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[Spectre 117]

Very true, attacking people viciously is uncalled for. But the OP asked a question, and the first 3 pages or so was him/her getting bashed, dick jokes, catching the gay oh noes jokes etc...

 

For me it isn't the equal amount of gay/straight, it was the codex found in the middle of nowhere that said the same thing Dorian and Krem/Iron Bull tells you(oh and the god awful hair selection). But some people are still not okay with it, are they not allowed to voice their opinions as well?

 

I brought the book that mentioned the study of sexuality in Thedas, back when there were only two pages to this thread. I brought it as an answer to OPs question but no one seemed to care.

[Charcoal15]

Very true, attacking people viciously is uncalled for. But the OP asked a question, and the first 3 pages or so was him/her getting bashed, dick jokes, catching the gay oh noes jokes etc...

 

For me it isn't the equal amount of gay/straight, it was the codex found in the middle of nowhere that said the same thing Dorian and Krem/Iron Bull tells you(oh and the god awful hair selection). But some people are still not okay with it, are they not allowed to voice their opinions as well?

The op barely asked a question, he said that homosexuality was being pushed down our throats playing that bit in the orlesian court, then he asks if the Orlesian court is just gay in the lore. Thats not exactly an innocent kind question is it? Thats someone saying that they dislike something then asking if something that is very unlikely to happen happened, just to attempt to prove that they must be right.

[pengwin21]

Very true, attacking people viciously is uncalled for. But the OP asked a question, and the first 3 pages or so was him/her getting bashed, dick jokes, catching the gay oh noes jokes etc...

 

For me it isn't the equal amount of gay/straight, it was the codex found in the middle of nowhere that said the same thing Dorian and Krem/Iron Bull tells you(oh and the god awful hair selection). But some people are still not okay with it, are they not allowed to voice their opinions as well?

 

Sure they can, that doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it. If I made a post that complained that heterosexuality was being shoved down my throat because there were more straight companions/advisors compared to anything else and there were so many examples of straight NPC couples in the game and this is all part of Bioware's heterosexual agenda, I'd deserve to be mocked.

[Draining Dragon]

Very true, attacking people viciously is uncalled for. But the OP asked a question, and the first 3 pages or so was him/her getting bashed, dick jokes, catching the gay oh noes jokes etc...
 
For me it isn't the equal amount of gay/straight, it was the codex found in the middle of nowhere that said the same thing Dorian and Krem/Iron Bull tells you(oh and the god awful hair selection). But some people are still not okay with it, are they not allowed to voice their opinions as well?

You big silly. People are only entitled to their opinion if its the right kind of opinion.

 

Diversity means everybody thinks exactly the same way, apparently.

[Nathair Nimheil]

But some people are still not okay with it, are they not allowed to voice their opinions as well?

Depends on the opinion, doesn't it? I mean, if I pop into the forum and offer the opinion that members of a certain real life "race" should only be cast as slaves or perhaps archery targets in the game because, you know, I'm just so tired of BW pandering to the whole civil rights reverse-racism agenda... how do you think people should react to something like that?

[Nathair Nimheil]

You big silly. People are only entitled to their opinion if its the right kind of opinion.
 
Diversity means everybody thinks exactly the same way, apparently.

Criticism is still not censorship.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

From SJWs to Privelegestapo to Hitler to Stalin, Oh, my!

 

I think it's time to flee...

 

[Draining Dragon]

From SJWs to Privelegestapo to Hitler to Stalin, Oh, my!

I think it's time to flee...

But we haven't even started on Mao yet!

[Charcoal15]

Yes I can see the difference. I also noted that the situations were reversed on these forums not to long ago. LGBT wanted more options while straight people were "content" to a certain degree and while the OP shouldn't have said "Agenda" his question was a valid one that people decided to attack and make fun of(valid in the sense that to him it was valid).

 

Now I will say when I first started playing this game last week I knew Dorian was gay, I knew Sera was gay, and I knew what Krem was the first time I saw him. What I didn't need was a Codex explaining, then 5 mins later Dorian says it, then 10 mins later Iron Bull/Krem say it. The issue doesn't need to be addressed as much as it is in this game for the point to go through. It just feels like overkill.

Some people do though, its an issue that should be brought to light. Anyways, they do not exactly try to force anything on you, there is indeed a conversation about it, but that doesn't mean everyone dances around shouting about how terrible it is to disagree. For example, when Dorian meets his father, you can have him forgive his father even though his father disapproves of his homosexuality, you are given the choice on whether you find his fathers reasons justifiable or not, there is no "Look at our propaganda, support lgbt" there is a choice on whether you care about it or not. 

[daveliam]

Yes I can see the difference. I also noted that the situations were reversed on these forums not to long ago. LGBT wanted more options while straight people were "content" to a certain degree and while the OP shouldn't have said "Agenda" his question was a valid one that people decided to attack and make fun of(valid in the sense that to him it was valid).

 

Now I will say when I first started playing this game last week I knew Dorian was gay, I knew Sera was gay, and I knew what Krem was the first time I saw him. What I didn't need was a Codex explaining, then 5 mins later Dorian says it, then 10 mins later Iron Bull/Krem say it. The issue doesn't need to be addressed as much as it is in this game for the point to go through. It just feels like overkill.

 

The situations weren't reversed though.  You didn't see gay people saying "I can't believe this propaganda!  They are shoving their straight agenda down our throats!!"  You saw gay people asking for more gay representation.  It's not a zero sum game.  It costs very little to add in a gay NPC couple arguing on the balcony in Orlais.  It didn't 'take away' straight representation to do that.

 

What you see now are straight people (like the OP) asking for less gay representation.  Taking away what is there.  That's a totally different thing.

