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[KC_Prototype]

Since the Amell family is from Kirkwall which is in the Free Marches, does that make the Amell mage Warden a Free Marcher who was sent to the Ferelden circle, thus they are not a Fereldan? If so, then the only origin that is a Ferelden is the Human noble and city elf. 

[theskymoves]

Since the Amell family is from Kirkwall which is in the Free Marches, does that make the Amell mage Warden a Free Marcher who was sent to the Ferelden circle, thus they are not a Fereldan? If so, then the only origin that is a Ferelden is the Human noble and city elf. 

 

From what I recall, there's nothing to suggest that a Surana Warden isn't Fereldan.

[Merle McClure II]

Although it's possible that Amell is a foreigner, it's also just as possible that some members of the Amell family migrated to Fereldan in the past and that she is indeed Fereldan born. Either way she is stated to have been taken to the Circle "very young" so for all intents and purposes she might as well be Fereldan.

[TheChosenOne]

Imagine if the Mage Warden went to the kirkwall Circle ........

 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Although it's possible that Amell is a foreigner, it's also just as possible that some members of the Amell family migrated to Fereldan in the past and that she is indeed Fereldan born. Either way she is stated to have been taken to the Circle "very young" so for all intents and purposes she might as well be Fereldan.

The Human Mage is stated in DA2 to have been born in the Free Marches, if I understand correctly. Though you're right on the other point.

[Merle McClure II]

Warden Amell being sent to Kirkwall Circle ... yeah Darkspawn Chronicles here we come.  On the bright side, Thedas wouldn't have to worry about the Mage/Templar War since Anders is dead.

 

 

Warden Amell being born a Free Marcher ... hmm, I must have missed that but from looking at the wiki yeah it seems that Warden Amell was indeed born a Free Marcher ... wonder if one of her siblings ended up at the Kirkwall Circle or if the Chantry shipped them all out of the city either out of respect for the disgraced nobles or simply to keep them further from the truth. 

[Lavaeolus]

Since the Amell family is from Kirkwall which is in the Free Marches, does that make the Amell mage Warden a Free Marcher who was sent to the Ferelden circle, thus they are not a Fereldan? If so, then the only origin that is a Ferelden is the Human noble and city elf. 

Don't forget the Elf Mage. The developers never specify where they came from, but you can say you're from Denerim's Alienage or Lothering IIRC. Or say you don't remember.

 

Regardless, probably somewhere in Ferelden.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Warden Amell being sent to Kirkwall Circle ... yeah Darkspawn Chronicles here we come.  On the bright side, Thedas wouldn't have to worry about the Mage/Templar War since Anders is dead.

 

 

Warden Amell being born a Free Marcher ... hmm, I must have missed that but from looking at the wiki yeah it seems that Warden Amell was indeed born a Free Marcher ... wonder if one of her siblings ended up at the Kirkwall Circle or if the Chantry shipped them all out of the city either out of respect for the disgraced nobles or simply to keep them further from the truth. 

They would have been kept out of the Kirkwall Circle so that their local noble relatives would have been less capable of helping them subvert the system, but I don't think the Templars would have tried to hide the truth of their ancestry from the mages. (Respect for the disgraced nobles might be a part of it, but not a large one: if the Templars wanted the mages not to encounter their still-noble relatives, they could arrange it in other ways.)

[GT409]

This talk of "What if Amell was sent to the Kirkwall Circle?" made me think that Amell was only sent to the Ferelden Circle if the Human Mage origin was chosen. When one of the other origins is picked, there are things that imply that the other origins also happened, but Duncan wasn't there to intervene - Brosca's corpse can be found while going through the Carta's base.

 

While the events of the Mage origin are the same for Amell and Surana, the "default" mage would be Surana, as Amell would only be in Ferelden if Human Mage was selected. If one of the other six origins were selected, Amell was sent to one of the Circles in Orlais or Nevarra instead of Ferelden. I assume that Marcher city rivalry would be the reason Amell was not sent to the Circle in Starkhaven or Ostwick.

 

Note: I realise that this doesn't explain what happens to Surana if the Human Mage origin was selected. Maybe Surana's parents were discreet enough to make sure their child's magic was never discovered.

[TheChosenOne]

This talk of "What if Amell was sent to the Kirkwall Circle?" made me think that Amell was only sent to the Ferelden Circle if the Human Mage origin was chosen. When one of the other origins is picked, there are things that imply that the other origins also happened, but Duncan wasn't there to intervene - Brosca's corpse can be found while going through the Carta's base.

 

While the events of the Mage origin are the same for Amell and Surana, the "default" mage would be Surana, as Amell would only be in Ferelden if Human Mage was selected. If one of the other six origins were selected, Amell was sent to one of the Circles in Orlais or Nevarra instead of Ferelden. I assume that Marcher city rivalry would be the reason Amell was not sent to the Circle in Starkhaven or Ostwick.

 

Note: I realise that this doesn't explain what happens to Surana if the Human Mage origin was selected. Maybe Surana's parents were discreet enough to make sure their child's magic was never discovered.

 

Actually, this is what happens if the Mage origin is not selected, from the DA wiki; " Jowan escapes from the Circle of Magi; the would-be-mage Warden is presumably punished (along with Lily) by the Circle and/or Chantry, or both, or otherwise killed or twisted into an abomination during the events at the circle tower later on."  The Mage warden is still sent to the Ferelden's Circle.

[Merle McClure II]

Perhaps a bit of a stretch, but when you are a Mage, you hear about another pupil who "disappeared" last week ... since we're led to believe that all Six Origins exist no matter what then I'd posit that whichever Mage Origin you consider "secondary" failed their Harrowing and the "primary" one was caught up in Jowan's escape plot.

[HeliusOD]

Doesn't Hawk mentions something about his cousin being the hero or Ferelden?

[Merle McClure II]

If you imported a save where Warden Amell was The Hero of Ferelden then yeah I'm pretty sure that Hawke would mention it, but "Official Canon" is that the Hero of Ferelden was Lyna Mahariel, a Dalish Warrior who died killing the Archdemon.

 

 

By contrast, in MY Canon Warden Rebekah Amell was indeed The Hero of Ferelden as well as being King Alistair's mistress.   

[theskymoves]

Doesn't Hawk mentions something about his cousin being the hero or Ferelden?

 

I'm currently playing DA2 with an Amell import, and Leandra Hawke talks about the family connection to the HoF as does Hawke in the MotA DLC. (And I think Bethany mentions it as well.)

 

And since my Amell's backstory was devised prior to DA2, and thus she is decidedly NOT related to those annoying Kirkwallers, it amuses me to no end to hear them going on and on about how they are related to She Who Saved the World and Stuff. (Silly name dropping climbers!)

[sylvanaerie]

I'm currently playing DA2 with an Amell import, and Leandra Hawke talks about the family connection to the HoF as does Hawke in the MotA DLC. (And I think Bethany mentions it as well.)

Cullen also mentions the Amell Warden if that import was chosen for DA2--at least the female, not sure about the male.

[Merle McClure II]

Oh ... something that I thought about after posting regarding the "default" Mages if Ducan recruited one of the other four possible Wardens.

 

 

--- I think that what is most likely is that Mage Surana failed her Harrowing and was killed. The reason I think this is that unlike Amell she has one of three backgrounds that can be chosen by the Player so it's "neater" to simple have her be the "disappeared one".

 

 

Amell on the other hand probably helped Jowan escape and was punished by the Templars/Irving. I think this because although I personally side with Irving the quest does seem to "flow" more naturally the other direction.