To be honest, I'm really disappointed that the save the town/save the fort quest is no longer there. Not only because it would be a cool feature, but because of the impact it can have on companions and such. I mean... they dedicated a cutscene to Varric mourning the loss of the villagers in a really emotional and touching way.
I was really looking forward to playing through that scene and I'm really disappointed it's gone now.
You're advocating for a state of affairs in which developers and publishers are not held accountable for the things they say. No thank you. We, as a community of consumers, need to stand up for ourselves and demand better treatment by the people asking for our money.
You can make them accountable by not buying their games, you know?
People need to stop acting like Bioware forced them to play the game.
Yes, because being able to critique a game without playing it totally makes sense.
And all the advertising was totally not misleading at all.
/sarcasm
To be honest, I'm really disappointed that the save the town/save the fort quest is no longer there. Not only because it would be a cool feature, but because of the impact it can have on companions and such. I mean... they dedicated a cutscene to Varric mourning the loss of the villagers in a really emotional and touching way.
I was really looking forward to playing through that scene and I'm really disappointed it's gone now.
Yea I agree to as I was looking forward to a more immersed atmosphere. I'm sure they ran into bugs with a lot of the things interfering with one another and had to remove them Prior to launch. Many good questions on the forums but with so much hatred and blame it gets annoying reading them all. I don't Hate bioware for not adding in this content they Mentioned, I'm upset and disappointed in them Not explaining why some features are not included as advertised. But sometimes in advertisement's they put in extra movies and cut scene that are not part of the game, if that wasn't the case the game play would be like the Epic battles like the one they showed for DA1 and 2 advertisements.
Yes, because being able to critique a game without playing it totally makes sense.
And all the advertising was totally not misleading at all.
/sarcasm
If DA:I was the moment you found out advertising is a lie... then I give up.
Stronghold DLC... It'll happen...
Free or paid?
It bothers me greatly that this major feature seems to be missing--and without a word from BioWare. We have to stop cutting developers and publishers slack when they say something and don't follow through: they get away with this bait-and-switch behavior because we continue to accept it. Once you say something, you should commit; to do anything less is to be untrustworthy--realities of software development be damned. It's not like we didn't see this feature in action.
I have a way better idea: everything they say before the game's actually released, you take with a pinch of salt.
Do it. Don't buy their games anymore. Leave the forums.
Make them feel it.
"Welcome to your first day of medical school. Thanks very much for paying your tuition fees that keep us lecturers in a job for the year. Now, while some of you may be expecting that you'll be finishing up in 4 years time able to perform medical miracles and save people's lives, we had a straw poll and decided that we'll be taking out the anatomy classes. We're also going to be removing any work involving diagnosis of cardiovascular issues, but we'll show you a couple of pictures of hearts and lungs and that should be enough for the majority of you.
"If you feel that you've been mis-sold this course, and don't think it's living up to what we promised you in the prospectus, please feel free to leave, without complaint, and don't consider any more courses at our university. There's plenty of other idiots out there that'll keep paying us the fees anyway, and defending our institution despite us dropping the ball in a couple of very high profile cases a few years ago involving malpractice suits being brought against us. Just because we advertised something on our syllabus doesn't mean we actually offer it - what sort of moron believes what the advertising tells them? False advertising legislation? Pfft! We scoff at that sort of thing."
Advertising is the means that companies use to generate interest in a product. It's what encourages people to part with their hard-earned money even before they've actually been able to take use of what they're spending that money on. If you took out a mortgage on a house before it was finished being built, and that house had a missing bedroom, no plug sockets, and the roof wasn't there, you'd be in a court suing the hell out of the people that took your money. While a game may "only" be entertainment, and not a necessity, the people creating it are taking money under false pretences, which is just as illegal as a university or a construction company taking your money off you and not providing what you've paid for - the only difference is the cost, but at what point would you start actually taking this seriously? £50? £500? It's all just haggling over something which is illegal in the first place.
Yeah man, great going. Equating a game to a medical education.
If this thing is 'just as illegal', sue them.
I'll anxiously be awaiting the sentencing.
I was really excited for this feature as well but in all honesty I think they spread themselves a little thin with the amount of content already present in the game.
Yeah man, great going. Equating a game to a medical education.
If this thing is 'just as illegal', sue them.
I'll anxiously be awaiting the sentencing.
See my last sentence in the post - it's all just haggling over the price. So...
"Yeah man, great going. Not even reading my post properly before dismissing it.
"Since this is just a game, I don't care that I've been ripped off.
"I'll just watch you annoy people on the Feedback board by pointing out their views are irrelevant despite them paying for something they didn't get because you choose to whiteknight for a multibillion dollar company who are consistently voted the worst and most immoral company in the world".
I am disappointed, personally. I do want to ask though, why some of you others, who are understandably disappointed say the things you do. Can you not be upset about the missing features without going into apoplectic rage? Take the guy above me as example..."worst and most immoral company, in the world" Seriously Hakster you are REALLY saying this? How completely unfounded do you wish to be here?, to state this GAMES company as the MOST IMMORAL. OK, well how about the supermarket giants who allow diseased poultry in their stock, which adversely affect us? How about Walmart the parent company of Asda, who pretty much allow Asda to sell poultry, when near 45% of it is contaminated...Or how about the weapons companies who much prefer a world at war to one at peace...or heck, how about most religion, for that matter...or heck, how about the constitutional ruling body that runs whatever country you are from, and no doubt breaks any number of laws in secret for the sake of supplying a nation? Gosh, the list could go on and on for a very long time before you get to Bioware.
