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[the_devils_aid]

Silent is the kind of person that wont copy a CD unless they get a certificate from the cd maker.



also obvious troll is obvious. no sane rational human would think that taking advantage of an opportunity like that is sinful.

[HiroLSX]

alright I'm sad all these post and no facepalm yet? Deals choice on which facepalms

[Deflagratio]

Silent Friend wrote...

- So, rather than attempt to be forthright with your wrongdoings, you would attempt to deny or defend your positions as criminals (which is indefensible, mind you) by labeling me a 'troll'.

I find that very interesting on two accounts:

1.) As the point about welfare or social security was entirely applicable to this situation. For example, those on welfare get the hard-earned dollars of the formal working force for being incapable of supporting themselves. One underlying principle here is that irresponsibility is to be rewarded - however this should not be the case. Another is that people get access to something that isn't rightfully theirs. In the case of welfare and SS, it's money that they did not earn. In other words, it's a hand-out for those not responsible enough to rely upon themselves.

Just as the case with the stolen CE armour content, those who didn't go through the proper process of buying the CE still get access to CE content and for free no less while those who went through the lawful way had to pay extra for it! That sounds like people who were irresponsible, downloaded content that they didn't have a right to were rewarded for stealing.

2.) The other account that makes name-calling meaningless is that you are essentially trolling by not outright admitting you're dirty thieves, which you are. You're proving yourselves liars, as well.

Thane's input:

Modifié par Deflagratio, 26 janvier 2010 - 03:05 .

[Galluskek]

To Silent Friend,

As a PC purchaser of the Collector's Edition, I am outraged! Not at the DLC, mind you, just your accusations of irresponsibility and weakness and a lack of ethics on the part of those that seized the opportunity afforded them by Microsoft. No one is being hurt by the downloading. Neither Bioware nor EA, (well, almost no one, MS is in for some real hurting) stand to lose anything by this as the biggest value comes from the other, non-leaked bonuses. They would not have sold the items in the future, it is not a mutiplayer game, so you have not had any advantages stripped from you. If any potential customer were to stumble on it hey would have an incentive to purchase.

Also, your idea that everyone on social security or welfare is a dirty free loader and an irresponsible person is a bit pessimistic and presumptuous. This is the safety net that allows for the opportunities and flexibility for socio-economic mobility that make the US great, or the EU for that matter. If you have the will, and the drive, welfare can give you a chance to be more than the circumstances that have been forced upon you. Although the redistribution of wealth is a dangerous implement, the systems that you detest have proved over time to be a net benefit to society.

For the record, I am on the public dole. How else is a physicist supposed to do any pure research? Instruments are expensive. Well, maybe not the public dole, but I benefit from the taxes you pay, and you benefit from the stuff I learn.

And while I would normally loathe to do so, I wish you ill fortune and the ability to experience what can happen even if you are responsible. It will broaden your understanding of the world, and perhaps allow you to get over your limited perspective of a binary universe.

I leave you with this, from another game:

If our society seems more nihilistic than that of previous eras,
perhaps this is simply a sign of our maturity as a sentient species. As
our collective consciousness expands beyond a crucial point, we are at
last ready to accept life's fundamental truth: that life's only purpose
is life itself.

--Chairman Shen-ji Yang, Essays on Mind and Matter

---

One more deep philosophical musing, if you'll allow it, you're a troll. GTFO and stop ruining a day filled with anxious excitement.

Modifié par Galluskek, 26 janvier 2010 - 03:10 .

[Bigeyez]

If you're going to make a troll thread at least put effort into. Minus 50 DKP for the fail troll attempt.

[Woofeyn]

Jesus dude, all that text dedicated to a troll. Chill out, smoke more.

[Galluskek]

Woofeyn wrote...

Jesus dude, all that text dedicated to a troll. Chill out, smoke more.

I've been looking for an excuse to vent on a whiner and the STO forums won't let me get a word in edgewise.

[the_devils_aid]

Deflagratio wrote...

Silent Friend wrote...

- So, rather than attempt to be forthright with your wrongdoings, you would attempt to deny or defend your positions as criminals (which is indefensible, mind you) by labeling me a 'troll'.

