, tedious and frustrating.

The lack of auto-attacks makes the game feel so weighty too. Pressing 'r' and 'v' constantly is just so unnecessary. How this could have escaped QA, I will never know. It is indefensible, yet they chalk it up to preference and try to snakefully shift the blame away from their company. It's just insulting.

Anyone else feel this way? I just want Bioware to be punished somehow. It isn't right after their advertisements that they made a PC game. They really emphasized it, and they lied. It's fraud. And I'm just disappointed that over and over recently, this company never fails to disappoint. I don't know why I get hopeful anymore. I feel like the professional reviewers are also to blame. They don't even mention the game's problems, as if they were paid not to mention them.

It's just how I feel.

[Jaulen]

Meh, the PC controls are irritating, but not that big of a deal to me once I remapped my keys and got used to it.

Although I would LOVE if they fixed the PC controls back to be more like DAO or DA2.....it wasn't broken.....why 'fix' it?

(and the tac cam...either do it right or don't do it)

 

I'd probably take a point off my mental score for the game due to the PC controls.

[egervari]

Meh, the PC controls are irritating, but not that big of a deal to me once I remapped my keys and got used to it.

Although I would LOVE if they fixed the PC controls back to be more like DAO or DA2.....it wasn't broken.....why 'fix' it?

(and the tac cam...either do it right or don't do it)

 

I'd probably take a point off my mental score for the game due to the PC controls.

For me, controls are really important. Bad controls totally break immersion for me.

[Charcoal15]

I agree that it is not as polished as it could be, and I do personally dislike the pc controls and plug my xbox controller in for this game. At the same time, I do not think its that bad, its down to personal opinion. Everyone can agree that it is a bit clunky, but not everyone can agree on whether to hate it or like it. So in reality, they never really lied, its just that some disagree with what they said and others do not, and the majority are disagree. 

[Olddog56]

Get a pc controller. Problem solved.

[egervari]

I agree that it is not as polished as it could be, and I do personally dislike the pc controls and plug my xbox controller in for this game. At the same time, I do not think its that bad, its down to personal opinion. Everyone can agree that it is a bit clunky, but not everyone can agree on whether to hate it or like it. So in reality, they never really lied, its just that some disagree with what they said and others do not, and the majority are disagree. 

If this wasn't a sequel, and if this company hadn't made PC RPGs before, and if this wasn't comparable to other PC RPGs, I would agree that perhaps they could have genuinely believed the controls were acceptable. But this is Bioware, and the controls for Origins and DA2 (other than the lack of a tactical camera) were very good, and those examples show that they know how to create good PC controls for this type of game, so they really have no excuse. They did know better, and they also knew what was possible, and they had to know it was going to be compared, yet they lied anyway.

 

I just have a hard time believing that everyone who play DA:I within Bioware, developers and QA alike, could have said, "Yep, we nailed it!" It's just not believable.

 

If they had said, "Yep PC players, we fucked up. We're sorry, and we're fixing all of it (with specifics) as we speak," I would have had much more respect for them. But as usual, they feign that they did nothing wrong - even defend it. And that really infuriates me. It's just dishonest and it's too political for my taste. It's insulting.

[Charcoal15]

Get a pc controller. Problem solved.

It should not really be like that though, dish out £30 for a controller just because the pc controls are bad? I love this game and I am using an xbox controller on pc, but some can not afford to spend £30, and I do not think I would have the money to buy one right now, so I am lucky I got one a long time ago.

[Charcoal15]

If this wasn't a sequel, and if this company hadn't made PC RPGs before, and if this wasn't comparable to other PC RPGs, I would agree that perhaps they could have genuinely believed the controls were acceptable. But this is Bioware, and the controls for Origins and DA2 (other than the lack of a tactical camera) were very good, and those examples show that they know how to create good PC controls for this type of game, so they really have no excuse. They did know better, and they also knew what was possible, and they had to know it was going to be compared, yet they lied anyway.

