I'm satisfied with Sera as a romance, the only thing that angers me is that Sera is the only one that can get kicked out anytime you want and others don't, in case "she bothers them".
Others can be bothersome and yet they remain in your party.
I've only romanced Dorian, but I really like him. His companion quest was interesting to see how his sexuality is a defining characteristic for him. I love that I was able to get him to want a more long-term relationship. His flirting is fantastic. Very cute and very sassy. In general, I'm pleased with him. Outside of the romance, he's just a really fun character in general. I think Gaider really did a great job with him. He's a great character and probably my favorite DA romance so far. (But not my favorite Bioware romance).
I haven't romanced Bull yet, but I like him as BFF. He is part of my dragon hunting team (we've only got three more to go!). His personal quest was a little weak for me. I'm interested to see if I enjoy him more as a romance option. He's definitely a fun character, but he's middle of the road for me. I'm not thrilled that he's a total top (and vocal about it too), but I'll deal with that. Not the end of the world. I'm glad that they included a guy like him for us gay guys. We've been getting "pretty" guys up to this point. They were all thin with longish hair. Blech. I'll take a big strapping guy like Bull any day of the week. I've got a scrappy little dwarf rogue already created and just waiting to #ridethebull. I'll report back when I do.
Sera is tricky one. I kind of hated her at first, but she's definitely grown on me. Since they didn't give us a gay KISA, my qunari is filling that role and KISA (knight in shining armor) isn't really Sera's thing. He's a little too serious and stuffy for her, so we don't get along so well, especially at first. But she's growing on me over time and I can imagine that if I created a character with her in mind, I would probably enjoy it. I actually like the way she looks. Her whole styling is on point (including the hair) and I think she's attractive in an unconventional way. I have a lady dwarf Carta enforcer character who I'm about to get started with and I am not completely ruling out going with Sera in this romance. I'll have to see how they hit it off.
Josephine is a little 'ho hum' or 'meh' for me. She's fine, but nothing special. I think she's boring. I actually skipped some of her dialogue about Antiva because it just wouldn't end. I agree with her as far as politics, but I have no interest in her beyond being my diplomat. I originally thought for sure that she would be my lady dwarf's romance, but I just am not even remotely interested in her enough to pursue that. But she's fine. I guess. I do owe her a debt of gratitude for gambling Cullen out of his clothes. That one moment did kind of make her a little genius for me.
In general, I'm beyond pleased with the LGBT characters this game. They are a wide variety. Some are a bit cliche. Some are totally not stereotypes at all. Krem is also a great character, so I don't want to ignore him in this conversation, even though he's not a romance. I commend the DA team for this and can't wait to see what they give us next.
Hopefully a gay KISA, dammit! And a L or B lady dwarf or qunari would be amazing as well!
Well considering the scene about him wanting to go to Tevinter after, my quizzy said "What about..." Then "Take me with you." or something like that. Dorian don't go!!!!! lol
I've only done Dorian's romance and even though I dislike his personality, I thought his romance was ok. Not anywhere near as romantic as I would've liked, but it did its job decently. Personally, even though I'm not too crazy about romances in general, I do think that we gay guys need a breath of fresh air with our romances and to have someone less roguish or broody and someone more sweet or romantic and put together.
Quality deminishes after each game. I am less and less interested. As far as I am concerned put recourses to better use then romances.
Quality deminishes after each game. I am less and less interested. As far as I am concerned put recourses to better use then romances.
You think that Zevran's romance was of better quality than Dorian's?
Lesbians did not come out so well in this game, in my opinion.
They did OK in mine. Josephine's pretty bland but Sera more than makes up for it once you put a bit of time in.
They did OK in mine. Josephine's pretty bland but Sera more than makes up for it once you put a bit of time in.
I tried. She broke up with me for not converting out of Creator worship.
I'm undecided if I want every representation in a game. Part of me does, because I myself am gay and would love to have the option to have a M/M relationship, but if it doesn't make sense. Don't. Do. It.
As for the actual topic: I'm really, really pleased with Dorian's relationship. It's the first gay relationship in a game that I'm not only comfortable with, but absolutely adoring. I'm probably over-hyping it, but it was honestly incredibly well done. The personal quest made sense, everything was just in line with that character.
Granted, the guy who wrote Dorian also did Morrigan who I'm still deeply in love with. 
Well considering the scene about him wanting to go to Tevinter after, my quizzy said "What about..." Then "Take me with you." or something like that. Dorian don't go!!!!! lol
This was me. This was totally me.
I tried. She broke up with me for not converting out of Creator worship.
The more I hear and see of Sera, the less I like her character. I recall someone saying that 'She can show you that even the little people can be just as nasty as the big ones', and I'd entirely agree to that. Shame.
The more I hear and see of Sera, the less I like her character. I recall someone saying that 'She can show you that even the little people can be just as nasty as the big ones', and I'd entirely agree to that. Shame.
The "I HATE SERA" thread is that way ->
Seriously. YOU STARTED IT. No need to spread your Sera h8 all over the whole place.
The "I HATE SERA" thread is that way ->
Seriously. YOU STARTED IT. No need to spread your Sera h8 all over the whole place.
Fair enough; pity it's something one couldn't ask of Sera, though.
Dorian is awesome!
IB, dunno he's a nice guy but doesn't get me going
Sera, I think she's a bit too strange to fall for were I a lesbian 
Josephine, I don't think she;s that interesting as a character, but could be wrong..
I would have liked a more Cullen like option too for the gay Inquisitors, though I still would've chosen Dorian.
People with seras personality I usually love but I expect someone like Sera to be agnostic. I just heard you can get dumped for not believing in the maker...... that's really ignorant on seras part. I expect her to be open minded. Not close minded. what gives sera. And you have a biased against mages too...... seriously...... don't be ignorant....... stop it.........
I've only done the Dorian romance yet, so not sure about the others, but what I absolutely adored about Dorian's storyline is the confrontation with his father. So bold to put that into the game and they should do it more often. I expected it to be a Fenris-like confrontation, ending up fighting and killing everyone in a tavern, but it wasn't like that at all. And it was so satisfying to call that dad a jerk-face.
Bull's openmindeness is also refreshing. Didn't expect it coming from the Qunari, but thinking about it, it actually makes sense.
Sera is really the type of character that needs to grow on you, and for me, she actually did. Still, no idea if a romance would really work with her.
Krem though. Krem is awesome! I'm really hoping they make him the Sword&Shield Warriror for Dragon Age 4. Because that would be the best thing ever.
I have no idea why people are complaining about Sera.. I think her kind of personality is needed to make things a bit more fun. She may want sex and stuff right off the bat, but as a lesbian IRL and having known lots of other lesbians... Well, sex usually happens fast. I haven't finished the game yet, but I do hope there's a "romantic" scene at some point between the two that shows Sera's growing affection beyond the physical. (And I'm sure it has.. She just doesn't display it.. Yet, at least.
Kind of like how she kept saying "maybe" about us before getting involved.)
Quality deminishes after each game. I am less and less interested. As far as I am concerned put recourses to better use then romances.
The specs that Origins are viewed through seem to be especially rosy on this forum, to the point where it seems like a bit of a nostalgasm. In terms of romance, Origins was easily the cheesiest of the 3 games, but aside from that, it was also the easiest to progress, especially if you favored the goody-goody characters like Alistair and Leliana. Aside from Leliana's temple of sacred freak-out or Alistair's vengeance before conscription, the characters don't really challenge you at all. Heck the only companion that really challenges you properly is motherflippin' Sten, man. In Inquisition, they can all challenge you in some way, and are not so easily swayed, and most importantly, you can't gift your way out of their ire.
The specs that Origins are viewed through seem to be especially rosy on this forum, to the point where it seems like a bit of a nostalgasm. In terms of romance, Origins was easily the cheesiest of the 3 games, but aside from that, it was also the easiest to progress, especially if you favored the goody-goody characters like Alistair and Leliana. Aside from Leliana's temple of sacred freak-out or Alistair's vengeance before conscription, the characters don't really challenge you at all. Heck the only companion that really challenges you properly is motherflippin' Sten, man. In Inquisition, they can all challenge you in some way, and are not so easily swayed, and most importantly, you can't gift your way out of their ire.
Origins is definately not a perfect game, and the bi option romances are really cheesy. Thought Alistair and Morrigan's were ok though. Do like Leliana's growth as a person over the series too. This may sound very strange, but I'd probably say Ander's (and especially) Morrigan's romances were the best in the series (as I know so far) - both are quite deep, connected to the plot, and the characters themselves are quite interesting. 
People with seras personality I usually love but I expect someone like Sera to be agnostic. I just heard you can get dumped for not believing in the maker...... that's really ignorant on seras part. I expect her to be open minded. Not close minded. what gives sera. And you have a biased against mages too...... seriously...... don't be ignorant....... stop it.........
You get dumped if you tell her you believe in the Dalish Gods when she is having a crisis of faith following the Temple of Mythal, it doesn't have anything to do with the Maker. And she doesn't hate the Mages anymore then she hates the Templars.
Solas cares about spirits and the Fade and ancient ruins. Cole wants to help people. Dorian cares for Tevinter, however a great deal of him is about his sexuality. It's why he's not actually in Tevinter. His personal quest with his father is about his sexuality. It's easy to sympathise with him when he is rejected by his family. This story may reflect reality, but the same story has been told more often than I can count.There wasn't a problem with gay relationships in Thedas before. It feels a bit like this trouble with the Tevinter nobles was invented in order to tell this story. Reality is very homophobic. Thedas wasn't before this game. It is a fantasy RPG after all. I don't see non-white characters being treated differently. And the disabled Sandal seems fine as well. I suppose what's done is done.Personally I don't find Dorian's smug, snarky, sassy, sarcastic behaviour very charming.And what's going on with his single naked shoulder? I think it looks weird. No straight male love interest looks like that.These are the issues I have with the first gay party member in a Bioware game. It's not all perfect.
Dorian's sexuality is not the only reason he isn't in Tevinter, so it's not entirely truthful to state that. His personal quest might be a slight cliche - bit it's a real one, and I'm pretty sure "my father tried to use blood magic to change me" isn't a story that's been told before.
Also, this game does not make homosexuality a problem in Thedas. As I mentioned in my first post in this thread, there's a codex entry that can be found (I think it's in the Emerald Graves somewhere) called "Sexuality in Thedas" which breaks down how people feel about same sex realtionships by region in Thedas. In Ferelden, no one cares about any kind of sexual relation as long as it's not in public (actual sex, not PDA), in Orlais, no one cares, and in Tevinter it's only a problem if you're nobility. It's seen as a problem elsewhere if you're a noble because the most important thing for nobles is to continue the family line, which makes sense as far as the world goes, but the rules are harsher in Tevinter probably due to the strict political nature of the magisterium.
Dorian's sexuality is not the only reason he isn't in Tevinter, so it's not entirely truthful to state that. His personal quest might be a slight cliche - bit it's a real one, and I'm pretty sure "my father tried to use blood magic to change me" isn't a story that's been told before.
Also, this game does not make homosexuality a problem in Thedas. As I mentioned in my first post in this thread, there's a codex entry that can be found (I think it's in the Emerald Graves somewhere) called "Sexuality in Thedas" which breaks down how people feel about same sex realtionships by region in Thedas. In Ferelden, no one cares about any kind of sexual relation as long as it's not in public (actual sex, not PDA), in Orlais, no one cares, and in Tevinter it's only a problem if you're nobility. It's seen as a problem elsewhere if you're a noble because the most important thing for nobles is to continue the family line, which makes sense as far as the world goes, but the rules are harsher in Tevinter probably due to the strict political nature of the magisterium.
Blood magic in this case stands for I don't know what they're called, those things that claim they can make people straight. Enormous hate is responsible for these things in the real world. Yet Bioware claims this hate doesn't exist in Thedas. Dorian's words:
"I wouldn't put on a show, marry the girl, keep everything unsavory private and locked away."
"It crushed me to think that he found that absurd risk preferable to scandal."
Clearly being gay is not acceptable in Tevinter. Just because it's okay in other parts of Thedas doesn't mean it's not homophobia. If Thedas were okay with it, arrangements could be made in Tevinter. Ways to work around it. Coparenting, insemination and surrogates or even magic.
Blood magic in this case stands for I don't know what they're called, those things that claim they can make people straight. Enormous hate is responsible for these things in the real world. Yet Bioware claims this hate doesn't exist in Thedas. Dorian's words:
"I wouldn't put on a show, marry the girl, keep everything unsavory private and locked away."
"It crushed me to think that he found that absurd risk preferable to scandal."
Clearly being gay is not acceptable in Tevinter. Just because it's okay in other parts of Thedas doesn't mean it's not homophobia. If Thedas were okay with it, arrangements could be made in Tevinter. Ways to work around it. Coparenting, insemination and surrogates or even magic.
It's not actually all of Tevinter thought. The only reason it's a problem is because Dorian comes from a powerful Magical bloodline and is expected to pass those traits onto offspring. Dorian even comments that his parents hated each other and only married for that reason and he left because he doesn't want a marriage based on power and his father couldn't accept it.
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