I find that very interesting on two accounts:

1.) As the point about welfare or social security was entirely applicable to this situation. For example, those on welfare get the hard-earned dollars of the formal working force for being incapable of supporting themselves. One underlying principle here is that irresponsibility is to be rewarded - however this should not be the case. Another is that people get access to something that isn't rightfully theirs. In the case of welfare and SS, it's money that they did not earn. In other words, it's a hand-out for those not responsible enough to rely upon themselves.

Just as the case with the stolen CE armour content, those who didn't go through the proper process of buying the CE still get access to CE content and for free no less while those who went through the lawful way had to pay extra for it! That sounds like people who were irresponsible, downloaded content that they didn't have a right to were rewarded for stealing.

2.) The other account that makes name-calling meaningless is that you are essentially trolling by not outright admitting you're dirty thieves, which you are. You're proving yourselves liars, as well.

Thane's input:

haha

[HiroLSX]

Hey Gall seeing how your a physicist...Where the hell is our FTL Stuff man I wanna get off this rock.

[lisakover]

I love seeing threads like this and the Gamestop ran out of codes thread.



Makes downloading all 9 pieces even sweeter and I'll be Ebaying my actual codes.

[IRoNM4yN3 138]

Deflagratio wrote...

Silent Friend wrote...

- So, rather than attempt to be forthright with your wrongdoings, you would attempt to deny or defend your positions as criminals (which is indefensible, mind you) by labeling me a 'troll'.

I find that very interesting on two accounts:

1.) As the point about welfare or social security was entirely applicable to this situation. For example, those on welfare get the hard-earned dollars of the formal working force for being incapable of supporting themselves. One underlying principle here is that irresponsibility is to be rewarded - however this should not be the case. Another is that people get access to something that isn't rightfully theirs. In the case of welfare and SS, it's money that they did not earn. In other words, it's a hand-out for those not responsible enough to rely upon themselves.

Just as the case with the stolen CE armour content, those who didn't go through the proper process of buying the CE still get access to CE content and for free no less while those who went through the lawful way had to pay extra for it! That sounds like people who were irresponsible, downloaded content that they didn't have a right to were rewarded for stealing.

2.) The other account that makes name-calling meaningless is that you are essentially trolling by not outright admitting you're dirty thieves, which you are. You're proving yourselves liars, as well.

Thane's input:

yes. this...win. epic win. +10 internets for you good sir, the look on thanes face is priceless.

fail troll is fail. hes been in every topic about this whining that he wants to sue bioware, or that those who got free content should be prosecuted. it was FREE. get over it. and the people who bought the CE werent paying for the armor and gun, they were paying for all the other extra stuff, its called "BONUS dlc for a reason"

[Galluskek]

Every time we run a test, the lead scientist is never heard from again. We figure the problem is with all the asari consorts.



I'd fix it if I wasn't next on the list.

[BWDII]

nom nom troll food good

[AaronRiley08]

HAHAHA! seriously is it bad that this whole topic is the most amusing thing that i will probably read or hear all week.



and for the record those who did get the dlc for free props to you, i paid my 10 dollars i am unlucky



and silent? you cant compare it to stealing a womans purse when she sets it down cause its not the same its more along the lines of a disgruntled employee putting an item on the shelf that isnt for sale yet and puts a big free sticker on it and gives it to the first person who asks, its not the fault of the person who recieved its the fault of the employee, which if you actually have employees it wouldnt suprise me if this happens to you, not that i believe that you are over 16 or have employees......

[GnusmasTHX]

OP is entirely irresponsible, thread doesn't hold up.

[HiroLSX]

Galluskek wrote...

Every time we run a test, the lead scientist is never heard from again. We figure the problem is with all the asari consorts.

I'd fix it if I wasn't next on the list.

Fine but get me on that list might as well have some fun in some way if I'm still waiting to get off this rock I call home.

[Galluskek]

HiroLSX wrote...

Galluskek wrote...

Every time we run a test, the lead scientist is never heard from again. We figure the problem is with all the asari consorts.

I'd fix it if I wasn't next on the list.