Many would say that Da2s controls were bad though, they tried to appease both sides, to try and make the guys who want a tactical rpg happy and the guys that want an action rpg happy, they should not, they should have just went for one side. Also, they did not lie, the pc controls being bad is your opinion, some like them, I agree with you and dislike them, but if some like them then they did not really lie.

[Almostfaceman]

Couldn't disagree more, the controls were easy to get used to and I'm having a blast playing this game. 

[egervari]

Many would say that Da2s controls were bad though, they tried to appease both sides, to try and make the guys who want a tactical rpg happy and the guys that want an action rpg happy, they should not, they should have just went for one side. Also, they did not lie, the pc controls being bad is your opinion, some like them, I agree with you and dislike them, but if some like them then they did not really lie.

They are not as good as origins, but the tactics system is good enough for companions and the only realy problem is the lack of a tactical camera, which is only a problem in a few tough encounters. The tactical camera is only really a problem on Nightmare difficulty. It is a big blunder though, and I don't make excuses for the lack of a tactical camera, but other than that, it's much better than DA:I.

[egervari]

Couldn't disagree more, the controls were easy to get used to and I'm having a blast playing this game. 

I'm glad you got used to them, but whether that's true or not, they are still objectively worse than the previous games. Why on earth would anyone prefer DAI's looting over DA2, or the lack of auto-attacks, or a crappy tactical camera over the previous installments. They are just better.

[Charcoal15]

They are not as good as origins, but the tactics system is good enough for companions and the only realy problem is the lack of a tactical camera, which is only a problem in a few tough encounters. The tactical camera is only really a problem on Nightmare difficulty. It is a big blunder though, and I don't make excuses for the lack of a tactical camera, but other than that, it's much better than DA:I.

Which is an opinion, which means Bioware did not lie, as they simply stated there and some others opinions. 

[egervari]

Which is an opinion, which means Bioware did not lie, as they simply stated there and some others opinions. 

You misunderstand me... I was referring to DA2's lack of tactical camera, not DA:I. I think it is quite an objective statement though that DA2 would have been better with a functioning tactical camera like the one in Origins. This is not an opinion. DA2 is made no worse and only better with the inclusion of Origin's tactical camera, and DA:I would only stand to improve with a tactical camera like the one in Origins as well. How on earth could the game get worse?

[Charcoal15]

You misunderstand me... I was referring to DA2's lack of tactical camera, not DA:I. I think it is quite an objective statement though that DA2 would have been better with a functioning tactical camera like the one in Origins. This is not an opinion. DA2 is made no worse and only better with the inclusion of Origin's tactical camera, and DA:I would only stand to improve with a tactical camera like the one in Origins as well. How on earth could the game get worse?

My point still stands if we imagine I replied that when you were on about Inquisition. The controls are objectively worse in your eyes, but not everyones, there are many that hated Dragon age 2s controls and prefer these, theres even the select view that prefer these over origins. Different strokes for different folks as they say.

[egervari]

According to these boards everything is worse than the previous games, if controls were not to your liking im pretty sure you would be moaning about something else

Not really, no.

 

I submit that while I may not like the MMO-feel to the game either, at least that's something that is to taste, like the taste in ice cream. But as an industry, we can objectively evaluate various control schemes and we can say for certain whether one set of controls is worse than another.

[egervari]

My point still stands if we imagine I replied that when you were on about Inquisition. The controls are objectively worse in your eyes, but not everyones, there are many that hated Dragon age 2s controls and prefer these, theres even the select view that prefer these over origins. Different strokes for different folks as they say.

How does adding an optional feature make a game worse? If DA2 had a tactical camera, the game's controls are only made better. If you don't want to use the tactical camera, then its addition has made the game no worse than before. Hence, it would only be the same or better. Not worse. How is this hard to understand?

The same goes for the suggested fixes to DA:I's controls. It would only be a better game.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Dear OP,

 

No PC gamer who uses Keyboard and Mouse, who possess some form of common sense, will get the PC version of a AAA game at launch....That's just reality....

 

Additionally, yes, Bioware are lying about their whole PC is our main platform....Personally, getting the PC version of their games only when it is patched or when it is bargain bin price should send the right message me thinks...

