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[Catche Jagger]

I wanted an option to have my character quit the Inquisition and go fishing with their grandpa. Sadly, this can never be because BIOWARE IS MADE UP OF A BUNCH OF TOTALITARIANS WHO WANT TO CONTROL THE STORY. WELL, GUESS WHAT? I'M ONTO YOU LAIDLAW! YOU TOO GAIDER!

[Super Drone]

Bioware used to have both, actually.

 

You mean the first PC games that they released that were 2d isometric and most of the dialog was text so branching paths were far less labor intensive. Or the Star Wars games (and Kung Fu Star Wars) which had the "elaborate" choices of saint or cackling villain?

 

Or are we just talking about Origins again? We're just talking about Origins again, aren't we?

[Medhia_Nox]

@Catche Jagger:  Are you trying to say that going fishing with my grandpa is against your view of what's right for me?  Are you trying to dictate my world view?

[TheKomandorShepard]

BW games rarely let you play full-on evil. Pragmatic, but evil? I don't know why it was a surprise this game was any different.

Now they don't pretty much it stopped on dao.

 

 

Yeah, but this is a Dragon Age game, and in Dragon Age you never could be a villain. You never had the option to not stop the blight. You never had the option to not fight red lyrium corrupted Meredith.

You could be a villain protagonist in dao pretty much you had a lot options just to be even just pointlessly cruel (or try gain something it was good rpg) in dao.Fighting archdemon doesn't mean you are hero it easliy could fall here .

 

Then bioware went for dialogue wheel and started do games that resemble mass effect creating more defined player character and don't have so much freedom in options.

[Rawgrim]

You mean the first PC games that they released that were 2d isometric and most of the dialog was text so branching paths were far less labor intensive. Or the Star Wars games (and Kung Fu Star Wars) which had the "elaborate" choices of saint or cackling villain?

 

Or are we just talking about Origins again? We're just talking about Origins again, aren't we?

 

 

You are pretty much listing up every Bioware game out there, you know.

[Kinsz]

Are you people serious right now ? this forum just gets more ridiculous by the hour , lol you are honestly mad because you didnt want to fight Corypheus and wanted the option of joining him instead? and that makes the inquisitior a bad character ? could shepard ask to join the reapers ? no , right? so bad character there , could the Warden join the archdemon in DA O ? no?  then bad character. Its funny because i could do this all day , i usually do not attack people's post but this one ridiculous and thus it should not be taken seriously.

[Super Drone]

You are pretty much listing up every Bioware game out there, you know.

 

That's my point. Bioware games had elaborate choices AND story when those elaborate choices didn't need hours of conflicting dialogue and weeks of parallel cut-scene construction.

[Medhia_Nox]

What CRPGs let you play evil... and then continue with a new game directly following in the timeline. 

 

I don't play evil - so I wouldn't know, but I really think this:  "Let me conquer the world" stuff is only ever going to show up in games that just end... with no sequels (or sequels that are in the past, future or another area altogether)

 

SO - what we're asking for is a return to single shot IPs.

[Catche Jagger]

@Catche Jagger:  Are you trying to say that going fishing with my grandpa is against your view of what's right for me?  Are you trying to dictate my world view?

I'm just saying, he's old and misses his grandchild. Doesn't he deserve some love? But Noooooooo, everyone say "But the greater gooooooood! But the naaaaaaarrative! Well, the greater good should probably spend more time with it's fish oil addicted grandpa too, and the narrative... well it can do that too.
Those Inquisition soldiers can ****** themselves in their silly armor for all I care.

Grandpas come first.

#word

[Rawgrim]

That's my point. Bioware games had elaborate choices AND story when those elaborate choices didn't need hours of conflicting dialogue and weeks of parallel cut-scene construction.

 

KOTOR, and the  games after that one did. If a game suffers from too many cutscenes, though, the best option would be to just cut down on them. Stop putting the player in the passenger's seat and put him back into the driver's seat again.

[Rawgrim]

What CRPGs let you play evil... and then continue with a new game directly following in the timeline. 

 

I don't play evil - so I wouldn't know, but I really think this:  "Let me conquer the world" stuff is only ever going to show up in games that just end... with no sequels (or sequels that are in the past, future or another area altogether)

 

SO - what we're asking for is a return to single shot IPs.

 

Baldur's Gate kind of had it. But you have to remember that importing world-states is a very new concept in games, very very few games have it.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Catche Jagger:  Why won't you let me hate grandpa!  You railroading story fascist!

 

@Rawgrim:  And that's my point - you have to start asking for them to stop building continuity so you can have your evil characters back.

