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#251
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This past weekend, Laidlaw had this to say over at Kotaku.
 
Q: Any hints that the Warden (origins character) will show up in future DLC?
 
A: Pretty unlikely, which I know disappoints some folks, but I have some pretty serious concerns about making a character who had no voice suddenly have one. It feels as if it will be dissonant. The Warden is and was an awesome character, and I don't want to risk "wrecking" those memories, even unintentionally.


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#252
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How is the Warden not in the right place at the right time?

 

Everyone in any game is always in the right place at the right time, to seize their power. Otherwise they wouldn't get it. The Warden has in no way become as powerful as he/she is by years of "keeping-at-it".

 

Curiously, if anyone it was the much hated Hawke worked the hardest to be where he/she is. Which around the events of Inquisition, is still really just "a guy/gal who didn't die".



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Well, the warden-commander is not the Hero of Ferelden in Default World State and I think he/she may fit into your seasoned warden description that would get involved in the events going on in Weisshaupt with no greater influence than any other wardern since Commander is not that big a title in the order. Warden Commander's story is unknown even to those who played Awakening, other than he saw the Architect.

 

New people would play with the Default World State and those who played DAO would play with their own world states. Again, that's just my opinion.

 

Yes, but the thing that destroys that possibility is the choice to import the HoF to Awakenings. To many people the warden commander is the HoF. Its just a knot really, all the choices make it really hard to get stuff from previous games and implement them in future games. I'm afraid if Bioware did that by the time we get to DA6 there would be such a tangled web of choices to import, that just to make that all work they would need as much time as it takes them to make whole game, and just then start working on making the actual game... I feel you, i know what you mean, but i honestly dont see that happening :(



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Seriously, this is the most circular argument on the forums. HoF is NOT coming back, time to move on.


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#255
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Then go and watch youtube videos and stop whining for something Bioware has already confirmed will never happen because most of the fanbase does not want them back. Better start getting comfortable with that idea.

Source? Because Gaider's response to people who didn't want Warden or Hawke back pre-DAI was basically that Bioware would bring them back if they felt there was a story to tell in doing so.

I think there's a fair chance the Warden reappears in the rumored Darkspawn DLC. If people dont want the to appear, they can always not buy it, or make sure they're dead.

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Well, the warden-commander is not the Hero of Ferelden in Default World State and I think he/she may fit into your seasoned warden description that would get involved in the events going on in Weisshaupt with no greater influence than any other wardern since Commander is not that big a title in the order. Warden Commander's story is unknown even to those who played Awakening, other than he saw the Architect.

 

Default World State for the Hero of Ferelden:

 

Female Dalish Elf who sacrificed herself killing the Archdemon

 

Default World State for Hawke:

 

Male Mage who sided with the Mages



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I am simply saying that it would make more sense for an experienced warrior to fight big enemies like Flemeth and Solas rather than new guys who becomes ridicoulusly strong in no time for stupid reasons such as being in the right place in the right time. Bioware doesn't have to do what I find more logical, I am simply speaking my mind.

 

I don't really get this, because with respect to becoming ridiculously strong, the Warden is not that much different from Hawke and the Inquisitor. They all just basically rise up by killing things or surviving some magical nonsense. You can't determine what's logical without even knowing what the story is. Thedas can produce more than one mighty hero to vanquish whatever.


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Let the Past be passed. Do not prolong its suffering.
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#259
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This is Bioware, beware what you wish for. :ph34r:

One solution to the variety issue is to have the Warden Commander already be one of Cory's minions (no need to speak) or to see his/her body taken over by Cory (How many of us really want to see that?)



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Inquisitor: So whatever happened to The Hero of Fereldan?

Leliana: Which one?

Inquisitor: The one who had slain the Arch Daemon during the Blight.

Leliana: Which Blight.

Inquisitor: The most recent one.

Josephine: Excuse me. Leliana! We need to talk! Now!

 

[some time later]

 

Inquisitor: Whatever happened to The Hero of Fereldan?