Fine but get me on that list might as well have some fun in some way if I'm still waiting to get off this rock I call home.

You would be surprised how long that list is getting.

[topekaguy]

****ing moron OP is a ****ing moron.

[merikano]

The only difference between what happened this morning and your typical everyday piracy was the method of download: host to client instead of peer to peer. That's it and using different forms of downloading isn't a crime.



Should they be punished? No more so than any other theft of intellectual property. Of course since prosecutors can't imprison or fine millions of people they pick out a handful and the courts typically levy the fines of millions on a few dozen individuals.



"I just downloaded twelve songs!"



"And you will pay ten thousand dollars per download - court finds the defendant to pay one hundred twenty thousand dollars in fine, court adjourned."



There's an ammendment in our country that supposedly protects people from "cruel and unusual punishment." I'm not saying don't prosecute, what I am saying is let the time (or fine) fit the crime.

[HiroLSX]

Galluskek wrote...

HiroLSX wrote...

Galluskek wrote...

Every time we run a test, the lead scientist is never heard from again. We figure the problem is with all the asari consorts.

I'd fix it if I wasn't next on the list.

Fine but get me on that list might as well have some fun in some way if I'm still waiting to get off this rock I call home.

You would be surprised how long that list is getting.

I'm sure I can bet or well back to waiting. For the OP I come from WoW so I'm use to the best QQ and your tears feed us.

[lisakover]

>Implying it wouldn't be laughed out of court.

[acidproof]

merikano wrote...

The only difference between what happened this morning and your typical everyday piracy was the method of download: host to client instead of peer to peer. That's it and using different forms of downloading isn't a crime.

Should they be punished? No more so than any other theft of intellectual property. Of course since prosecutors can't imprison or fine millions of people they pick out a handful and the courts typically levy the fines of millions on a few dozen individuals.

"I just downloaded twelve songs!"

"And you will pay ten thousand dollars per download - court finds the defendant to pay one hundred twenty thousand dollars in fine, court adjourned."

There's an ammendment in our country that supposedly protects people from "cruel and unusual punishment." I'm not saying don't prosecute, what I am saying is let the time (or fine) fit the crime.

The only difference between what happened this morning and piracy is that what happened this morning isn't piracy. Your example is a fallacy. The illicit download of songs was illegal because the artist or record companies never intended the songs to be distributed for free. Not so with this DLC release as they were ALWAYS intended to be free. People are trying real hardware to equate this with piracy, it just doesn't add up. I'm reasonalby certain that if IGN was caught advocating piracy, heads would roll.

I bought the CE and kudos to those who got the DLC.

[Phate Phoenix]

Silent Friend wrote...

- I am just being a responsible citizen, resting and getting ready for work. Anyone that downloaded the CE armour is a thief and should be prosecuted.

Anyone that works for me that shows up tired because they stayed up until the wee hours in the morning is fired on the spot. I don't tolerate irresponsible people.

I also don't believe in welfare and food stamps. If you can't earn your keep, then you need to starve to death. Social Security is a bad joke. Why should I fund your retirement? I'll never see any of that money.

I just hate to see irresponsibility being rewarded.

Of course, BioWare should also be sued for their false advertising but they will be rewarded handsomely with their Mass Profits regardless of this poorly-handled debacle (that I fully believe was intentional).

[SilasWolfe]

wow man you must have max Renegade

[IRoNM4yN3 138]

Phate Phoenix wrote...

Silent Friend wrote...

- I am just being a responsible citizen, resting and getting ready for work. Anyone that downloaded the CE armour is a thief and should be prosecuted.

Anyone that works for me that shows up tired because they stayed up until the wee hours in the morning is fired on the spot. I don't tolerate irresponsible people.

I also don't believe in welfare and food stamps. If you can't earn your keep, then you need to starve to death. Social Security is a bad joke. Why should I fund your retirement? I'll never see any of that money.

I just hate to see irresponsibility being rewarded.

Of course, BioWare should also be sued for their false advertising but they will be rewarded handsomely with their Mass Profits regardless of this poorly-handled debacle (that I fully believe was intentional).

haha that ones awesome too