I am disappointed, personally. I do want to ask though, why some of you others, who are understandably disappointed say the things you do. Can you not be upset about the missing features without going into apoplectic rage? Take the guy above me as example..."worst and most immoral company, in the world" Seriously Hakster you are REALLY saying this? How completely unfounded do you wish to be here?, to state this GAMES company as the MOST IMMORAL. OK, well how about the supermarket giants who allow diseased poultry in their stock, which adversely affect us? How about Walmart the parent company of Asda, who pretty much allow Asda to sell poultry, when near 45% of it is contaminated...Or how about the weapons companies who much prefer a world at war to one at peace...or heck, how about most religion, for that matter...or heck, how about the constitutional ruling body that runs whatever country you are from, and no doubt breaks any number of laws in secret for the sake of supplying a nation? Gosh, the list could go on and on for a very long time before you get to Bioware.
http://www.polygon.c...in-america-race
At least they got removed this year, but 2012 and 2013, they were voted worst company. I'm not making this up, I'm sorry to say.
So you're advocating adding paid DLC for features which were advertised to ship with the game? That's only encouraging them, and reinforcing the notion that the gaming community are a crowd of idiots who'll pay for anything at all. If they say "X feature will be included", then they don't include it, that last thing you should do is say "Oh, I'll pay you $100 for that feature" when what you should be saying is "You sold me a product under false pretences, I'll be returning your product to the retailer for a full refund and filing a motion for false advertising on your part"
Hakster is absolutely right on this. We would be complete idiots to take this attitude of " Ooh great Bioware/EA you mislead us (PC gamers) into thinking DAI would be something almost completely different than what it actually is but that's A-OK, we'll be happy to pay whatever amount of money you deem "reasonable" if you produce any number of patches/DLC that will ameliorate the issues that should have been fixed before the game launched. Oh and please keep doing this to us for the foreseable future..."
Please people....have some friggin dignity!!!! With wholly subservient attitudes like these no wonder these companies think they can abuse their consumers anyway they want.
Free or paid?
Well duh... paid of course, it's EA after all
http://www.polygon.c...in-america-race
At least they got removed this year, but 2012 and 2013, they were voted worst company. I'm not making this up, I'm sorry to say.
I agree that the strongholds and overall the war aspect of this game, was really not what was shown to us.
Did anybody else see the scene of the Herald with the decision of saving your men or the town and assume there would be several decisions like this? I did. Meanwhile what we got was a "civil war" that you see in the Hinterlands, that disappears after you recruit a side (1 mission), and the war is done without a fight.
Leading assembled forcess into the rift itself to confrtont something was what I thought was going to be the epic storyline. Lets be honest, with all the agents and the several strongholds to take, the factions to recruit, you see them 1 time lol... No reason to build skyhold, no reason to claim and look after keeps, all so that we can kill a guy we killed already.
Is the game terrible? No. But little is as was advertised that I wanted.
It does appear to have been removed without mention, yeah. Unfortunate. But we may have gotten some of the game's best features in their place for all we know.
Ahh yes.. may have, could have, would have, should have....
On the other hand we do have facts about content cuts....all leads to pre-game sale PR bull
My entire point being here, is that there is a long list of companies of any type that can be branded immoral before you get anywhere near Bioware. I am not defending them for not realising what they promised. But seriously considering the state of this world, as in THE WORLD, where illegal wars happen, and horrible diseases are being fought, and famine is a serious issue, where peoples are loosing their cultural identities and all manner of other terrible BS is going down, like, I don't know, governments who promise a free state and people able to be free to state their thoughts, with one hand, then slyly rip those very same freedoms and liberties away, with the other. We could talk about all manner of crap like that. About people being disappeared, whole families vanishing off the face of the earth. People being slandered because what they say and more aptly what they PROVE does not sit well with the powers as be. How about an apt surname?
SNOWDEN.
Supposedly types such as Hakstar would have you believe a games company is WORSE than...I don't know, only the American constitutional government...just as an example, but NOT the only one. Seriously, Hakstar, how deluded are you?
I also noticed that. Another thing, they said we would be able to burn enemy boats. And not just by pressing a button either. They said it would require a mage using fireball or a rogue using flaming arrows or a warrior using a fire flask. I saw red templar ships on the Storm Coast, but they couldn't be burned. I have no idea why that was cut. The Exalted Plains had stacks of hay that could be set on fire. The same coding could have been set to the boats easily.
It seems like some things just didn't work well within the engine and they didn't have time to work out the kinks. Maybe it'll be patched in, maybe DLC. Sucks that it wasn't there but that's game development for ya.
Both game designers and fans should learn to not count their chickens before they're hatched. It would definitely get rid of misunderstandings like this.
Yeah, but they said that was a feature while they were in beta. Which means they either lied, or they removed a feature that was present during the beta. In the later case, why? Could they not make it work? If so, why did they say it was in there? Why not simply, surprise us in the game?
Also, this feature of burning things with actual attacks such as immolate would have been fitting for the body pits in the Exalted Plains. But no, those pits had the very "click to burn" feature they promised would NOT be in the game.
Not necessarily mad about this, I still had my mage use immolate on the pits to make it look like his magic started the fires. I'm just pointing out that BioWare promised a lot and either did not come through or did the exact opposite of what they promised.
I'm pretty sure none of this was advertised, but was in fact only seen in leaked footage.
Which can be found here.
http://www.pcgamer.c...t-and-questing/
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