Morrigan: Which one? There have been many as I recall.

Inquisitor: [sigh] The one who had slain The Arch Daemon during the Fifth Blight.

Morrigan: Well....

Cullen: Morrigan! What were you thinking? Do you have any idea what kind of position you've put me in?

 

[some time later. Inquisitor gets Morrigan and Leliana in the same room]

 

Inquisitor: What happened to the Hero of Fereldan? The Grey Warden of the Fifth Blight?

Leliana: Well. How do I explain this.

Morrigan: It's complicated. You see...

Iron Bull: Excuse me Leliana. Do you have a minute? It's about the spies you sent into Qunari territory.

Chantry Cleric: Morrigan. We need to talk.

Inquisitor: Okay you two. I just want a simple answer to a simple question! You two will have to wait your turn, because I'm asking Leliana and Morrigan the whereabouts of The Grey Warden wo had slain the Arch Daemon during The Fifth Blight!

Morrigan: Someone is impatient. We'll tell you in good time.

 

[some time later]

 

Inquisitor: I've waited five weeks now. Leliana and Morrigian. You two better come clean. Where is The Grey Warden? You know which one I'm referring to.

Leliana: All right. I'll tell you. The Warden is trapped in a mirror.

Morrigan: Yeah. I've been trying to release The Warden. Trouble is, the Eluvian is broken.

Inquisitor: How do I repair this mirror?

Electronic Arts: By purchasing The Warden Returns DLC.

 

[Player purchases the DLC. After playing the DLC for 10 hours we finally reach the point where The Inquisitor meets The Grey Warden]

 

Inquisitor: Hello.

The Grey Warden: [Says nothing and stares]

Inquisitor: I came here to rescue you.

The Grey Warden: [Says nothing and stares]

Inquisitor: Umm. Well. I best get going now. You coming with me?

The Grey Warden: [Shakes head and points to the exit].

Inquisitor: [The Inquisitor leaves the mystical realm and returns to Thedas].

Player: Oh come on!

 

[The last scene of the DLC]

 

Morrigan: So how was your trip into the mirror? Was it a complete waste of time?

Inquisitor: I gained lots of experience and learnt a few new combat skills. Otherwise yes.

Morrigan: Every time you ask me a question.

Electronic Arts: I'll answer your question with DLC!


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#261
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<Snip>

 

[Player purchases the DLC. After playing the DLC for 10 hours we finally reach the point where The Inquisitor meets The Grey Warden]

 

Inquisitor: Hello.

The Grey Warden: [Says nothing and stares]

Inquisitor: I came here to rescue you.

The Grey Warden: [Says nothing and stares]

Inquisitor: Umm. Well. I best get going now. You coming with me?

The Grey Warden: [Shakes head and points to the exit].

Inquisitor: [The Inquisitor leaves the mystical realm and returns to Thedas].

Player: Oh come on!

 

So your saying the Warden Commander should be voiced by Harpo Marx? =]


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#262
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So your saying the Warden Commander should be voiced by Harpo Marx? =]

 

Yes.  :lol:



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I'd just like to point out that Bioware said it was unlikely that the HoF would be back, they didn't say never absolutely not. So until they say never ever that dead horse will continue to get beat upon, I'm afraid.

 

edit: Also, I admit I enjoy discussing the possibilities - lord knows I've talked about way more pointless **** online than this.


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#264
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The warden did have a voice granted he/she said a few words but it was a voice, why don't they use that person.

I would like to give my warden one last ride


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#265
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Hopefully we'll get a DLC where we at least visit some lands outside Thedas. Can't wait for World of Thedas Vol 2 to show us some new lands



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Source? Because Gaider's response to people who didn't want Warden or Hawke back pre-DAI was basically that Bioware would bring them back if they felt there was a story to tell in doing so.

I think there's a fair chance the Warden reappears in the rumored Darkspawn DLC. If people dont want the to appear, they can always not buy it, or make sure they're dead.

