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[themageguy]

So.....Templars drink sentient liquid?

Sounds strange

[Wolfen09]

for some reason this is kind of bugging me... dwarves cant be mages... well, if a non mage... meaning the seekers can be made tranquil, wouldnt it be safe to say that its possible that some sort of tranquility has befallen the dwarves?  maybe not a full thing, because their personalities remain, but it is said by varric that dwarves dont dream, and we know tranquil dont dream...  funny similarities...

 

as for lyrium... its gonna be the whole GOW3 lambent thing all over again, just watch

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Are we forgetting what Bianca learned about lyrium? Red lyrium has the blight and, only living creatures, not minerals can get the blight so, lyrium is definitely alive. Conscious or sentient? I don't know but it is a creature, or colony of creatures.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

You heard it here first... soylent blue is not people. Soylent blue is dwarf.

[TeraBat]

Also, it's not just a spirit of Faith necessary to unmake a Tranquil. Remember in Dragon Age 2, when you take Anders to help his friend Karl? Anders has a spirit of Justice bouncing around inside him, and it's somehow powerful enough to temporarily undo Karl's being made Tranquil. 

 

If only they'd had the time to study the interaction, Anders might have made some completely different choices when it came to justice for the Tranquil.... 

[DarkSpiral]

The Tranquil that was cured (which kicked off the Mage Rebellion) in Asunder was touched by a demon.  I can't recall which kind atm.

 

So it definitely doesn't need to be Faith or Justice; its just has to be a spirit.

[Knight of Dane]

It makes sense overall, kinda.

 

The other sources of magical power we know are the blight and blood, both are a form of life.

 

So, by extention Lyrium is too, so maybe all magic is powered by "life" in some raw essence. Red lyrium is two magical sources pooled together which makes it very potent and uncontrolable, at least as long as it is not refined in any form.

[MACharlie1]

If lyrium has a consciousness was she ... sensing it? Seeing through the lyrium like the memory shard?

[Ashagar]

Also, it's not just a spirit of Faith necessary to unmake a Tranquil. Remember in Dragon Age 2, when you take Anders to help his friend Karl? Anders has a spirit of Justice bouncing around inside him, and it's somehow powerful enough to temporarily undo Karl's being made Tranquil. 

 

If only they'd had the time to study the interaction, Anders might have made some completely different choices when it came to justice for the Tranquil.... 

 

Yes though I think its harder for the tranquil than the seekers because the seekers don't have a tranquility rune while the seekers are made tranquil though their year long faith vigil, the fact the seekers also willingly do so even if they don't know they are doing so likely has a effect as well. Though the biggest problem is unlike the seekers who are only tranquil a moment, many of the tranquil have so for years so have little to no emotional control, couple that with magic... not pretty.

[MonkeyLungs]

I just really hope this story, the story of The Dragon Age, concludes during this console generation at the very latest. Preferably I would like DA:4 to be the last one for The Dragon Age .. then they could move on a few ages ahead and clean the slate for themselves which they DESPERATELY need to do.

 

I don't really enjoy it when authors string their audience along forever to keep getting money. I don't think stories in book form or tv or movie or game form need to go beyond a trilogy. On very exceptional occasions I could get behind possibly a second trilogy set far after the events of the first but I find it immensely more satisfying to reach a conclusion to a story by the end of a trilogy.

 

Sequel fatigue, cliffhanger fatigue, and the nagging feeling that the writers are just winging it as they go along start to become factors for me after game/book/tv season/movie #3 ...

[Teophne]

Here's a thought...

Last night I was reading "the calling" (spoiler up ahead) where Bregan talks with the Architect who explains to him that he wants Darkspawn and humans to exist in peace. In the book the Architect intends to have all humans go through some form of the joining, effectively blighting all humans.

It seems to me he has found a way through lyrium instead, especially considering he also intended some way to stop the calling of the old gods and here's Corypheus, replacing it in a way.

Enter Dragon Age 4: Flemeth (who has now the souls of 3 old gods being Mythal, Kieran and Fen'Harel ) versus The Architect.

...all because of bouncy Dagna

I find it funny that the books (only read Calling fully and Stolen Throne halfway) mention very little about lyrium.

 

I'm intrigued about the origin or the Architect. There can't be an option he was just born that way (like Lady Gaga). Going to do Asunder next but from what I understand it doesn't address Architect in any way.

 

I don't yet know Cory's full plan to deal with old gods (being halfway done with my first playthrough) but the Architect I believe just wanted them dead to end the calling. Personally for me it seems weird that a sleeping dragon would call the darkspawn to wake and taint them. Wonder if the games/books ever offer a better explanation to that.

 

 

@MonkeyLungs: For me the Dragon Age (disregarding the name) is all about the Grey Wardens and I'd really want to see a future DA game to put us in the boots of a Warden recruit once more battling against the ultimate blight in which some markdowns architect-type boss has managed to awaken several old gods at the same time.

