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[saber1red]

But the funny thing is that banter probability should not be based on reading codex logs. I dont believe the banter system is tied to the codex's. Who knows? I don't how the system was created.

[Ending]

Nothing in Patch 5 Notes about a Banter Fix (unless I somehow missed it)

 

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[Silith]

But the funny thing is that banter probability should not be based on reading codex logs. I dont believe the banter system is tied to the codex's. Who knows? I don't how the system was created.

 

Back when this behaviour was first discovered there was speculation that it's some kind of memory leak or an event gets clogged up that keeps banter from firing. When you clear out codex or journal entries, you'll notice that you get popups like "Codex updated: xxx" or the quest tracker will trigger (with the accompanying sound). On some quests, this happens by itself but sometimes it will only do that when you manually trigger it, so something is broken there for sure. How, no one knows.

[turuzzusapatuttu]

Nothing for Party Banter in the new patch, but, hey, at least they fixed a "loot exploit". Good job, BioWare.

[Kurt M.]

Banter, banter, banter, badger!

 

[Dinerenblanc]

It's a shame they banter so little in the game since the lines they've recorded are quite entertaining. I had one between Varric and Dorian where the former accused the latter of being prissy or something of the sorts, and he rebuked his accusation by stating that no one has peeled him grapes for a long time. I had a good laugh from that one. I can only imagine how many delightful lines I'm missing because they rarely speak. At least give us the option to raise or lower the amount of banter between them. That way we can reduce it if things become to repetitive. 

[Heidirs]

Thanks for the tips about the journal and inventory, I'll try that too if banter appears thin. It seems like 2-3 per hour is running as intended; perhaps it would run out too quickly if it were more frequent (it seems to me personally that it might be *too* chatty, if having too much banter is possible  ).

 

I've never actually timed it. It feels like a lot longer than 30mins per banter. But I'm sure there's a difference between how much time I feel has passed and how much has actually passed. I should sit down will a timer some time.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

i dont think the cheat engine script works with patch 5, cant find the value

[Nu Titan]

i dont think the cheat engine script works with patch 5, cant find the value

 

I'll try and post a updated table later today if I have time.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

I'll try and post a updated table later today if I have time.

you sir are awesome

[Nu Titan]

Cheat Engine Table (MediaFire Download)

 

Update 03.03.15
- added patch 5 version
- added patch 6 beta version
- added toggle banter hotkey

Trigger = plays banters one at a time.
Toggle = plays banters until deactivated.

 

Update 03.07.15

- fixed toggle SkyHold Outfit script for combined table (patch 5 & 6 beta)

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I updated the banter trigger to work with the new patches (hopefully) and added a toggle hotkey for people who prefer using it that way.

I'll try to update my original post (here) whenever a new patch is released.

 

Spoiler

Cheat Engine Table (MediaFire download)
- Banter Trigger only (hotkey [num1])
- Combined DAI Table** (v45) + Banter Trigger (hotkey [num8])

 

Activate banter by pressing the hotkey (don't check the active box). Alternatively, if you want to play a bunch of banters in a row than you can check the box first then press the hotkey (uncheck to stop). I have not tried the second method much, so I don't know if there are negative side effects to using it that way.

 

Cheat Engine Instructions

Guide by PorcelynDoll

 

Update 03.03.15
- added patch 5 version
- added patch 6 beta version
- added toggle banter hotkey

 

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Here is the manual banter trigger I mentioned earlier. I tested it for a few hours with my current character and it works well for me at least (tried different save points, zones, parties, ect).

So triggering party banter in DAI seems to be based on a countdown timer. When the value of the timer is 0 it will trigger the banter (most of the time, but not always) and restarts the timer back to ~600-900 sec (randomly in that range).

The pointer I used will sometimes give a different address, another countdown timer, once the banter timer hits 0. The pointer returns to the banter timer address after the other timer reaches 0 (most of the time). I'm not 100% sure what the other timer(s) is (usually 5-120 sec) but I believe it may still related to the banter somehow. There maybe a better pointer to use if someone can find it.

This trigger only works in areas where you can get random banter normally (i.e. not in prologue, haven, skyhold, val royeaux, combat, some dungeons, ect...) and if banter is still available (didn't use them all for your current party). Also, from what I can tell, banter is broken in The Western Approach or at least in the starting area I tested (I'm using patch 4).

You may need to press the hotkey a few times before the banter starts. This is because the banter doesn't always play when the timer reaches 0, which is probably one of the reasons you can go long periods without banter in the game, and the pointer gives the address to the other timer(s) sometimes.

I have very little experience with CE, so forgive me if this doesn't work or I'm wrong about something. I wanted to try this because I seem to get less banter after patch 3&4. I also like switching my party up very often to hear different banters.

If this doesn't work for a lot of people than someone with more knowledge/skill will need to find a better pointer/method (at least we know it is possible). I'll explain how to manually find the address of the timer if needed.

Maybe someone can create a mod with a shorten timer in the future so CE is not necessary.

 

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**credit to olegbl and others over at the CE forums for the DAI Table (v45).

If you want to change the hotkey, right click entry and select change hotkey. Default is [num1] for banter only and [num8] for combined table.

PS - As always you should backup your saves first just to be super safe. I also take no responsibility if you run out of banters early in the game because you wanted to trigger them every 2 mins
 

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Hopefully Patch 5 contains a bug that coincidentally neutralizes the Patch 4 banter "fix."