Really..... How many times does Mike Laidlaw's comment about the return of the HoF be quoted over and over again? It's somewhere in this thread, go ahead and find it, I'm not going to quote a source people are too lazy to find and blatantly ignore for the umpteenth time.

Also, all nice and dandy that Gaider said some stuff about the Warden, but David Gaider left the Dragon Age franchise so his comments are irrelevant.


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Fanboys are as bad as shippers sometimes. 



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Seriously, this is the most circular argument on the forums. HoF is NOT coming back, time to move on.

 

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#269
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The warden did have a voice granted he/she said a few words but it was a voice, why don't they use that person.

I would like to give my warden one last ride

I guess it's not enough for most people. Also IIRC there were three or four voices per gender/sex, so that's kind of a lot of work for the devs.



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I agree I want to see my Warden return but not in a DLC. I think it's something to central and important to the plot to just be strapped on as DLC. It should be in the core game. Dragon age 4 perhaps.

 

Exactly. I'd love to have the Warden as a playable character again in a game of his or her own, not just some random NPC.


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After reading this forum I've come to the realization of many things.

First:
Our Warden, the HoF, is an undeniably loved character by many, myself included. I would love to see the Warden again. How? Doesn't matter just one more glimpse. Of all the characters of DA I feel it's not an understatement to say the Warden shines brightest in our hearts. Hawke has a lot of haters I did not hate him but I certainly did not need to see him DAI nor any other DA installment. The current inquisitor, he/she's cool... I mean don't get me wrong they are a great protagonist but there's just not a connection being built between myself and the inquisitor like there was between myself and the HoF.

Second:
Bioware is lazy as ****. We've seen it before, remember mass effect 3 the fate of Shepard, DA2, SWTOR? Enough said there.

Third:
There's so much speculation that there will be a DLC or a sequel with HoF... Wrong. I know it sucks I wish it wasn't true but it is there's no chance that we will ever see the HoF back again as an npc or a pc. Why? It's unfair in a way to us fans. You would think the devs of bioware would have some respect for their master piece creation origins and do so much as sum up the HoF's story completely give him the happy ending we all want so we can go on with ourselves but they won't. In my case, morrigan and my warden cousland will never be settled, they seemed like they would be for a time going off leaving together with their child but they brought back Morrigan and shattered that sentimental ending. Again I fond myself saying - why? And that's the thing. I don't know.

I don't get what they are doing with the HoF they had the chance to end it but they messed it up, why? They want to retire his story, they could have but they didn't. I don't know haha I'm ranting but I am just a confused fan wondering why my favorite character can't have a happy ending.

I would love to hear all your thoughts correct me if I was wrong at all :)
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#272
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I think s/he may be included in a Grey Warden themed DLC if s/he had not made the Ultimate Sacrifice and was the Warden-Commander in Awakening. Remember how Hawke was brought back because s/he fought Corypheus and knew about him. The Warden-Commander fought the Architect and learned a lot about the Architect and how he was the one who started the Fifth Blight so s/he might be brought back the same way Hawke was brought back. This way, it wouldn't be unfair for anyone. If the Hero of Ferelden sacrificed himself/herself, then the Warden-Commander would be simply the Orlesian Warden. If the Hero of Ferelden is alive, then s/he is the Warden-Commander. It's super easy to make this thanks to the Keep. Fair for all, profit for Bioware.

 

That would be a smart move for Bioware, considering the Warden's popularity. Warden had more votes than Hawke and Inquisitor combined in Ultimate Party. Top five comments were only about the Warden on FB page of Dragon Age, more than half of the rest were about the Warden as well. Perhaps Bioware/EA are aware that the Warden is a gold mine so they just don't end his/her story so easily. Because ending their story with a simple epilogue slide or a meaningless/unsatisfactory end would create a much greater frustration among DA fans than bringing him back in a most imperfect way. There are questions and demands about the Warden on almost every FB posts in Dragon Age page, even unrelated FB posts like Easter events posts lol :lol:


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#273
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Cassandra: I have good news. The Hero of Fereldan has joined the Inquisition. The Grey Warden will be working with Hawke on a special assignment.

