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[Innarra]

This is the part that is true. I've solo'ed enough perilous with firewall alone, achieveable at level 4, that learn not to care about barrier.

 

Solo Perilous at level 4 with only Wall of Fire on your bar? Nice! I'd love to see a video of that. Also, minimum level req to get WoF is 5 btw.

 

I need to learn how to be uber and play without Barrier, but I feel like I'm too much of a team player and like giving my melee friends that healthy cushion. My greatest duo combo in Perilous is with a friend playing Reaver, WoF and Barrier makes her absolutely unstoppable...

 

What are your ability scores? My Willpower is only at 45, Cunning at 25. How would you deal with Archers by yourself? They're not going to run through your Wall of Fire.

 

There's certainly builds that can play without Barrier, but it's just too situational in Perilous, there really are times where it's a huge benefit, and creates more hardship for your group not to have it in the party. If you're playing with a Keeper, than sure, go without it and take that 4th offensive ability. I am usually the only other mage in my groups, and Barrier is so key to party success, it just makes sense to build with it. 3 offensive/cc abilities are enough.

[DrKilledbyDeath]

Only at 45? That's got to be twice as high as most people around here.

 

If you play enough without barrier you get used to it and games become super easy mode when you do have it.

[jamdjedi]

really solid class, think I like it better than Keeper

[xROLLxTIDEx]

Solo Perilous at level 4 with only Wall of Fire on your bar? Nice! I'd love to see a video of that. Also, minimum level req to get WoF is 5 btw.

I need to learn how to be uber and play without Barrier, but I feel like I'm too much of a team player and like giving my melee friends that healthy cushion. My greatest duo combo in Perilous is with a friend playing Reaver, WoF and Barrier makes her absolutely unstoppable...

What are your ability scores? My Willpower is only at 45, Cunning at 25. How would you deal with Archers by yourself? They're not going to run through your Wall of Fire.

Lmfao.

Be careful, you are about to have your post reported, removed and receive a warning for "calling out". Speaking from experience.

[DrKilledbyDeath]

Lmfao.

Be careful, you are about to have your post reported, removed and receive a warning for "calling out". Speaking from experience.

For real? So if I claim to solo perilous with a level 2 reaver, no one can doubt me or they get in trouble?

 

Hey so I just solo'd perilous with a level 2 reaver.

[ALTBOULI]

For real? So if I claim to solo perilous with a level 2 reaver, no one can doubt me or they get in trouble?

 

Hey so I just solo'd perilous with a level 2 reaver.

I solo'd perilous with a lvl 1 Katari using Inquisition gear goml scrub 

[Robbiesan]

I solo'd perilous with a lvl 1 Katari using Inquisition gear goml scrub 

 

 

Pffft.  I can solo with lvl 0 nug, without even playing; just by looking at the game.  Inq weapons be damned!

[Gya]

I solo'd perilous with a lvl 1 Katari using Inquisition gear goml scrub

Inquisition weapons 2op biower pls nerf.

[Sidney]

Like firestorm and wall of fire. Firestorm is a final room clearing machine for waves 1-4. On wave 5 you can alternate wall of Fire and firestorm to "cover" the door constantly.

[Innarra]

Lmfao.

Be careful, you are about to have your post reported, removed and receive a warning for "calling out". Speaking from experience.

 

What's all this now?

[Drasca]

Solo Perilous at level 4 with only Wall of Fire on your bar? Nice! I'd love to see a video of that. Also, minimum level req to get WoF is 5 btw.

 

I need to learn how to be uber and play without Barrier, but I feel like I'm too much of a team player and like giving my melee friends that healthy cushion. My greatest duo combo in Perilous is with a friend playing Reaver, WoF and Barrier makes her absolutely unstoppable...

 

What are your ability scores? My Willpower is only at 45, Cunning at 25. How would you deal with Archers by yourself? They're not going to run through your Wall of Fire.

 

My promoted scores are quite high now, but I've been doing this since say around December, and I don't remember what my attributes were then.

 

Note even if I don't get to the boss fight, I'd have leveled up enough to get death siphon, fire mine and firestorm into the mix, for WG FW FM FS.

 

Reaver Ele is awesome. Keep in mind they don't take damage if the enemy is panicked.

 

Cast FW after pulling around corners, note I run past melee trash mobs-- they don't even stop to attack me half the time, and pull the next group to a kill zone. Also cast it directly on top of archers.

 

Note, I do have barrier on my bar eventually (L12), but I use it for Chaotic Focus fire mines. You learn to use Barrier less when it is inappropriate or a waste to do so.

 

There are delays before the enemy attacks, and it is pointless to defensively barrier until right before the enemy actually strikes. When you barrier offensively, it is a completely other matter. Same goes for Fade Cloak.

[Innarra]

Not to mention the bonus to xp you get whenever you cast Barrier on your teammates (assist xp)

[hellbiter88]

Personally I still grab barrier. Not so much for myself but for my teammates. I've tried the without barrier build before and was surprised at how well I stayed alive. Downside was, everyone else died. Like a lot.

 

 

 

so...

[CelticRanger275]

I ran my latest build without barrier.  Perfectly fine with a good group.  Not fine with pugs.   I have to be honest, xROLLxTIDEx convinced me of the power of a barriered elementalist when he carried our pug through 5/5 RTC after we all died except for him.  I don't imagine I'll go without it again, even though I love the ability uptime on the Firestorm, Wall of Fire, Immolate, Stonefist I ran this time.  None of that **** saves my ass when I'm getting curb stomped by RTC or triple-teamed by the knock-your-ass-down demons in 5/5.

