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[Deepsetsoul]

Dear god. I wasn't going to step in, but you're being ridiculous. 

 

Yes, BioWare should fix it. However, your tone needs to be addressed: You're not just reading between the lines, but down past the subtext, into fantasyland of what people are posting. Stop trying to find insults where none are intended!

 

No one is trying to insult you, and yes many of us feel frustrated. But you're ranting like a crazy person. 

 

No it doesnt. I'm the consumer.

 

I dont feel sorry for bioware at all. Who the hell feels sorry for people who did their job incorrectly?

 

And I love the people talking about "When this gets fixed".

 

Its not getting fixed. The OP of this thread is Bioware's QA guy saying the problem isnt real.

 

"We will continue to look into it" doesnt mean "We will fix it."

 

Why would they fix something they openly said isnt a real problem?

[StElmo]

Yeah, we all just want to experience the story, but don't be angry about it. This work is lovingly crafted no need to make people who worked on it feel bad. Game development is an excruciatingly difficult job and very intense at this level, cut em some slack buds :]

[Chewbacca99]

No it doesnt. I'm the consumer.
 
I dont feel sorry for bioware at all. Who the hell feels sorry for people who did their job incorrectly?
 
And I love the people talking about "When this gets fixed".
 
Its not getting fixed. The OP of this thread is Bioware's QA guy saying the problem isnt real.
 
"We will continue to look into it" doesnt mean "We will fix it."
 
Why would they fix something they openly said isnt a real problem?

Let's just put it this way - even stuff that was unequivocally a bug, such as the inquisitor' voice changing after a specific event got the holding statement" we are looking into it". Also, they are definitely looking at some of the feedback into PC controls, which are definitely not bugs, but design choices. Now it's questionable how much they could potentially do given the existing framework, but it's clear they are looking at the PC controls and reviewing what can be done (prob go thru the Standard effort vs benefit analysis for each item)

On the banter issue, while we may have issue with the wording of the OP (I know I do), given the visibility of this issue (the main thread has more views than the qunari hair thread lol), I would take them at their word that they are working on it and prioritizing it until I hear otherwise. But I do agree, it is frustrating for all.

[Renmiri1]

If the banter bug is a symptom of a larger problem (memory leaks, etc.), forcing banter to fire could create more glitches elsewhere.

I'd much rather Bioware take the time to thoroughly root out the problem than to issue a quick fix that makes the game even buggier.

Well at least we will be able to PROVE that this is indeed a problem. right now Bioware doesn't even admit it is.

[Deepsetsoul]

Yeah, we all just want to experience the story, but don't be angry about it. This work is lovingly crafted no need to make people who worked on it feel bad. Game development is an excruciatingly difficult job and very intense at this level, cut em some slack buds :]

Being a garbage collector is a hard job, and if they didnt pick your garbage, you would be pissed.

 

Bioware only gets a pass because its "the thing to do" these days to defend developers, regardless of how broken their game is. I work a full time job. I dont see how their full time job is more prestigious than others and protects them from criticism.
 

 

Let's just put it this way - even stuff that was unequivocally a bug, such as the inquisitor' voice changing after a specific event got the holding statement" we are looking into it". Also, they are definitely looking at some of the feedback into PC controls, which are definitely not bugs, but design choices. Now it's questionable how much they could potentially do given the existing framework, but it's clear they are looking at the PC controls and reviewing what can be done (prob go thru the Standard effort vs benefit analysis for each item)

On the banter issue, while we may have issue with the wording of the OP (I know I do), given the visibility of this issue (the main thread has more views than the qunari hair thread lol), I would take them at their word that they are working on it and prioritizing it until I hear otherwise. But I do agree, it is frustrating for all.

 

You cant just read into it and say they are fixing things.

They are definitely fixing pc controls and they claim to be fixing the horrendous performance with Nvidia cards. Cool.

 

That doesnt change the fact that they have openly said the banter bug isnt real, they havent even addressed the fact that half the mage passive skills DONT EVEN DO ANYTHING, and ability rings still weaken your abilities instead of making them stronger.

I expect 3 things from a Bioware game, as it is an RPG.

1. Good Dialogue (LOL CANT HEAR IT CAUSE BANTER ISNT WORKING)
2. Cinematic Moments (LOL NO MUSIC)
3. RPG Character progression (LOL SKILLS DONT WORK, EQUIPMENT MAKES YOU WEAKER, CHARACTERS VOICE RANDOMLY CHANGES)

So please explain to me why I'm wrong for being upset?

If I buy a microwave, and it doesnt cook food, but instead, it created diamonds, I still have the right to be pissed because I didnt buy it to obtain diamonds, I bought it to do what a microwave is supposed to do. Cook food.

This game doesnt have party dialogue for a ton of players, a bunch of the skills dont work, the equipment doesnt work.