Inquisitor: That's incredible. Can I talk to the legendary Dark Spawn slayer who ended the Fifth Blight?

Cassandra: Sadly not. The Grey Warden is busy with that special assignment.

 

[Some time later after the "Special Assignment"]

 

Inquisitor: I have waited so long for this. Can I just tell you what an honour it is to finally meet you.

Grey Warden: Umm. Thanks. I must apologise.

Inquisitor: You really don't have to apologise. I should apologise for allowing Cassandra to send you on that special assignment. You've done so much and yet we ask so much more from you.

Grey Warden: Please. Save your flattery. I am here to do a job. Nothing more, nothing less.

Inquisitor: [Says something referring to the Grey Warden's origin story]

Grey Warden: I'd prefer it if we didn't discuss this. I am here for one purpose. Dealing with the growing Darkspawn issue. Some of them can talk.

Inquisitor: I heard about that. Must have been quite interesting.

Grey Warden: Well my special assignment was to infiltrate a base that will full of them. We have a huge issue on our hands.

Inquisitor: So what do you suggest we do?

Grey Warden: Well. That involves putting your trust in a Darkspawn. The Darkspawn who saved my life.

 

[Camera pans to Inquisitor's face].

 

Inquisitor: Oh. Well that was unexpected.

Grey Warden: The Darkspawn found a cure to the Taint. But it comes at a cost...



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I think s/he may be included in a Grey Warden themed DLC if s/he had not made the Ultimate Sacrifice and was the Warden-Commander in Awakening. Remember how Hawke was brought back because s/he fought Corypheus and knew about him. The Warden-Commander fought the Architect and learned a lot about the Architect and how he was the one who started the Fifth Blight so s/he might be brought back the same way Hawke was brought back. This way, it wouldn't be unfair for anyone. If the Hero of Ferelden sacrificed himself/herself, then the Warden-Commander would be simply the Orlesian Warden. If the Hero of Ferelden is alive, then s/he is the Warden-Commander. It's super easy to make this thanks to the Keep. Fair for all, profit for Bioware.

 

That would be a smart move for Bioware, considering the Warden's popularity. Warden had more votes than Hawke and Inquisitor combined in Ultimate Party. Top five comments were only about the Warden on FB page of Dragon Age, more than half of the rest were about the Warden as well. Perhaps Bioware/EA are aware that the Warden is a gold mine so they just don't end his/her story so easily. Because ending their story with a simple epilogue slide or a meaningless/unsatisfactory end would create a much greater frustration among DA fans than bringing him back in a most imperfect way. There are questions and demands about the Warden on almost every FB posts in Dragon Age page, even unrelated FB posts like Easter events posts lol :lol:

 

You're ignoring the details. Just inserting the Orlesian Warden Commander is at least 2 more voice actors. Having the Hero of Ferelden voiced at all is a problem by BioWare's own admission. There's more to the situation then you would lead us to think.


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Oh I see. Is it HoF-thread Tuesday?

Same thread; same commentary:

Like many I friggin love my Warden and would jump in glee and joy if I saw the Warden return, I don't care how Bioware handles it; even if they decide to not let the HoF return. I can do with a letter, with a DLC, with a full game, I honestly don't care, I'll enjoy the **** out of it regardless.


But I'm one of the more tolerant fans when it boils down to the handling of previous PCs and a significant portion of the fans have a very specific image in their heads, want a dozen of voice actors to choose from ('cause they grow on trees ripe for the pickin' by Bioware, amirite?) and have all of their choices reflected in the game/DLC/whatever. If Bioware doesn't do that perfectly, the BSN and other social networks as well as reviews are going to explode. DA:I has a metacritic score of 5.8/10 last time I checked, largely because of rotten and sour fans handing out 0s because lolololfuckealololol and other bullshit reasons.

I can imagine the outrage being hysterical if the HoF isn't handled perfectly right for everyone and the costs could severely outweigh the profit. Personally not looking out for that.


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