 

After all, money talks...

 

Cheers....

[Almostfaceman]

I'm glad you got used to them, but whether that's true or not, they are still objectively worse than the previous games. Why on earth would anyone prefer DAI's looting over DA2, or the lack of auto-attacks, or a crappy tactical camera over the previous installments. They are just better.

 

Nope.

[Charcoal15]

How does adding an optional feature make a game worse? If DA2 had a tactical camera, the game's controls are only made better. If you don't want to use the tactical camera, then its addition has made the game no worse than before. Hence, it would only be the same or better. Not worse. How is this hard to understand?

The same goes for the suggested fixes to DA:I's controls. It would only be a better game.

Its not hard to understand for me, I understand you completely, I am just saying whether you agree with the viewpoints of others or not. Your opinion is just that, an opinion. You are suggesting the game would certainly be better with what you are saying, some disagree. I do not wish to argue, for I agree with you and so and argument would be foolish, but some desire no optional features or fixes, I am like you, I do not understand. But you can not objectively say the game would be better as some would disagree. Again, I do not wish to argue as I do not know what someone who disagreed would say, but I know that some do disagree. 

[egervari]

Its not hard to understand for me, I understand you completely, I am just saying whether you agree with the viewpoints of others or not. Your opinion is just that, an opinion. You are suggesting the game would certainly be better with what you are saying, some disagree. I do not wish to argue, for I agree with you and so and argument would be foolish, but some desire no optional features or fixes, I am like you, I do not understand. But you can not objectively say the game would be better as some would disagree. Again, I do not wish to argue as I do not know what someone who disagreed would say, but I know that some do disagree. 

Let's suppose 70% of people like the current control scheme. Now let's suppose that some changes allow the same 70% to enjoy it, but we also bring in another 20% of people to enjoy it as well, satisfying a total of 90% of players. Can we not say that those changes were objectively and strictly better than the previous control scheme? Yes we can. Hence, it is objective.

 

Shouldn't the aim of any software developer be to make the UI and controls as good for the most amount of customers as possible? Here though, they have basically alienated a large chunk of their audience, even a historical core audience.

[scootshoot]

I ranted just like you OP.  But then after playing a week I've grown accustomed to its nuances.   

 

Hint: rebind the default keys for tactical camera.

 

On a side note I do have a Razer Tartarus on my left, a 10 year old G15 (still going strong, great quality Logitech!) at my center, and a 13+ button gaming mouse to my right all of which are customizable so am sure that has something to do with it.

 

In this day and age, if you still on your basic 10 dollar Keyboard and 2 button mouse, you deserve to suffer 

[Kendaric Varkellen]

Couldn't disagree more, the controls were easy to get used to and I'm having a blast playing this game. 

 

They are still rather clunky and it's pretty obvious that they were not really designed with mouse + keyboard in mind.

 

Fortunately I can enjoy the game despite the flaws (130 hours in and not finished the main quest ), but it leaves a bitter taste when you think about how much better it could have been without certain influences.

[Charcoal15]

Let's suppose 70% of people like the current control scheme. Now let's suppose that some changes allow the same 70% to enjoy it, but we also bring in another 20% of people to enjoy it as well, totally 90%. Can we not say that those changes were objectively and strictly better than the previous control scheme? Yes we can. Hence, it is objective.

Some would say that the changes made, make it worse. Thus you may lose some of this 70% and in the eyes of some, make it objectively bad. Again, do not ask me these questions, I am simply notifying you that some would disagree. I personally agree with you on all accounts, and so have nothing useful to contribute to be honest.

[Vormaerin]

Anyone else feel this way?

 

I'm sure some other people do.  Lots of peopel don't also.  It is, just as they said, a matter of preference.  I don't give a rat's ass about most of those things you think are insulting not to have.  The tactical camera has limitations that are problematic.  The rest of the stuff is just "Stuff I like" not some kind of must have. I play lots of games that don't have those features.

 

I'm fine if the add them, but they aren't necessary, nor does their absence constitute some kind of breach of faith.