[xStephyG]

Cheat Engine Table (MediaFire Download)

 

Update 03.03.15
- added patch 5 version
- added patch 6 beta version
- added toggle banter hotkey

Trigger = plays banters one at a time.
Toggle = plays banters until deactivated.

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I updated the banter trigger to work with the new patches (hopefully) and added a toggle hotkey for people who prefer using it that way.

I'll try to update my original post (here) whenever a new patch is released.

 

Spoiler

You are kind of my God right now. Thank you.

[Vader20]

THank you for updating the table.

[LPain]

Cheat Engine Table (MediaFire Download)

 

Update 03.03.15
- added patch 5 version
- added patch 6 beta version
- added toggle banter hotkey

Trigger = plays banters one at a time.
Toggle = plays banters until deactivated.

---

I updated the banter trigger to work with the new patches (hopefully) and added a toggle hotkey for people who prefer using it that way.

I'll try to update my original post (here) whenever a new patch is released.

 

Spoiler

Thanks a million! You've saved my DA:I with your work yet again I really appreciate it.

[AmberDragon]

Cheat Engine Table (MediaFire Download)

 

Update 03.03.15
- added patch 5 version
- added patch 6 beta version
- added toggle banter hotkey

Trigger = plays banters one at a time.
Toggle = plays banters until deactivated.

---

I updated the banter trigger to work with the new patches (hopefully) and added a toggle hotkey for people who prefer using it that way.

I'll try to update my original post (here) whenever a new patch is released.

 

Spoiler

Wish it could be sorted out for the PS4, party banter has lessened for me with each patch, I can now play for an hour or more with  banter at all no matter who is in my party.

[Scoutyo]

Some people on Reddit are posting that patch 5 "fixed" their banter problems (link 1, link 2).  Has anyone here seen any improvement?  I've been doing some testing (on PC) and so far, no improvement.  I still get zero banter.  

 

Aaaaand ... literally as I was typing this, I just heard banter between Dorian and IB.  I was in the Storm Coast.  I have had zero banter in the storm coast since patch 4 (whereas before patch 4, I had regular banter there).  I'm testing by standing around in the first Inquisition camp with a group that I've never used together (Blackwall, Bull and Dorian), to eliminate any question of banter being exhausted.  

 

Still, I wouldn't consider my banter "fixed."  This is the first and only banter I've heard in almost an hour of testing.  Might just be a coincidence.  

 

Edit:

 

Also, thank you so much for all of your hard work on the CE banter fix, Nu Titan!  It's made a tremendous difference in my enjoyment of the game.

[Nayana_Jaz]

I've played a little yesterday without the CE Table and had quite a lot of banter in those 2 hours, but I'm not sure if that means it is fixed.

[turuzzusapatuttu]

I've played a little yesterday without the CE Table and had quite a lot of banter in those 2 hours, but I'm not sure if that means it is fixed.

 

I don't think so. There was nothing about party banter in the patch notes...

[Heidirs]

I don't think so. There was nothing about party banter in the patch notes...

 

Some people are reporting an improvement in party banter since the patch. They probably didn't try to fix banter, but some of the changes they made might have inadvertently fixed the issue for some people.

[TheImmortalBeaver]

I just ran around the Storm Coast for a while (30-60 minutes) with no banter, on a save where I've played 10+ hours since 1.4 and gotten only one or two instances of non-scripted banter. At this point, I wish there was just some information as to what the problem was. I'm on a save I've been working for a few months, so would it being made prior to patch 1.4 affect anything? Are certain areas beyond Haven and Val Royeux not intended to work with party banter, like the Western Approach? Is this really tied to the codex/journal unread entries, and if so, how do you make sure that clearing them up is actually helping? So many questions, so little actual information.

 

I hope this gets resolved soon. I'd be playing this a lot more if I could hear more of the party dialogue instead of running around in total silence.

[Scoutyo]

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I'm on a save I've been working for a few months, so would it being made prior to patch 1.4 affect anything? 

 

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That's been my experience.  On the (PC) save I've been slowly working on since launch, patch 4 broke my banter.  Patch 4 also broke banter on a PS4 save that I made after patch 2.  I've tried a couple of new characters since patch 4, though, and they've all had normal banter so far.  

[TheImmortalBeaver]

That's been my experience.  On the (PC) save I've been slowly working on since launch, patch 4 broke my banter.  Patch 4 also broke banter on a PS4 save that I made after patch 2.  I've tried a couple of new characters since patch 4, though, and they've all had normal banter so far.  

That's unfortunate. I guess I'll need to roll a new character then. I still wish that there was more info from BioWare on what should be done post 1.4 to trigger banter, but thanks for the heads up!

[XMissWooX]

Wasn't this addressed in patch 4?
"Changed party banter system to be less random to prevent extra-long periods where no conversations would occur."

I've started a new game and noticed a marked improvement. Even before leaving the Hinterlands I've gotten a bunch of banters between Cass, Varric and Solas which I've never heard before. And they all seemed like they were intended for early-game too, so I don't think they've gotten ahead of the story.

[Dinkledorf]

I have read (somewhere) that the banter is not supposed to trigger when enemies are around or during fights and yet my banter does this quite often.  I am not complaining but if the statement is true (re: triggering criteria) there is indeed something quite odd at work in that system.  

 

Its kind of "funny" and rather odd listening to a two way banter, typically centering on the sarcastic, in the middle of a (supposedly) life and death fight with demons.