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[dsl08002]

For the umpteenth time, yes, Bioware CAN easily have the Warden return. Would it be good? No. Would it be worth their investment/money? With the amount of people not buying the DLC in the first place because they don't want their HoF to return, also a big fat no.
 
 
"and if there was something that my warden wasn't and that is selfish. I truly hope for that reason that there is more going on that the quest is only a half truth." And this is exactly why the writing team tries to stay away as FAR as possible from writing ANYTHING on the HoF. You guys are never pleased. "It seems selfish, my Warden isn't selfish, how dare you Bioware! Now give me a DLC so I can rectify that!"

"And one more thing if bioware decides to involve wardens or darkspawn in the future DLC:s having not the warden return in those situations is very illogical."
How? You don't need the HoF to fight darkspawn, nor do you need the HoF to talk about the Grey Wardens or investigate some sort of issue within the order. And your Warden dies to the calling in a very unheroic way in the Deep Roads in 10-20 years, give or take. Maybe you enjoy seeing dead carcasses in future installments, but I have no interest in seeing the unidentifiable mangled corpse of my Warden. Plus, now that David Gaider left writing for the DA universe, it's unlikely the Wardens will have any sort of impact in a future game or DLC.

"What they can do is test the waters by making a short DLC like Lelianas song. a short adventure that takes place before he/she starts the search for the calling. 2-3 hours long where we can choose to play as the warden. if it doesn't work then ok they will leave it, but if it will be a success then you have a template to build on in the future."
Aaaaaand who's going to fund that? EA? Bioware? You? The only option you'd have is if you'd group together random fans from Dragon Age who are also game developers, have them kickstart/crowdfund a project and then make that 2-3 hour story DLC. Expect costs to rise above the thousands.

WHY do you have to turn this into a side match: you, me, they, us and who!

im not going to take that bait.

[stargatefan1990]

I would love this DLC and i have no doubt Bioware could make it work, My first inquisitor looks almost exactly how my Main warden from DAO would look with the updated graphics.

 

give a voice choice and add a few more customisation options and it would work just fine imo. would some people still complain? obviously yes but i personally would really like this to happen.

[Fearsome1]

Fans of the original game, no matter whether you played it back in 2009 or only last week, will probably always want to see their Warden return (unless he/she succumbed felling the archdemon); that is understandable for a great gaming experience. An entirely Orlesian Warden "may have had to" polish off fifth blight strays over in Amaranthine, and later still things took a different turn with Hawke's experience in Kirkwall. Now, another hero has arisen to lead the newly reinstated Inquisition.

 

Bioware does the best that it feels that it can, but for all of their stated reasons offered for why bringing back the original Warden is problematical, I respectfully disagree. Largely it comes down to "voice" or lack of same; which makes little sense when - to me - what you would do is cast the best British and American male and female voice possible and just let fly. Would that satisfy everyone; hell no. Do I expect that the company will ever cave and put a plan in action to allow us to revisit the Hero of Ferelden; hell no.

 

Have I made my peace with a new protagonist for every game; hell yes.

[Toasted Llama]

WHY do you have to turn this into a side match: you, me, they, us and who!

im not going to take that bait.

For god's sakes, I'm not turning it into a side match, but it is an extremely controversial and polarized subject. A quick look on BSN and scrolling through threads like these will show you that there's a group of people that want to see the HoF return and a group of people that don't want to see the HoF return.

[nightcobra]

For god's sakes, I'm not turning it into a side match, but it is an extremely controversial and polarized subject. A quick look on BSN and scrolling through threads like these will show you that there's a group of people that want to see the HoF return and a group of people that don't want to see the HoF return.

 

Isn't that why the Orlesian warden exists? That warden exists regardless of playing through awakening or not, just like how hawke always fights corypheus and always meets tallis.

 

It seems logical, if HoF is alive, HoF is warden commander and can be used/appear

if HoF is dead then the Orlesian warden is warden commander and can be used/appear

 

appearance of HoF: could be handled like Hawke

Backstories of HoF:  mainly emphasizing the decade long grey warden part of his/her life and search for calling's cure with snippets of their pre-grey warden life 

 

 

also:

 

 

hmmm....

 

how about using scout harding as a medium between different playable sections, one section for the Inquisitor and the other for the "HoF"/"Orlesian Warden"

imagine a situation that requires the two of them working together in different sections of map with the "HoF"/"Orlesian Warden" leading his/her wardens and the Inquisitor leading his/her soldiers. Maybe even add "Hawke/surviving warden" as an NPC helping Harding between the sections (mostly for dialogue and banter between the protagonists and harding).

If the two of them ever meet, i guess you could have dialogue choices for both, maybe just enough to emphasize wether they're friendly/neutral/antagonistic towards each other.

 

still...it's just an idea

 

think ff6's phoenix dungeon with harding as the changing between parties button and with a lot more dialogue/banter 

 

 

 

 

while improbable to happen, it seems possible or at the very least, feasable.

[Sunnie]

This past weekend, Laidlaw had this to say over at Kotaku.

 

Q: Any hints that the Warden (origins character) will show up in future DLC?