At this point I could just rent a movie.

[Tsunami Chef]

Being a garbage collector is a hard job, and if they didnt pick your garbage, you would be pissed.

 

Bioware only gets a pass because its "the thing to do" these days to defend developers, regardless of how broken their game is. I work a full time job. I dont see how their full time job is more prestigious than others and protects them from criticism.
 

 

 

You cant just read into it and say they are fixing things.

They are definitely fixing pc controls and they claim to be fixing the horrendous performance with Nvidia cards. Cool.

 

That doesnt change the fact that they have openly said the banter bug isnt real, they havent even addressed the fact that half the mage passive skills DONT EVEN DO ANYTHING, and ability rings still weaken your abilities instead of making them stronger.

I expect 3 things from a Bioware game, as it is an RPG.

1. Good Dialogue (LOL CANT HEAR IT CAUSE BANTER ISNT WORKING)
2. Cinematic Moments (LOL NO MUSIC)
3. RPG Character progression (LOL SKILLS DONT WORK, EQUIPMENT MAKES YOU WEAKER, CHARACTERS VOICE RANDOMLY CHANGES)

So please explain to me why I'm wrong for being upset?

If I buy a microwave, and it doesnt cook food, but instead, it created diamonds, I still have the right to be pissed because I didnt buy it to obtain diamonds, I bought it to do what a microwave is supposed to do. Cook food.

This game doesnt have party dialogue for a ton of players, a bunch of the skills dont work, the equipment doesnt work.

At this point I could just rent a movie.

You could, or you could complain endlessly on the bioware forum in the hopes that someone magically answers your prayers. I think we know which path you chose. Also, how in the hell could you think it's "in" for people to give the developer a pass? Have you been reading the forum you have been complaining incessantly on? 90% of the people are shitting on the game in any way possible.

[Deepsetsoul]

You could, or you could complain endlessly on the bioware forum in the hopes that someone magically answers your prayers. I think we know which path you chose. Also, how in the hell could you think it's "in" for people to give the developer a pass? Have you been reading the forum you have been complaining incessantly on? 90% of the people are shitting on the game in any way possible.

 

So basically your solution is to just accept that they wont fix it, because you know, it would be rude to be ungrateful.

Again, I paid for this game. Bioware didnt do me a favor. In fact, they fucked me over. They sold me a product that isnt working, then told me the bugs I'm having dont exist.

 

So no, I honestly don't feel bad whatsoever.

 

For the record I'd like to point out that I dont want bioware to be crucified. I dont want their stock price to go down. I dont want anyone to be fired.

I only want this game, which is actually pretty amazing when it works, to work.

And I'm sorry but outright lying and saying it isnt bugged is a terrible way to make your playerbase feel at ease about your slow patching process.

[Tsunami Chef]

So basically your solution is to just accept that they wont fix it, because you know, it would be rude to be ungrateful.

Again, I paid for this game. Bioware didnt do me a favor. In fact, they fucked me over. They sold me a product that isnt working, then told me the bugs I'm having dont exist.

 

So no, I honestly don't feel bad whatsoever.

 

For the record I'd like to point out that I dont want bioware to be crucified. I dont want their stock price to go down. I dont want anyone to be fired.

I only want this game, which is actually pretty amazing when it works, to work.

And I'm sorry but outright lying and saying it isnt bugged is a terrible way to make your playerbase feel at ease about your slow patching process.

Except the product does work, and you'd have to be high to say the game isn't worth 60 dollars even with the bugs they have. No one is saying you should feel bad. They are saying that you should get over yourself. Everyone has had games that don't work in some way when they come out (most games), but they don't rave on the forum. My solution is to post that you have a bug like everyone else has...and then enjoy your life. Every angry post you make at bioware isn't going to increase the speed with which the problem is fixed.

[Deepsetsoul]

Except the product does work, and you'd have to be high to say the game isn't worth 60 dollars even with the bugs they have. No one is saying you should feel bad. They are saying that you should get over yourself. Everyone has had games that don't work in some way when they come out (most games), but they don't rave on the forum. My solution is to post that you have a bug like everyone else has...and then enjoy your life. Every angry post you make at bioware isn't going to increase the speed with which the problem is fixed.

I'm sorry but with Banter not working, the game doesnt work.

You see, bioware didnt advertise this game as a game with bugs.

They sold it as a working product. You cannot sell someone a broken product, then blame them for not being happy with it anyway.

And for like the 15th time, the problem isnt being fixed.

Bioware isnt going to fix the Banter Bug. This thread is Bioware stating publicly that it doesnt exist.

 

Why do you persist in thinking that even though Bioware said there is no Banter Bug, they will still fix it anyway? It doesnt exist to them.

[Deepsetsoul]

BTW, I find it priceless when someone says "enjoy your life".

