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[garrusfan1]

I think it was a demon personally.

[KCMeredith]

I think I'm missing something here, what would some random demon gain from posing as Fiona and inviting you to Redcliffe?

[Storvacker]

I think Dorian makes it pretty clear that Alexius time-travelled to steal the alliance out from under you.

[AntiChri5]

I think I'm missing something here, what would some random demon gain from posing as Fiona and inviting you to Redcliffe?

It's working with the Templars, impersonating the Commander on his orders. Your meeting with "Fiona" happens right after your meeting with the demon impersonating the commander. You have to choose between going to the mages or Templars. By baiting you towards the mages at redcliffe, it diverts your attention away from it's activities.

[Bigdoser]

I think Dorian makes it pretty clear that Alexius time-travelled to steal the alliance out from under you.

he does don't get the idea where people think its the demon when its occupied with the templars. The demon is handling the templars while tevinter is handling the mages. 

[errantknight]

Time travel certainly made the mage mission feel cheap.

I thought it was awesome, actually. It was really fun going to disaster-future and it raised the stakes a lot.

[Sports72Xtrm]

The same demon is working for the Elder One is it not? Why would it undermine its master and deny him his mages.

[Xilizhra]

The same demon is working for the Elder One is it not? Why would it undermine its master and deny him his mages.

Corypheus wants to rip the Anchor from the Herald's body, and the Venatori would probably be better at extracting it than the Red Templars. This seems like the likely reason Alexius tried to trap us, in addition to the reason that the Venatori weren't happier about the future than anyone else; with the Herald having vanished, Corypheus was unable to retrieve the Anchor, and presumably blamed Alexius for it.

[Kantr]

It's time travel. Perhaps the anchor makes you immune or Alexius casts his time travel just as you reach redcliffe. Which is where you encounter the fade rift that warps time, so maybe being in that time warp shielded you from the effects of it and caused you to remember the previous time-line.

 

Alexius' time travel liekly makes alternative time-lines rather than re-writing time itself as otherwise he would have had a paradox.

 

Which probably makes the companion sacrifices a bit less worthwhile as you are leaving a world that is screwed up to yet another time-line.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Corypheus wants to rip the Anchor from the Herald's body, and the Venatori would probably be better at extracting it than the Red Templars. This seems like the likely reason Alexius tried to trap us, in addition to the reason that the Venatori weren't happier about the future than anyone else; with the Herald having vanished, Corypheus was unable to retrieve the Anchor, and presumably blamed Alexius for it.

Corypheus himself was going to extract the anchor, if it was even possible...

[OdanUrr]

That was an envy demon, right? Because Fiona in Redcliffe has no memory of ever speaking to the Inquisitor? Do we ever learn what's up with that demon?

 

Fiona being a demon serving Alexius, while possible, doesn't make sense since Alexius wouldn't want the Inquisitor poking around Redcliffe.

 

What happened, as I understand it, is this: Fiona and her rebel mages sought asylum in Ferelden and were permitted to stay at Redcliffe. At some point, realizing their desperate situation, she travels to Val Royeaux to seek the Inquisition's support. Alexius, however, decides to travel back in time to a point before Fiona decides to go to Val Royeaux (after the Inquisition is formed but before it becomes important enough to notice) and presents himself as the mages' only choice. Fiona hastily accepts. Since the Inquisitor remembers the encounter (as well as his companions, etc.) and, well, your progress in the Hinterlands isn't altered, Alexius' temporal spell must have been centered on Redcliffe, perhaps the immediate surrounding area even.

[introverted_assassin]

I believe this question is answered once you catch up to Lord Seeker Lucius.

[EdwinLi]

It was mind control as it was explained in Templar Side version for Battle of Haven.

 

If you side with the Templars, during battle of Haven Fiona will be the boss at the catapult being that she has fallen under Mind Control along with the other surviving rebel mages by the Venatori. 

 

So ya it not time travel but Mind Control Magic.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

It's working with the Templars, impersonating the Commander on his orders. Your meeting with "Fiona" happens right after your meeting with the demon impersonating the commander. You have to choose between going to the mages or Templars. By baiting you towards the mages at redcliffe, it diverts your attention away from it's activities.

What he said. The envy demon plays 2 cards at once.

[OdanUrr]

What he said. The envy demon plays 2 cards at once.

 

It makes no sense. Why would Corypheus purposefully try to draw you to the mages? If anything, he'd try to keep you away from all his activities.