[littlebrightpanda]

But red lyrium is ultimately made out of people. So all the red lyrium in the primeval thaig were once people. Red templars are drinking people. Now, what is lyrium? Also made out of people? Actually stone? Everybody is consuming people!

[Ashagar]

As a odd side not lyrium while most commonly blue and can be also be red also comes in at least two other colors if not more, as Sir Barris noted the Templars were often brought different colored lyrium which is why it didn't raise alarms.

 

There's a example of different colored lyriums being used in the fade lyrium wells in that DLC for orgins with the dwaven lab with the harvesters. It makes me wonder what determines the color of lyrium, I mean the red stuff is blighted but what determines the other colors?

[TheLastArchivist]

Justice, a spirit of the Fade, says he hears a beautiful song when you give him his gift: a lyrium ring.

[ThreeF]

Inquisitor : You felt taller ? How much taller ?

Dagna : Like, mountain-tall. Or I was the mountain. But I was moving. I felt dizzy.

Dagna is not the only one who mentions dwarves and height, Keiran does this too.

[MrMrPendragon]

Dagna : You know what's frustrating ? Answers that aren't answers.

 

 

This is like 90% of Dragon Age's lore - answers that are not really answers.

[In Exile]

But red lyrium is ultimately made out of people. So all the red lyrium in the primeval thaig were once people. Red templars are drinking people. Now, what is lyrium? Also made out of people? Actually stone? Everybody is consuming people!

It's not just made out of people. It makes people into itself. That's different.

[Iakus]

Dagna is not the only one who mentions dwarves and height, Keiran does this too.

 

"Llke, mountain-tall.  Or I was the mountain"

 

Perhaps a reference to the Stone?

[leaguer of one]

I noticed that dialogue.

 

However, at this moment I want to question two things:

 

 

1) DOES Bioware even HAVE a "meta-plot" (meaning all about: Fade, Black City, Gods, Magic, Demons, Lyrium) Or do they just make it up as they go?

2) IF the amount of revelations about the meta-plot continues in that speed, we will know it all when Dragon Age 78 is released, and I have to be 514 years old to experience that.

Being that they hinted Cory and the the breach from DAO:WITCH HUNT...It's a clear yes.

[ThreeF]

"Llke, mountain-tall.  Or I was the mountain"

 

Perhaps a reference to the Stone?

Not sure it's that, Keiran says something about dwarves unable to be as tall as they used to be without the Titans. The question is who/what are Titans

[SetecAstronomy]

It makes sense overall, kinda.

 

The other sources of magical power we know are the blight and blood, both are a form of life.

 

So, by extention Lyrium is too, so maybe all magic is powered by "life" in some raw essence. Red lyrium is two magical sources pooled together which makes it very potent and uncontrolable, at least as long as it is not refined in any form.

 

I'm calling it now: the Big Boss for the entire Dragon Age series will be a Blighted Templar Blood Mage.

[Ehlesgens!]

Not sure it's that, Keiran says something about dwarves unable to be as tall as they used to be without the Titans. The question is who/what are Titans

That's what I was going to mention, I think her "being the moutain" is linked to what Kieran says. Maybe dwarves were Titans in the past, or are the descendents of Titans ?

[SetecAstronomy]

That's what I was going to mention, I think her "being the moutain" is linked to what Kieran says. Maybe dwarves were Titans in the past, or are the descendents from Titans ?

I was getting a strong golem vibe when she was talking about that.

[Precursor Meta]

Makes me think about that analogy solas had about the dwarves and a severed arm.

[Nightdragon8]

Bit o' Spoilers:

 

Red Lyrium is revealed to have been lyrium corrupted by the darkspawn blight. But only living are corrupted by the blights - rocks and such are not. So by extension, this means that lyrium does have at least SOME life, even if its basic (like a plants maybe).

 

Cole remarks that templars (and dwarfs) block magic because they 'reach out for something else' that 'takes up all the space' so there's no room for magic to get in. (His words.) If lyrium is alive... dwarves have an affinity for the Stone (of which lyrium is a part!) and templars take lyrium for the abilities.

 

As for Seekers, they DON'T take lyrium but (spoilerth!) their Trial consists of making them tranquil and then 'curing' them with a spirit of Faith, so they are fade-connected in this way instead.

 

Over all it seems like the Stone, Fade, and Lyrium, are connected. The Stone blesses the dwarves, and templars tap into it with lyrium. Which might mean that **GASP** THE STONE IS A REAL THING, or the planet itself is alive (and lyrium is like magical brain cells) AUUUGH

but she has the ablity to burn the Lyrium inside of a mage, so mages have a natrual lyrim supply in there veins it seems. so... isn't this pretty much the explentation of biotics from ME:Universe/ Only for Biotics its a form of cancer...