[hellbiter88]

I ran my latest build without barrier.  Perfectly fine with a good group.  Not fine with pugs.   I have to be honest, xROLLxTIDEx convinced me of the power of a barriered elementalist when he carried our pug through 5/5 RTC after we all died except for him.  I don't imagine I'll go without it again, even though I love the ability uptime on the Firestorm, Wall of Fire, Immolate, Stonefist I ran this time.  None of that **** saves my ass when I'm getting curb stomped by RTC or triple-teamed by the knock-your-ass-down demons in 5/5.

 

Im leery of going without barrier AND fade step. If I sub barrier it's almost always for fade step. Some people take stone fist... that's ok. doesn't save you when your getting peppered by archers or molested by RTC's spin. If I stand immobile, dropping fire mine's and fire walls and such, I like to have barrier. If I'm looking for a more manuverable build, I take FS.

 

If I'm playing with idiots, it's barrier's time to shine.

[Jbrizzy84]

I ran my level 19 keeper with 2 level 1 aws and a level 2 necromancer on perilous and we completed it lol was demon commander. I recorded it on xbone but I'm not sure how to share that here. Barrier pwns

[Sidney]

I use a barrier-free Elementalist and the biggest issue is people expect you to have it. That is a mistake.

The other problem with that assumption is that barrier is way, way down the chain for the Elementalist it is a late level addition because there is no way I don't go down the wall of fire side straight away. I had some guy asking why I wasn't dropping barrier on his Reaver (and Reavers are the whiniest class about barrier) with my level 10 Elementalist.

[Drasca]

Not to mention the bonus to xp you get whenever you cast Barrier on your teammates (assist xp)

 

Actually no, you do not. That's not when you gain support exp. Merely casting barrier does not grant support exp. They have to take damage while barrier is up, and a % of that counts as support exp once the foe that performed the damage dies.

 

A barrier that gets casted, and wasted because it expired and no damage was taken means no support exp from that barrier cast.

[Teophne]

Actually no, you do not. That's not when you gain support exp. Merely casting barrier does not grant support exp. They have to take damage while barrier is up, and a % of that counts as support exp once the foe that performed the damage dies.

 

A barrier that gets casted, and wasted because it expired and no damage was taken means no support exp from that barrier cast.

 

Any idea on how this XP scales against kill XP? I mean that if your team mate does 100k worth of damage and you barrier him against same amount of done damage. Which one would gain more XP if other stuff is not included?

If course this is hypothetical situation, but for example a Katari who straight melees all enemies and a Keeper barriers him as much as possible then will they receive roughly the same amount of XP.

 

While everything doesn't and shouldn't revolve around gained XP it would be nice that guarded and barriered damage can compete in XP with straight damage dealers.

[Drasca]

There are multiple skills that trigger support exp. I do not have an exhaustive list with comprehensive numbers on everything. Suffice to say, the more status conditions, barrier, and shield wall, you perform, the more support exp you'll get.

 

Katari actually get support exp from panicking enemies and knocking them down, and I believe weakness as well (need testing on that last one, unless it triggers shock and sleep).

 

I don't think guarded damage gains support exp, but I am uncertain. Shield wall blocks definitely triggers support exp.

 

A better example would be rogues that don't bring any incapacitates. They typically get plenty of damage, such as from killing via archer's lance, but don't trigger as many team combos or support exp. They don't tend to get 10k+ exp like mass aoe support exp builds do.

[yarpenthemad21]

Last time I had stone fist on ele it was plain broken, detonator part was dealing 0 damage for every combo I've tested. Without it it's just mana consuming weakness projectile. It's still that broken?

[hellbiter88]

Last time I had stone fist on ele it was plain broken, detonator part was dealing 0 damage for every combo I've tested. Without it it's just mana consuming weakness projectile. It's still that broken?

 

shouldn't be. stone fist works like a charm every time I've used it. And I have used it recently, so it shouldn't be broken for you.

[yarpenthemad21]

shouldn't be. stone fist works like a charm every time I've used it. And I have used it recently, so it shouldn't be broken for you.

 

 

Better check it next time...

 

I've tested it on ele. Wasted one skill point to check frozen combo (winter grasp + stone fist).

Nope it does not work. Shattered info shows up but there is no damage from combo (should be 800%? weapon damage as frost damage). Damage is not displayed ,damage is not done (looking at health bar), frozen is gone. It's a detonator with broken "damage" part of it.  

Tested on some wolfs, shades, rage demon on threatening. If this still won't work probably other combos also don't work. 

[hellbiter88]

Better check it next time...

 

I've tested it on ele. Wasted one skill point to check frozen combo (winter grasp + stone fist).

Nope it does not work. Shattered info shows up but there is no damage from combo (should be 800%? weapon damage as frost damage). Damage is not displayed ,damage is not done (looking at health bar), frozen is gone. It's a detonator with broken "damage" part of it.  

Tested on some wolfs, shades, rage demon on threatening. If this still won't work probably other combos also don't work. 

 

I will test the WG + SF combo myself on my next ele build then.

[akots1]

Better check it next time...

 

I've tested it on ele. Wasted one skill point to check frozen combo (winter grasp + stone fist).

Nope it does not work. Shattered info shows up but there is no damage from combo (should be 800%? weapon damage as frost damage). Damage is not displayed ,damage is not done (looking at health bar), frozen is gone. It's a detonator with broken "damage" part of it.  

Tested on some wolfs, shades, rage demon on threatening. If this still won't work probably other combos also don't work. 

Yes, sometimes it does not work. Not sure what the problem is. IMO, some frozen combos are broken. Sometimes they work well though. Long shot works well but occasionally fails to do extra damage as well. Mind blast does not detonate frozen targets quite frequently, especially off host. Maybe, something has to do with critical hit?