 

A: Pretty unlikely, which I know disappoints some folks, but I have some pretty serious concerns about making a character who had no voice suddenly have one. It feels as if it will be dissonant. The Warden is and was an awesome character, and I don't want to risk "wrecking" those memories, even unintentionally.

 

 

All the circular arguments here are really for naught.

[dsl08002]

This past weekend, Laidlaw had this to say over at Kotaku.
 
Q: Any hints that the Warden (origins character) will show up in future DLC?
 
A: Pretty unlikely, which I know disappoints some folks, but I have some pretty serious concerns about making a character who had no voice suddenly have one. It feels as if it will be dissonant. The Warden is and was an awesome character, and I don't want to risk "wrecking" those memories, even unintentionally.
 
 
All the circular arguments here are really for naught.

So basically in future references:

where is the warden?, still missing hasn't returned yet.

[shortbreadspacer]

This past weekend, Laidlaw had this to say over at Kotaku.

 

Q: Any hints that the Warden (origins character) will show up in future DLC?

 

A: Pretty unlikely, which I know disappoints some folks, but I have some pretty serious concerns about making a character who had no voice suddenly have one. It feels as if it will be dissonant. The Warden is and was an awesome character, and I don't want to risk "wrecking" those memories, even unintentionally.

 

 

All the circular arguments here are really for naught.

I would have been willing to sacrifice a slight change in my idea of my Warden's voice to have them appear in a DLC (as long as you could choose Noble/Snarky/Aggressive) and I would have thought many would agree, but I was wrong.

[KaiserShep]

Isn't that why the Orlesian warden exists? That warden exists regardless of playing through awakening or not, just like how hawke always fights corypheus and always meets tallis.

 

It just seems kind of weird that they'd record so many different VA's just for a cameo. You have the 4 for the HoF, and 2 more for the Orlesian.

[AlanC9]

So basically in future references:where is the warden?, still missing hasn't returned yet.

My bet is that the Warden will be killed offscreen, and return as a Fade spirit thingy with some wacky voice effect so it doesn't matter who she was, with information that will be a key plot point for DA4 -- unless they get it over with and kill her in a DLC.

[KaiserShep]

My bet is that the Warden will be killed offscreen, and return as a Fade spirit thingy with some wacky voice effect so it doesn't matter who she was, with information that will be a key plot point for DA4 -- unless they get it over with and kill her in a DLC.

 

I have to say, as much as I don't want the Warden to come back just to die, I would like to see how the forum would react if she does. So conflicted.

[dsl08002]

I have to say, as much as I don't want the Warden to come back just to die, I would like to see how the forum would react if she does. So conflicted.

Even if The BSN would explode with anger I doubt that Bioware care about those customers. we have already seen that at ME3 and that was everyone of ME3 fans that were upset.

[Ash Wind]

This past weekend, Laidlaw had this to say over at Kotaku.

 

Q: Any hints that the Warden (origins character) will show up in future DLC?

 

A: Pretty unlikely, which I know disappoints some folks, but I have some pretty serious concerns about making a character who had no voice suddenly have one. It feels as if it will be dissonant. The Warden is and was an awesome character, and I don't want to risk "wrecking" those memories, even unintentionally.

 

 

All the circular arguments here are really for naught.

This. I am happy, my Cousland Warden went through the eluvian and is basically living in sin (lol) with Morrigan and our son. Morrigan's assertion that he has been a good partner, and a good father is enough for me.

 

I loved the fact that he went off on his quest to cure the calling; rather than the lame ass excuse... he/she's just disappeared. DA2 broke the line of the Warden. While personally, I would accept a DLC with the Warden, having Meatwad's voice, I can completely understand the devs hesitancy and reluctance to want to open that pandora's box and 'ruin' the Warden character for many. I am content to hear of the Warden's further exploits... quite simply, I don't trust the current devs to do the Warden their justice, and would rather hear of him, rather than see him.

 

I mean seriously, look at the shitstorm DAI Hawke brought about. The devs don't need that headache.

[Toasted Llama]

Even if The BSN would explode with anger I doubt that Bioware care about those customers. we have already seen that at ME3 and that was everyone of ME3 fans that were upset.

And they gave you the EC. And "everyone" is a bit of a stretch, I was okay with the ending. Will people ever quit whining about ME3?



When I look at the rest of the comments in this thread continuing even after word of god is: "No." can only  be answered with:



"It" being the HoF of course.

[dsl08002]

And they gave you the EC. And "everyone" is a bit of a stretch, I was okay with the ending. Will people ever quit whining about ME3?



When I look at the rest of the comments in this thread continuing even after word of god is: "No." can only  be answered with:



"It" being the HoF of course.

DO not seek reason you cannot comprehend

[TammieAZ]

This past weekend, Laidlaw had this to say over at Kotaku.

 

Q: Any hints that the Warden (origins character) will show up in future DLC?

 

A: Pretty unlikely, which I know disappoints some folks, but I have some pretty serious concerns about making a character who had no voice suddenly have one. It feels as if it will be dissonant. The Warden is and was an awesome character, and I don't want to risk "wrecking" those memories, even unintentionally.