You think I have to be depressed and hating my life to demand the game works?

Yeah bro, I'm dying over here. I mean, my dragon age doesnt work. IDK how i can continue living.

[Tsunami Chef]

BTW, I find it priceless when someone says "enjoy your life".

You think I have to be depressed and hating my life to demand the game works?

Yeah bro, I'm dying over here. I mean, my dragon age doesnt work. IDK how i can continue living.

Mark Darrah, HAS SAID THE BUG WILL DEFINITELY BE PATCHED. You are incredibly slow, angry, or a combination of both that is causing you to act like this.

 

https://twitter.com/...487674654916608

 

Please...remove your head form wherever it is inserted.

 

BTW...that's the EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF DRAGON AGE RECOGNIZING IT'S A BUG AND SAYING THEY ARE WORKING ON A FIX FOR THE BANTER BUG. Idk if there is more proof possible.

[Deepsetsoul]

Mark Darrah, HAS SAID THE BUG WILL DEFINITELY BE PATCHED. You are incredibly slow, angry, or a combination of both that is causing you to act like this.

 

https://twitter.com/...487674654916608

 

Please...remove your head form wherever it is inserted.

 

BTW...that's the EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF DRAGON AGE RECOGNIZING IT'S A BUG AND SAYING THEY ARE WORKING ON A FIX FOR THE BANTER BUG. Idk if there is more proof possible.

 

So on twitter the bug exists, but on the forums it doesnt?

 

Priceless.

 

Guess I'm the stupid one, and not Bioware who cant keep their information straight.

 

Edit -> Inb4 first world "Everyone uses twitter" comment.

 

I dont use twitter. I wont ever use twitter.

[XMissWooX]

Look, just stop and think about this for a moment. Just... really think about it and focus on the facts:

1) You are experiencing a bug with party banter.

2) You refuse to play the game whilst this bug is still present.

3) According to you, this bug will never get fixed.

So, looking at the above, there is surely only one logical conclusion - return the game, get a refund if you can, and don't bother to play it anymore.

Because if you are correct and the bug won't get fixed, then I really don't see the point in getting yourself worked up about it. 

[planB_durham_]

I don't know if I should start another thread for this or not, as most people seem to mention this as part of the party banter bug (which I don't think I am experiencing) - but I don't have much background music, no combat music, no music in Val Royeaux, and no music in Skyhold.

 

I don't know if other areas are affected, but what tends to happen in The Hinterlands and Storm Coast is the music will start to play, for maybe 15 or 20 seconds, then it just fades out and another piece of a song will start some time after that.

 

It's very frustrating because it's painfully noticeable, and everywhere feels so empty as a result (peoples' voices even echo like we're in a big empty room sometimes).

 

I also experienced an issue early in the game, before unlocking Skyhold, where the bard stopped playing tunes in the Haven tavern.

 

When I first traveled to Val Royeaux, the bard there wasn't playing music, either. After recruiting Sera she seemed to start playing again, but with no other frame of reference I definitely can't say if it's working as intended.

 

All I can say for sure is that there are definitely some audio issues with this game that need to be fixed. I only saw an official response to the party banter bug, but has Bioware made a comment about the lack of audio consistency?

 

Why is there no music in some areas? Why doesn't the music work properly in others? Why does the bard sometimes break pre-Skyhold?

 

This is driving me crazy...

[Deepsetsoul]

Look, just stop and think about this for a moment. Just... really think about it and focus on the facts:

1) You are experiencing a bug with party banter.

2) You refuse to play the game whilst this bug is still present.

3) According to you, this bug will never get fixed.

So, looking at the above, there is surely only one logical conclusion - return the game, get a refund if you can, and don't bother to play it anymore.

Because if you are correct and the bug won't get fixed, then I really don't see the point in getting yourself worked up about it. 

 

According to this thread the bug doesnt exist.

 

Please dont try to alienate people who have issues with the game. Without the fear of criticism, developers have no incentive to do anything for anyone.

[Chewbacca99]

So on twitter the bug exists, but on the forums it doesnt?

 

Priceless.

 

Guess I'm the stupid one, and not Bioware who cant keep their information straight.

 

Edit -> Inb4 first world "Everyone uses twitter" comment.

 

I dont use twitter. I wont ever use twitter.

 

This exchange is making me LOL. 

 

Can you please quote where they say the bug doesn't exist?  In those words?  They are saying they can't reproduce it (at least when they made the OP), which is NOT the same thing - if I had a dime for every time a developer told me this (even with my screenshot proof that it was an issue), then I would be a rich man.  Even when developers I have worked with have said this, once we went through more details, they have recognized the issue and fixed it.  So initially saying, we can't reproduce the bug on our test machines effectively doesn't mean much (though I would definitely agree that they should have equivocated more - I'm sure if it had been Mark making the OP, it should be been more politically correctly worded, similar to the PC controls post he made).