 

Regarding the codex:  There's a single codex in a game that is over 100+ hours long.  There are also codex entries that explain the history of the Chantry, but that dialogue can be learned in the game as well.  It's not uncommon and a single codex is hardly 'overkill'.  Literally one codex. 

[DemGeth]

Anyways, I don't care about diversity. I don't value some crap bigoted opinion. You aren't a special snowflake and know no great truth.

[Draining Dragon]

Why is sexuality such a big deal nowadays? Why can't people keep it between the sheets? It's starting to feel like a political tool for support.

That's because that's EXACTLY what its become.

[daveliam]

Why is sexuality such a big deal nowadays? Why can't people keep it between the sheets? It's starting to feel like a political tool for support.

 

Oh yeah, it's definitely nowadays that sexuality is being used for a political tool.  It's totally not been something that's been leveraged for political purposes since the dawn of time.  

[Iokastos]

Male homosexual here.

 

It almost seems like Thedas is much more sexually fluid than our reality, you can even meet that lesbian scout in the Hinterlands...next to a corpse (I admit, for a moment I thought: "wtf?! Lesbian necrophilia??!?"). 

 

In moderation this is well and good, it's nice to have so many options and such different backgrounds. However in some instances I felt it was a bit forced, as in "Look! We are soooo progressive!"

[Charcoal15]

Why is sexuality such a big deal nowadays? Why can't people keep it between the sheets? It's starting to feel like a political tool for support.

Its a big deal because its only fair for people to be equally represented, just like racism. You cant not mention it because people dislike not being represented, but then when someone innocently asks to be represented more, others say they do not want that. Argument erupts. The person in the wrong is the person saying they do not want anyone but themselves to be represented, as that is unfair.

[KainD]

We should play a game. Take your pick:

 

1) A drinking game where you have to take a shot every time someone goes out of line in this thread.

 

2) Countdown how many posts it will take before this gets locked. 

 

3) Drink every time someone answers to a reasonable post with a stupid maymay image.

 

People still want to shove things down their throat it seems. 

[Charcoal15]

Male homosexual here.

 

It almost seems like Thedas is much more sexually fluid than our reality, you can even meet that lesbian scout in the Hinterlands...next to a corpse (I admit, for a moment I thought: "wtf?! Lesbian necrophilia??!?"). 

 

In moderation this is well and good, it's nice to have so many options and such different backgrounds. However in some instances I felt it was a bit forced, as in "Look! We are soooo progressive!"

At the same time, this is a fantasy world were people are open about their sexuality and their isn't really an issue with it, as far as we know, there are just as many lgbt people on Earth as their is in Thedas, however, people do not mention it on earth due to discrimination, whereas in Thedas they have no problem with openly mentioning it.

[mikeymoonshine]

Why is sexuality such a big deal nowadays? Why can't people keep it between the sheets? It's starting to feel like a political tool for support.

 

I don't understand people who make points like this. Almost nobody keeps their sexuality "between the sheets" unless their sexuality is illegal or frowned upon at least. 

[Charcoal15]

Except in this case the OP said Agenda. that was highlighted in the next few posts and it went downhill from there. He didn't ask to take anything out, he simply asked if Orlesian noble court had any straight people. And on that note I didn't notice it while I was doing that quest so I can't answer is original question.

The OP probably did not deserve to be as attacked as we was, but he did say that their was a point in which the homosexuality was being "shoved down your throats" and it really is not. So he sort of deserved to be attacked because if a gay guy said "heterosexuality is being shoved down my throat" he would be attacked. 

[Draining Dragon]

The OP probably did not deserve to be as attacked as we was, but he did say that their was a point in which the homosexuality was being "shoved down your throats" and it really is not. So he sort of deserved to be attacked because if a gay guy said "heterosexuality is being shoved down my throat" he would be attacked.

On this forum? No, he really wouldn't.

In fact, the people who criticized would be labeled homophobes and the thread would go downhill from there until it went up in a glorious surge of flame.

[DukeMcFishy]

You know... I haven't romanced or really payed attention to all this stuff and to be honest it didn't even stand out all that much to me. Sure I might have noticed it at the time but I guess I quickly forgot about it. I certainly didn't had the feeling anything got "forced" onto me.

 

Maybe it's just me, or maybe this is a North American thing, because you guys recently just got all "progressive" with all this stuff and in some countries in Europe it has been more or less accepted for more than 20 years now.

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

We all live in our own carefully crafted worlds in real life, much the same as a video game world. You make decisions, life glad wraps itself around those decisions, and you have to cope with the residue. I grew up in a small midwestern town which had a population of under 30k and 99% of those were white people. Gay people was something you saw "on the cable TV" or maybe you knew one or two people who were teased for being effeminate, but would never openly be gay because that just gets you beat up. That's reality for a lot of the stock of America.

 

Then I go and move to one of the most "gay" places on earth and most of my friends are not white. I also have friends who are gay. This for my back ground pretty much makes me a model of acceptance and eligible for sainthood, a beacon of light for all the uncultured heathens who come from such places. 

 

That said, I feel sorry for people that latch themselves on to ideas or causes of equality. If they spent possibly more time just working on being a decent person rather than telling everyone else how they should act, they would be doing their part to make our world a better place. As it stands, these causes serve only to further the gap between people who believe differently than them. You're never going to be able to change someones mind about a group of people or an idea or a stigma, but you can change their minds about you, as a person. And it's hard to paint an agreeable picture of yourself when you're busy telling everyone else what they should think.

 

But just like they ignore you and continue to hate, you will ignore me, and continue to preach. By making this post I probably already care more than wisdom dictates I should, which is already not much.