 

 

All the circular arguments here are really for naught.

 

Seems like somebody's afraid of an challenge  .  Lamest reason ever to leave a character out . 

[stargatefan1990]

what it all comes down to is no, because of oversensitive people? lovely and i'm speaking as someone who played origins back when it was first released.

[Fearsome1]

Here is how it breaks down with the Hero of Ferelden:

 

Three games into an established & popular franchise whose developer regularly creates game related dlc and also adapts their lore and content into other media, and yet fans (not random people at all, but "actual fans" of their product) who continue to purchase and support said company frequently ask for their original Dragon Age character to return; and yet rather than rise to that volume of queries, rather than recognize a demand and make it happen; all they do is point out a few rather pitiful reasons why they don't want to make a ton of money on something quite probably guaranteed to sell?

 

That makes about as much sense as opening a store that sells radios, only to complain that your clientele keeps asking for batteries too?

[stargatefan1990]

Here is how it breaks down with the Hero of Ferelden:

 

Three games into an established & popular franchise whose developer regularly creates game related dlc and also adapts their lore and content into other media, and yet fans (not random people at all, but "actual fans" of their product) who continue to purchase and support said company frequently ask for their original Dragon Age character to return; and yet rather than rise to that volume of queries, rather than recognize a demand and make it happen; all they do is point out a few rather pitiful reasons why they don't want to make a ton of money on something quite probably guaranteed to sell?

 

That makes about as much sense as opening a store that sells radios, only to complain that your clientele keeps asking for batteries too?

Well you are spot on with this agreed 100%

[Hinjo]

I thing the HoF should be dead or in Deep Roads during Dragon Age 4, but the next protagonist should have a chance to finish his/her work and create the cure for the Calling (or destroy it, if the next hero will be evil bastard). HoF would do something for Thedas/Grey Wardens once again and he/she wouldn't even have to show up.

[TammieAZ]

I thing the HoF should be dead or in Deep Roads during Dragon Age 4, but the next protagonist should have a chance to finish his/her work and create the cure for the Calling (or destroy it, if the next hero will be evil bastard). HoF would do something for Thedas/Grey Wardens once again and he/she wouldn't even have to show up.

 

No

[PCThug]

A lot of people want the Warden to return because they each have an image in their mind of how this could be perfectly executed. Unfortunately, a lot of people also lack the perspective to not throw a s***fit when Bioware does not deliver said content to their exact specifications.

 

So I can see why Bioware wants to avoid bringing back the Warden even if there is a demand among fans.

[ArvinDulku]

...I'll be honest here, I want Bioware to just kill the Warden.

 

Just do it, maybe in the next DLC just start it with a big ass "the HoF is Dead!!!".

 

Seriously, I'll pay good money, hell I'll go ahead and buy multiple copies of said DLC for other people just for the utter, gleeful joy it will bring me. 

[Toasted Llama]

Here is how it breaks down with the Hero of Ferelden:

 

Three games into an established & popular franchise whose developer regularly creates game related dlc and also adapts their lore and content into other media, and yet fans (not random people at all, but "actual fans" of their product) who continue to purchase and support said company frequently ask for their original Dragon Age character to return; and yet rather than rise to that volume of queries, rather than recognize a demand and make it happen; all they do is point out a few rather pitiful reasons why they don't want to make a ton of money on something quite probably guaranteed to sell?

 

That makes about as much sense as opening a store that sells radios, only to complain that your clientele keeps asking for batteries too?

The sad reality is that it is a very huge financial gamble to create a game or DLC with a controversial and polarized audience and no shareholders would want to fund that.

Hawke was poorly received by a large portion of the so called "actual fans" and some people even complained about the letter of the HoF being an inaccurate representation of their HoF.

Keep in mind: EVERY HoF IS UNIQUE. It requires a boatload of resources and money to accurately represent that in the game and unless it's perfect PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THROW A SHITSTORM.

And it might sound strange, but the last thing Bioware needs right now is an angry mob of fans causing a shitstorm.

[S Seraff]

This past weekend, Laidlaw had this to say over at Kotaku.

 

Q: Any hints that the Warden (origins character) will show up in future DLC?

 

A: Pretty unlikely, which I know disappoints some folks, but I have some pretty serious concerns about making a character who had no voice suddenly have one. It feels as if it will be dissonant. The Warden is and was an awesome character, and I don't want to risk "wrecking" those memories, even unintentionally.

 

 

All the circular arguments here are really for naught.

 

my view is this: BW keeps overlapping stories in the same time period, so they elected for the challenge of a world with >1 player character in action. I would rather they fully stepped up to this challenge (including a voiced HoF/WC, and letting us outfit our hawke, and giving us more control over their dialogue in certain cases) instead of backing away from it.

 

the easier path logisically would have been to set these games a generation of time apart so that our prevous heroes were dead. then maybe we could have selected their respective fates in the Keep. that sort of thing.  BW didnt opt for this, which would be vastly incredibly exciting - except that they're afraid to bring past heroes back.