[ttestagr]

It was mind control as it was explained in Templar Side version for Battle of Haven.

 

If you side with the Templars, during battle of Haven Fiona will be the boss at the catapult being that she has fallen under Mind Control along with the other surviving rebel mages by the Venatori. 

 

So ya it not time travel but Mind Control Magic.

 

It was time magic as well, that was pretty much outright stated.  Considering Fiona's 'decision' was based entirely on fear I think its a pretty safe guess that she was whammied by the Nightmare as well as time travel. 

[Lavaeolus]

It makes no sense. Why would Corypheus purposefully try to draw you to the mages? If anything, he'd try to keep you away from all his activities.

Not really sure what goes on myself, but under this idea: the Venatori are setting a trap for you. See, you go the mages, you're erased from the timestream. This solves a lot of issues for Corypheus, since you essentially broke his actual plan just before character creation begins. Corypheus gets his anchor, does things, happy ending. Meanwhile, the templars are corrupted just in case this fails, creating for him an army of body-horror'd monsters.

 

If you go to the templars I suppose he goes, "Oh well, we've got these mages anyway, guess we'll go fling them at the sod. Fireballs work too, I guess."

[GrinningRogue]

I thought it was Dorian using illusion spells. He didn't get the hair and the attitude right.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Also remember that its mentioned that this time spell is very unstable. It seemed to be centered over Redcliffe and making time unstable there. A very dangerous magic.

Of course, this means that people are perhaps too harsh on Fiona. She in fact did try to make an alliance with the Inquisition but Alexius intervened. It means that the your Inquisitor is actually traveling back in time when you enter Redcliffe. Also, Fiona seems to imply that Alexius had infiltrated agents within the free mages and helped push the vote for siding with Tevinter. In which case Fiona is getting far more hate and blame for what happened in game then is warranted.

[SgtSteel91]

Also remember that its mentioned that this time spell is very unstable. It seemed to be centered over Redcliffe and making time unstable there. A very dangerous magic.

Of course, this means that people are perhaps too harsh on Fiona. She in fact did try to make an alliance with the Inquisition but Alexius intervened. It means that the your Inquisitor is actually traveling back in time when you enter Redcliffe. Also, Fiona seems to imply that Alexius had infiltrated agents within the free mages and helped push the vote for siding with Tevinter. In which case Fiona is getting far more hate and blame for what happened in game then is warranted.

 

It's almost like the true enemy is having agents of chaos sowed into the Mages and Templars and corrupt them for within into crazy monsters perverting their own ideals.

[LobselVith8]

he does don't get the idea where people think its the demon when its occupied with the templars. The demon is handling the templars while tevinter is handling the mages. 

 

True, Dorian does say that. Alexius sent Tevinter spies into Redcliffe right after the cataclysm. It's never explained whether or not it was really Fiona in Orlais, and Fiona admits that she "feels strange" when the Inquisitor mentions meeting her in Orlais.

[Hazegurl]

The only thing I get out of it is that while the Mages were held up in Redcliffe Fiona headed to Val Royeaux  to convince the Inquisitor to  meet them at Redcliffe. At the time the Venatori weren't there. When Fiona returns to Redcliffe, Alexius time travels ahead to Redcliffe, then alters time preventing Fiona from going to Val Royeaux.

 

Or he kills present time Fiona (who met with the Inquisitor) and brings past Fiona to the present timeline, before she meets the Inquisitor. So present Fiona would have remembered her meeting with the Inquisitor but past Fiona in present time wouldn't.  This one makes much more sense to me.

[Steelcan]

The only thing I get out of it is that while the Mages were held up in Redcliffe Fiona headed to Val Royeaux  to convince the Inquisitor to  meet them at Redcliffe. At the time the Venatori weren't there. When Fiona returns to Redcliffe, Alexius time travels ahead to Redcliffe, then alters time preventing Fiona from going to Val Royeaux.

 

Or he kills present time Fiona (who met with the Inquisitor) and brings past Fiona to the present timeline, before she meets the Inquisitor. So present Fiona would have remembered her meeting with the Inquisitor but past Fiona in present time wouldn't.  This one makes much more sense to me.

this is why time travel shouldn't be used >.>

[Knight of Dane]

I always assumed it was an illusion Dorian conjured, y'know to direct the Herald towards the Venatori.

[Lulupab]

this is why time travel shouldn't be used >.>

 

That's is also why its used lol, to make people think hard and wonder about it. I mean just take a look at this: