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[Ekliane]

So i'm post-campaign and trying to clear my war table. After the resolution of "The Archanist and the Fade", I paid a visit to hyperactive dwarfette, and...

 

Dagna : (...) I've learned something. I think. I don't know.

Dagna : I got a scraping that was cleaned off you. And it's weird. And the other rift bits, they're weird. It's just... weird.

Dagna : Lyrium and the fade, linked. But dwarves and tranquil, not linked. But they work lyrium, so they are. Somehow? (looks like me when I begin to write an essay)

Dagna : There's something there. I was face-deep in a rune, and for a moment... I was tall. Really tall.

Dagna : And I thought -- I thought all the thoughts. (nervous laugh)

 

Inquisitor : You felt taller ? How much taller ?

Dagna : Like, mountain-tall. Or I was the mountain. But I was moving. I felt dizzy.

Dagna : You know what I remembered ? Watching a shaperate carve the wall of memory. Except... big. Isn't that weird ? Maybe there were fumes.

 

Inquisitor : What do you mean when you say "thought all the thoughts"?

Dagna : I don't know ? As if, for a moment, I was around all my people. And my thought was all of theirs ? No, no, my thought was all of our thoughts. Like parts. Ugh, words are mush.

Dagna : Maybe that's what the Stone feels like. Or we think it feels like. If we think it feels ? Creepy.

 

(a more and more wtf) Inquisitor : So tranquil and dwarves are linked to lyrium, but also not linked ?

Dagna : Like the lyrium needs to flow, but if you're part of it, it takes you with it. so you can't be part of it. That makes me sad. I'm not sure why. It seems like whe should be part of it. Whatever "it" is.

Dagna : Or maybe we're the ones who make it happen ? Whatever "it" is ?

Dagna : You know what's frustrating ? Answers that aren't answers. Bleah. (I see you Bioware.)

Dagna : I tried to make it happen again, but it wouldn't. Then I had a headache. And cocoa. And a lie-down.

 

So, it feels huge. I think. Girl confused me. Any ideas ?

 

Also, Dagna's manner of speech makes me think of the dwarf merchant in DAO Orzammar, who in turn makes me think tabout Cole. You know, the spirit who don't understand a thing about the world, and hear the lyrium as a song ?

[Bigdoser]

This is quite interesting. 

[Tatsuki]

Yea I got that dialogue mid game and had a bit of a think about it, and I am just taking it as...

 

 

Minor spoilers through this (very minor)

 

You hear a lot about Lyrium and what it actually is (or could be) in this game, and I believe it is true that Lyrium actually has a consciousness

and for all intents and purposes is "alive".

 

Like Solas sleeping and taking visions of times past, Dagna saw through the consciousness of the Lyrium, hence the "I was the mountain" and "I was all around my people" 

 

As for your take on it being like the lyrium addled previous characters (guy in orzammar, and imo Sandal) maybe some of the knowledge from the lyrium has helped them in some way (Sandals mysterious rain man like awesomeness).

 

What did intrigue me was you mentioning Cole hearing the Lyrium like a song, as I avoided him in my first run through, he is in tune with the wants, needs and suffering of living beings. Maybe thats why he can hear the Lyriums song, because as stated, it is alive.

 

This is most likely all Bull, but its what got pieced together in my head, make of it what you will.

 

 

 

*edit*

 

Got to thinking further on this, Dwarves and their stone sense, maybe this could be tied in to being surrounded by lyrium and this is why surfacers lose it over time.

Generations of Dwarves could have been shielded from the Fade by this and lost their ability to enter it.

Who knows, maybe generations of surfacers could get this back.

 

... so soilent blue is people?

[Kantr]

Justice says Lyrium sings as well and you see lyrium in the fade.

 

Cole says the templars reach for the song which blocks out magic. While the dwarves have an old song faint within them (

[Tatsuki]

Justice says Lyrium sings as well and you see lyrium in the fade.

 

Cole says the templars reach for the song which blocks out magic. While the dwarves have an old song faint within them (

 

 

You heard it here first... soylent blue is not people. Soylent blue is dwarf.

[Ekliane]

Yes, I was referring to Justice. It has always been something marking me as a "winky wink" from BioWare. If you pay attention, you begin to see- to think you see - things connecting together a lot @_@

 

You heard it here first... soylent blue is not people. Soylent blue is dwarf.

 

 

[myahele]

I got this too. I have to say that lyrium reminds me of FF7 MAKO/ life stream. 

[ForgottenWarrior]

Here's video, if someone wants to see it rather than read. Rus subs, but there is no skipping so shouldn't be a problem.

[Al Foley]

So i'm post-campaign and trying to clear my war table. After the resolution of "The Archanist and the Fade", I paid a visit to hyperactive dwarfette, and...

 

Dagna : (...) I've learned something. I think. I don't know.

Dagna : I got a scraping that was cleaned off you. And it's weird. And the other rift bits, they're weird. It's just... weird.

Dagna : Lyrium and the fade, linked. But dwarves and tranquil, not linked. But they work lyrium, so they are. Somehow? (looks like me when I begin to write an essay)

Dagna : There's something there. I was face-deep in a rune, and for a moment... I was tall. Really tall.

Dagna : And I thought -- I thought all the thoughts. (nervous laugh)

 

Inquisitor : You felt taller ? How much taller ?

Dagna : Like, mountain-tall. Or I was the mountain. But I was moving. I felt dizzy.

Dagna : You know what I remembered ? Watching a shaperate carve the wall of memory. Except... big. Isn't that weird ? Maybe there were fumes.

 

Inquisitor : What do you mean when you say "thought all the thoughts"?

Dagna : I don't know ? As if, for a moment, I was around all my people. And my thought was all of theirs ? No, no, my thought was all of our thoughts. Like parts. Ugh, words are mush.

Dagna : Maybe that's what the Stone feels like. Or we think it feels like. If we think it feels ? Creepy.

 

(a more and more wtf) Inquisitor : So tranquil and dwarves are linked to lyrium, but also not linked ?

Dagna : Like the lyrium needs to flow, but if you're part of it, it takes you with it. so you can't be part of it. That makes me sad. I'm not sure why. It seems like whe should be part of it. Whatever "it" is.

Dagna : Or maybe we're the ones who make it happen ? Whatever "it" is ?

Dagna : You know what's frustrating ? Answers that aren't answers. Bleah. (I see you Bioware.)

Dagna : I tried to make it happen again, but it wouldn't. Then I had a headache. And cocoa. And a lie-down.

 

So, it feels huge. I think. Girl confused me. Any ideas ?

 

Also, Dagna's manner of speech makes me think of the dwarf merchant in DAO Orzammar, who in turn makes me think tabout Cole. You know, the spirit who don't understand a thing about the world, and hear the lyrium as a song ?

Sounds like Matt Smith...which reminds me of Mordin.  Weird.  

 

Great now she's got me doing it.

[snackrat]

Bit o' Spoilers:

 

Red Lyrium is revealed to have been lyrium corrupted by the darkspawn blight. But only living are corrupted by the blights - rocks and such are not. So by extension, this means that lyrium does have at least SOME life, even if its basic (like a plants maybe).

 

Cole remarks that templars (and dwarfs) block magic because they 'reach out for something else' that 'takes up all the space' so there's no room for magic to get in. (His words.) If lyrium is alive... dwarves have an affinity for the Stone (of which lyrium is a part!) and templars take lyrium for the abilities.

 

As for Seekers, they DON'T take lyrium but (spoilerth!) their Trial consists of making them tranquil and then 'curing' them with a spirit of Faith, so they are fade-connected in this way instead.

 

Over all it seems like the Stone, Fade, and Lyrium, are connected. The Stone blesses the dwarves, and templars tap into it with lyrium. Which might mean that **GASP** THE STONE IS A REAL THING, or the planet itself is alive (and lyrium is like magical brain cells) AUUUGH

[kipac]

Is Dagna voiced by the same person who did Rise from Persona 4?
That's what I first thought when I heard her voice.

[StarcloudSWG]

Remember the Nexus Golem in DA 2?

 

"Amgarrak tapped the blood, spilled within the Stone."

"The Stone sleeps beneath Orlais. Mathas gar na fornen pa salroka atrast."

 

What Dagna is feeling is the true sense of the Stone that the dwarves had long ago lost. In my opinion.

[SwobyJ]

Red Blue Green

 

Yes it is all alive. Everyone is part of it, but apart from it.

 

Thedas seems to be non-magical, but it has a highly magical origin and has much in it that taps into the magical.

 

And the non-magical is more magical than we think. Is there even a 'non-magical'?  Listening to Solas, there might not be. That the non-magical is an illusion, and we're still ultimately all of magic. The Tranquil and Dwarves strike me as almost (no offense intended) 'magically autistic', where having lost access to the greater magical realm of the Fade, they exercise their still innate magicalness through other ways ('Stonesense' through the lyrium underground, runecrafting).

 

 

 

Whose song is this, anyway?

 

Is there something below the Deep Roads? Does the Maker (or whatever) lie beyond the Fade, but something else lies beyond the Deep Roads, and is this all connected?

 

Whatever the case, the song of lyrium (both in the Fade's immaterial form and Thedas' material form) is probably going to be SUPER important.

[Kaibe]

Do any questions ever get answered, or is there just always more?

[Ekliane]

Questions get answered, giving always more.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

If a Tranquil's inability to touch magic can be cured by a spirit of faith, it might be that a dwarf's inability to do magic can be "cured" through some process involving lyrium... red or blue.  I think Dagna touched on the fuzziest edge of "curing" herself of her inability to do magic.  Look for dwarven mages in DA5: Sandal's Revenge: The Resandaling.

[ForgottenWarrior]

Is Dagna voiced by the same person who did Rise from Persona 4?
That's what I first thought when I heard her voice.

She is voiced by Laura Bailey. So there is a lot of places where you could heard this voice before.

Also the voice of Bianca.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I think what Dagna experienced was the genuine Stone-sense that Dwarves were supposed to have. 

[Jazharah]

Here's a thought...

Last night I was reading "the calling" (spoiler up ahead) where Bregan talks with the Architect who explains to him that he wants Darkspawn and humans to exist in peace. In the book the Architect intends to have all humans go through some form of the joining, effectively blighting all humans.

It seems to me he has found a way through lyrium instead, especially considering he also intended some way to stop the calling of the old gods and here's Corypheus, replacing it in a way.

Enter Dragon Age 4: Flemeth (who has now the souls of 3 old gods being Mythal, Kieran and Fen'Harel ) versus The Architect.

...all because of bouncy Dagna

[elikal71]

I noticed that dialogue.

 

However, at this moment I want to question two things:

 

 

1) DOES Bioware even HAVE a "meta-plot" (meaning all about: Fade, Black City, Gods, Magic, Demons, Lyrium) Or do they just make it up as they go?

2) IF the amount of revelations about the meta-plot continues in that speed, we will know it all when Dragon Age 78 is released, and I have to be 514 years old to experience that.

[Wiggs Magee]

My personnel idea to it.. is that Lyrium and the dwarven idea of 'the stone' are the same thing

May explain dwarven resistance to stone

How lyrium was seen as exhibiting organic properties, such as contracting the blight.

How lyrium is present through the ground and so lends credence to the dwarven philosophy and being surrounded by the stone

[SwobyJ]

If a Tranquil's inability to touch magic can be cured by a spirit of faith, it might be that a dwarf's inability to do magic can be "cured" through some process involving lyrium... red or blue.  I think Dagna touched on the fuzziest edge of "curing" herself of her inability to do magic.  Look for dwarven mages in DA5: Sandal's Revenge: The Resandaling.

IMO it is pretty much inevitable that we'll have a dwarven mage protagonist option.

[SwobyJ]

I noticed that dialogue.

 

However, at this moment I want to question two things:

 

 

1) DOES Bioware even HAVE a "meta-plot" (meaning all about: Fade, Black City, Gods, Magic, Demons, Lyrium) Or do they just make it up as they go?

2) IF the amount of revelations about the meta-plot continues in that speed, we will know it all when Dragon Age 78 is released, and I have to be 514 years old to experience that.

 

Its always both, and this isn't exclusive to Bioware.

[Sardoni]

Is Dagna voiced by the same person who did Rise from Persona 4?
That's what I first thought when I heard her voice.

 

That and more http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1154161/

 

Serah from FFXIII... Even Lust from Full Metal Alchemist lol.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I read somewhere that dwarves were once capable of magecraft.  Sandal's prophecy suggests to some that eventually, something will happen and possible elves will be immortal and dwarves will be capable of magic.  Was hoping for that to be Coryepheus, because playing one of the first dwarf mages sounds AWESOME. 

 

Thing is, something I read and then confirmed on a subsequent playthrough points out that in 2, the darkspawn avoided the areas with red lyirum, which is weird if it's blighted.  Although I think they do hang around Bianca's mine...