 

People have been saying we wish BW would give more frequent (daily) updates.  But seriously, what could they update on?  Even in a corporation, the IT guys will just update saying "we are working on it, will let you know if we need help / more info with it.  Stop bothering us and let us do our work."  And that is to internal customers who they see face-to-face and therefore can't escape from...

[XMissWooX]

According to this thread the bug doesnt exist.

 

Please dont try to alienate people who have issues with the game. Without the fear of criticism, developers have no incentive to do anything for anyone.

 

No, I am following the logical conclusion. You won't play this game until the bug is fixed, yet you seem adamant that the bug will never actually get fixed. Putting these two pieces of information together can only provide one result - that you never play this game again.

[Morroian]

BTW...that's the EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF DRAGON AGE RECOGNIZING IT'S A BUG AND SAYING THEY ARE WORKING ON A FIX FOR THE BANTER BUG. Idk if there is more proof possible.

 

He said that  2-3 days ago, now we have Conal pretty much saying they can't find it so they doubt its an actual game bug. They will monitor it but will probably move on to other things hence it probably won;t be fixed.

[Tsunami Chef]

He said that  2-3 days ago, now we have Conal pretty much saying they can't find it so they doubt its an actual game bug. They will monitor it but will probably move on to other things hence it probably won;t be fixed.

You are ridiculously pessimistic if you think they will move on from a bug that prevents 3+ hours of dialogue from being seen by a large portion of the player base.

[Chewbacca99]

He said that  2-3 days ago, now we have Conal pretty much saying they can't find it so they doubt its an actual game bug. They will monitor it but will probably move on to other things hence it probably won;t be fixed.

 

Urm... where does Conal say that recently?  The OP by Conal was on 28 Nov, Mark's comment on Twitter was from 2 days ago.  By my calculation (admittedly my math ain't too good), that was AFTER Conal's OP.  LOL - timelines!

[Vordish]

It amounts to the same thing. If they claim its something they cannot reproduce then the net effect is that its "under investigation" and will shelve the issue until it comes to the point where they might be forced to deal with it.

 

Hence, some people do not believe it will ever get fixed. So, a major outcome of this entire situation ends up being "Your seeing things and if not, deal with it".

 

People then go back to square one and either force themselves to play the game while feeling they are missing out on a bunch of content or stop playing and hope it will be fixed later on.

 

I don't like either.

[devSin]

I don't know if other areas are affected, but what tends to happen in The Hinterlands and Storm Coast is the music will start to play, for maybe 15 or 20 seconds, then it just fades out and another piece of a song will start some time after that.

This is intended (they're not all quite so short, but there are only small themes that periodically play while you're exploring).

There is music for story missions, cutscenes, and some static regions and encounters (there's constant music on the west road, for instance, until you resolve both major quest lines there, and there is combat music for some of the staged fights in the area as well). There is typically not constant music during exploration, nor for random encounters (which comprise most of the fighting you'll do while exploring).
 

I also experienced an issue early in the game, before unlocking Skyhold, where the bard stopped playing tunes in the Haven tavern.

She's just totally broken.

Once you exhaust all the possible songs, she rotates between various states. One is to do nothing; another is to sing with no music (only vocals); another is to play music with no vocals; and still another is to actually work properly. Her lute will also randomly disappear.
 
Honestly, just avoid her as much as possible.
 

Why is there no music in some areas? Why doesn't the music work properly in others? Why does the bard sometimes break pre-Skyhold?

In short, because that's the way they made it. The bard is bugged, but everything else you describe is normal.

[Aguycalledhaney]

Hmm... this seems to be working fine for me. Or at least what I consider to be fine. I'm working on my third playthrough (I know, I have issues) and despite the fact I still despise the miserable combat system and think the framing story sucks (really? four people standing around staring at a book silently and you flash the title like it's a big freakin deal?) I've been happy with the music and banter. I guess I'm a lucky one!

[Halcyon Lavellan]

There seems to be a lot of hot air and angst in regards to the recognition of this bug in the last few posts. May I suggest, if it helps short circuit further drama, scrolling to the top of the page and clicking the red "Show All Bioware Posts" button?

You can see Conal's original post, which sems to be what some people are fixed on, but also an additional clarifying post he made shortly after, which appears some people are ignoring in order to make their point more incendiary than necessary.

I'm happy to wait for this to get through the process of being fixed, and I'm checking this forum regularly to see any updates, however a flood of unproductive rants and counter rants helps no one.

[Aleph One]

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Without the fear of criticism, developers have no incentive to do anything for anyone.

This is not how a sound business model works. Revenue is a greater incentive than criticism, and it is intellectually dishonest to assume that criticism is the only thing that motivates a quality product.