 

You'll get that - when I get my voiceless main protagonist back.  It isn't going to happen.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Are you people serious right now ? this forum just gets more ridiculous by the hour , lol you are honestly mad because you didnt want to fight Corypheus and wanted the option of joining him instead? and that makes the inquisitior a bad character ? could shepard ask to join the reapers ? no , right? so bad character there , could the Warden join the archdemon in DA O ? no?  then bad character. Its funny because i could do this all day , i usually do not attack people's post but this one ridiculous and thus it should not be taken seriously.

Corypheus is a person and you could ask him to let you join ,archdemon was pretty much force of nature that destroyed everything on its path there is no way you could join him.Mass effect on side offered very little freedom in terms of player character and let you decide only if you are idealistic or pragmatic/cynical but you always love alliance etc.

[Korusus]

Are you people serious right now ? this forum just gets more ridiculous by the hour , lol you are honestly mad because you didnt want to fight Corypheus and wanted the option of joining him instead? and that makes the inquisitior a bad character ? could shepard ask to join the reapers ? no , right? so bad character there , could the Warden join the archdemon in DA O ? no?  then bad character. Its funny because i could do this all day , i usually do not attack people's post but this one ridiculous and thus it should not be taken seriously.

It's funny that you mention Mass Effect since that's the series where BioWare stopped adding meaningful "evil" choices, DA2 and DAI pretty much follow in that same vein.  In DA:O at least you could manipulate your way into becoming Prince/Princess Regent or Chancellor and do plenty of evil things along the way. 

 

Throne of Bhaal had a great evil ending.  The entire time I was playing I kept expecting some kind of rewarding outcome...a la Inquisitor refuses to cede power, rules with an iron fist sort of thing.  It's actually odd that it isn't there since the whole time it kind of alludes to it.  Cory even mentions the Inquisitor becoming a god.  Maybe DLC/expansion will go into that more.

[Chaos17]

OP, you picked the wrong game if you wanted to play evil

 

 

What CRPGs let you play evil... and then continue with a new game directly following in the timeline. 

 

I don't play evil - so I wouldn't know, but I really think this:  "Let me conquer the world" stuff is only ever going to show up in games that just end... with no sequels (or sequels that are in the past, future or another area altogether)

 

SO - what we're asking for is a return to single shot IPs.

 

Baldur's gate serie and Fallout serie.

Maybe tourment too but I'm not sure.

That's why people want the old c-rpg philososhy back.

 

They might be old but if you hadn't played them because you're too young or [insert reason] then you should give them a try so you won't say that it doesn't exist anymore.

[Rifneno]

could shepard ask to join the reapers ? no , right?

You could certainly pander to them.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Chaos17:  That's fine - but you're getting indies that will probably allow this.

 

Not sure about the end to Wasteland 2... but perhaps Pillars of Eternity will allow you to kick puppies and steal candy till your hearts content.  I dunno.

 

Bioware's ship has sailed - and their course is not wrong, it's just not exactly what you want.

[Kinsz]

Corypheus is a person and you could ask him to let you join ,archdemon was pretty much force of nature that destroyed everything on its path there is no way you could join him.Mass effect on side offered very little freedom in terms of player character and let you decide only if you are idealistic or pragmatic/cynical but you always love alliance etc.

You still could have served its cause by killing all your companions and fight with the darkspawns , no? ridiculous claim is ridiculous.

Thing is people are running out of things to whine about so the result? threads like these.

[Kinsz]

You could certainly pander to them.

How exactly ?

[Rifneno]

How exactly ?

Green text was too subtle?

[Rawgrim]

You still could have served its cause by killing all your companions and fight with the darkspawns , no? ridiculous claim is ridiculous.

Thing is people are running out of things to whine about so the result? threads like these.

 

The darkspawn arn't really intelligent enough to let anyone join. They are pretty much animals.

[MKDAWUSS]

The main story was DAO with B-level (or C-level) material.

 

I didn't get to do what I thought I was able to do, primarily in terms of customization.

 

It wasn't *bad* but it could have been so much better. If it only delivered what it advertised.

[Kinsz]

Green text was too subtle?

i guess it was:-) i have done 3 ME3 runs and i hve yet to actually get talk to starchild as i refuse to play the ending. but anyways i have seen it on youtube i wouldnt call that joining them.

[Kinsz]

The darkspawn arn't really intelligent enough to let anyone join. They are pretty much animals.

Well why arent they intelligent enough to let you do so ? bad game.

[Father_Jerusalem]

KOTOR, and the  games after that one did. If a game suffers from too many cutscenes, though, the best option would be to just cut down on them. Stop putting the player in the passenger's seat and put him back into the driver's seat again.

 

The Star Wars universe has a clearly defined "Light Side/Dark Side" dichotomy in it. Even then, going full Dark Side, you still don't have the option to join Malak. You still don't have the option to hire Calo Nord to run around and kill Jawas for you. You still have to go and track down the map to the Star Forge on four specific planets, you can't just say "**** this noise, I'm going to Five Guys."