The mages were manipulated by their desperation to fight for their freedom into the alliance, which Fiona didn't know anything about and couldn't afford to turn down at the time since she had no allies to call upon.
The Templars are oppressive assholes, even if they weren't blindly obedient to an envy demon and none of them even realized it. Some 'experts' they are.
not to mention their boss aligned with a doomsday cult and willingly allowed said demon to take his place.
but think of the fun to punish both groups. I mean we can "pacify" dalish clans why cant we "pacify" them all. All i saying we have missed oppurtunity. Think about my friend reseting thing to 0
Because the Dalish clans are actively trying to kill you? It's not a missed opportunity to not get to kill mages or Templars when they both need help.
aww your now fun XD and pacifying isnt killing just setting the ground rules lolBecause the Dalish clans are actively trying to kill you? It's not a missed opportunity to not get to kill mages or Templars when they both need help.
Do not joke about magic. Ever. It's that serious.
Do not joke about magic. Ever. It's that serious.
Indeed. Mages are just innocent people who want to live their lives in peace! Just make sure you don't do anything ever that could be in any way considered unkind or they'll sign on with Tevinter, start summoning Demons, and whatever else they can think of...
its really not lol people need to get off the horses they are losing oxygen lolDo not joke about magic. Ever. It's that serious.
of course and the templars are just drinking the kool-aid lolIndeed. Mages are just innocent people who want to live their lives in peace! Just make sure you don't do anything ever that could be in any way considered unkind or they'll sign on with Tevinter, start summoning Demons, and whatever else they can think of...
I'm still confused as to why Fiona had to accept Alexius' help in the first place. She and the rebel mages were in Redcliffe, the peasantry and Arl Teagan accepted them willingly and offered to protect them with their knights from the rogue Templars. And yet she betrays that trust and joins the magister who demands that service in indentured servitude for several years.
You may feel sympathy for the rebel mages but you at least have to acknowledge that they had alternative options for getting help and that Fiona is a terrible leader who sold her people into slavery.
I think it must be ironic that not a single rebel mages uses blood magic nor it makes deals with demons or becomes an abomination. Alexius is a human being offering help. Blood magic's none mage version aka red lyrium and dealing with demons and the closest resemble to an abomination was reserved for Templars this time round.
Red lyrium has nothing to do with the concept of blood magic. The mages did indeed use demons, certainly after joining the Venotori, as well as red lyrium. If you think the head of both factions being asshats is ironic, then well, all the power to you.
Indeed. Mages are just innocent people who want to live their lives in peace! Just make sure you don't do anything ever that could be in any way considered unkind or they'll sign on with Tevinter, start summoning Demons, and whatever else they can think of...
Basically yeah.
its really not lol people need to get off the horses they are losing oxygen lol of course and the templars are just drinking the kool-aid lol
The OP wanted an answer to which faction would appeal to them most and wanted to know the pros and cons of both sides. As such, we attempted to have serious discussion, or whatever the analogue to that on BSN is.
I think it must be ironic that not a single rebel mages uses blood magic nor it makes deals with demons or becomes an abomination. Alexius is a human being offering help. Blood magic's none mage version aka red lyrium and dealing with demons and the closest resemble to an abomination was reserved for Templars this time round.
Yeah, so what?
You don't need blood magic to be a terrible mage. You be horrible mage by betraying those who went out of their way to offer you hospitality. Don't get me wrong the templars, with the excepting of Ser Baras, are fricking awful and stupid, but that still doesn't mean the mages are justified every decision they make. They need to earn the trust of the people and you don't do that by outing a kind noble from their home and selling yourselves to the embodiment of evil mages in a lot of peasants minds.
my friend you know the bsn cant hold a logical disscussion on dalish and magic lol we get way too into itBasically yeah. The OP wanted an answer to which faction would appeal to them most and wanted to know the pros and cons of both sides. As such, we attempted to have serious discussion, or whatever the analogue to that on BSN is.
my friend you know the bsn cant hold a logical disscussion on dalish and magic lol we get way too into it
That discussion got totally boring, bro, so we moved on to arguing among each other.
Way more fun.
I'm still confused as to why Fiona had to accept Alexius' help in the first place. She and the rebel mages were in Redcliffe, the peasantry and Arl Teagan accepted them willingly and offered to protect them with their knights from the rogue Templars. And yet she betrays that trust and joins the magister who demands that service in indentured servitude for several years.
You may feel sympathy for the rebel mages but you at least have to acknowledge that they had alternative options for getting help and that Fiona is a terrible leader who sold her people into slavery.
Ferelden offered them food and shelter but you saw the cut scene of Harding killing the templar and the mage in the Hinterlands, the war was coming to them and according to Fiona they were losing. Fiona and the other rebel mages probably thought they were on the brink of annihilation and would be cast out when harboring them becomes too inconvenient to Ferelden. Their fears probably seemed more justified by whatever time manipulating shenanigans alexius used on them. Here comes a Magister who offers them an alliance, possibly safe passage to Tevinter where they don't hunt and lynch mages. Stay in the south and get slaughtered or align with Tevinter? the sensible choice at the time was obvious. She was desperate, anyone with any empathy could see it.
Offering sanctuary to the mages is not the same thing as offering a military alliance. Some people seem to be forgetting the difference.
Offering sanctuary does mean they won't be killed. That's kind of what sanctuary means.
duh we are logical and generally law abiding irl here we can war amoungest ourselves in a fun enviromentThat discussion got totally boring, bro, so we moved on to arguing among each other. Way more fun.
not to mention their boss aligned with a doomsday cult and willingly allowed said demon to take his place.
That was the Seekers' leader, not the Templars' technically. The Templars were lead by what they believed to be the Seekers, yet they were manipulated and mind-controlled. The mages, no matter how you twist and turn it, CHOSE their allegiance to the Tevinter and Venatori.
The way I saw it:
Decided to follow up with this Tevinter Magistrate.
Ferelden offered them food and shelter but you saw the cut scene of Harding killing the templar and the mage in the Hinterlands, the war was coming to them and according to Fiona they were losing. Fiona and the other rebel mages probably thought they were on the brink of annihilation and would be cast out when harboring them becomes too inconvenient to Ferelden. Their fears probably seemed more justified by whatever time manipulating shenanigans alexius used on them. Here comes a Magister who offers them an alliance, possibly safe passage to Tevinter where they don't hunt and lynch mages. Stay in the south and get slaughtered or align with Tevinter? the sensible choice at the time was obvious. She was desperate, anyone with any empathy could see it.
But he wasn't offering safe passage to Tevinter, he was offering indentured servitude for several years in exchange for his help. The whole mage rebellion is founded on mages being allowed personal freedoms, and yet Fiona would turn them into slaves just for chance of survival. Furthermore, do you really think that Ferelden would just sit back and allow a bunch of templars to attack one their greatest villages. No. Alistair or Anora would have gone to war with the templars and defended their wards. To leave them for dead or sell them out would have made them weak in the eyes of every nation in Thedas and would have allowed the rogue templars and foothold in their very lands. So while I may be empathic with their situation logic would dictate that they side with their Felelden allies then the Venatori.
Red lyrium has nothing to do with the concept of blood magic.
Conceptually, they're very similar. Hell, if you ask Ser Barris why they took the red Lyrium at Lucius' command he literally applies the "responsible blood magic" argument to red Lyrium. The irony was positively suffocating.
Conceptually, they're very similar. Hell, if you ask Ser Barris why they took the red Lyrium at Lucius' command he literally applies the "responsible blood magic" argument to red Lyrium. The irony was positively suffocating.
That's like comparing the avalanche at Haven to blood magic. Just because both are really stupid to do, doesn't make them related. Especially considering they don't actually know what it is.
But he wasn't offering safe passage to Tevinter, he was offering indentured servitude for several years in exchange for his help. The whole mage rebellion is founded on mages being allowed personal freedoms, and yet Fiona would turn them into slaves just for chance of survival. Furthermore, do you really think that Ferelden would just sit back and allow a bunch of templars to attack one their greatest villages. No. Alistair or Anora would have gone to war with the templars and defended their wards. To leave them for dead or sell them out would have made them weak in the eyes of every nation in Thedas and would have allowed the rogue templars and foothold in their very lands. So while I may be empathic with their situation logic would dictate that they side with their Felelden allies then the Venatori.
I disagree. Yes I do believe Ferelden would sit back and let the templars kill the mages. Despite whatever Alistair's good intentions are, we've seen how his efforts to reform the circle even for his circle grey warden friend was overruled by the chantry and the templars. And Anora would have sold them out without even blinking. You think Ferelden who just went through a blight are willing to fight another war on behalf of refugees? Not all nobles are that noble sadly. at the time, she didn't know they were venatori who wanted to take over Redcliffe, just tevinters who wanted more mage servants. When Alexius took over Redcliffe well there was no turning back.
Indentured servitude was a better alternative then being slaughtered, that is the templars' justice for any apostate. That is the truth.
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