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[MadMaximoff]

Orlais has the same stance on Homosexuality as Antivia. They literally don't care.

Whereas Fereldan see it as a bit shocking and Tevinter are outright opposed to it.

I didn't bat an eyelid to any of the different relationships in the court and Dorian is my Inquistiors Bestie.

If you think they are forcing the Agenda, perhaps the problem is you are looking far too much into it.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Why are homophobes so obsessed with getting things shoved down their throats?

 

To be fair, shoving things down people's throats without asking first is totally rude. IMHO, it's a yellow card offence, much like hair-pulling.

 

I'm not sure what it has to do with gay background NPCs at a fancy Orlesian party, though. (Unless that's what the gay background NPCs were talking about ...)

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Its not propaganda against heterosexuality.

 

If anything, the Orlesian noble court are full of cold hearted selfish pretentious cutthroats. As a straight male myself, isn't it a good thing to see heterosexuals to be the minority there ?

 

[RenAdaar]

[holdenagincourt]

Cullen had more female admirers than male. I think it was supposed to be a Cullenite reference, I found it amusing.

 

Exactly this. For the person who created this topic, the male admirer became Cullen's only suitor worth mentioning (and also became gay, which he just assumes) because of his own personal insecurities.

 

This thread is a perfect example of how many people take heteronormativity for granted and enter a frenzied state of moral panic, seeing a dangerous "agenda" everywhere, when non-hetero people dare to step outside of what they perceive as their appropriate boundaries.

 

Interesting how no one ever talks about the "straight agenda," by the way.

[Joy Sauce]

This thread makes me think about all the times heterosexuality has been shoved down my throat in previous games...

 

King Cailan is is married to Anora, a woman? Stop forcing your heterosexual agenda on me Bioware!

[Nemis-Roidsavelt]

Just did some research. It would seem that its possible that every single one of us is bie. I wouldn't believe this research if I didn't learn something about myself about 30min ago.

[snackrat]

More likely they're full of bis, tbh.

 

Also those are just the ones that talked, what about the others? Plenty of places in Val Royeux or among the nobles at the ball talking about scandalous hetero pairings, or trying to set them up.

 

This might be a case of comparison. Because the amount is a greater precentage than you are used to, it feels like they are getting more attention than the majority (even if that isn't the case).

[RobRam10]

No mention of Gaspard or that lady talking about her numerous husbands. This thread is ****.

[daveliam]

No mention of Gaspard or that lady talking about her numerous husbands. This thread is ****.

 

How could they be mentioned?  They are non-existent.  Didn't you read the thread title?

 

That one gay Cullenite (who can blame him really....), Celene and Briala, and the gay couple arguing on the balcony have wiped their heterosexuality from existence.  That's how it works after all.  Dat agenda.

[Nathair Nimheil]

No chance in hell im bi.

Did you hear that? I'm sure I just heard the universe whisper "Challenge accepted."

[mikeymoonshine]

This whole "Social Justice" in gaming discussion is soo stupid.  Both sides are wrong and full of unreasonable idiots. 

 

The chances are if you have some strong set of beliefs then you are probably going to see something in the media that you disagree with, this is as true for radical feminists as it is for christian fundamentalists. If you really must get your knickers in a twist about this fact then fine but don't expect people to take you or your sensibilities seriously. 

[Storvacker]

Yeah, just imagine too much justice. What a nightmare!

 

Too much justice? I think that was what happened to DA2 Anders.

 

 

Orlais has the same stance on Homosexuality as Antivia. They literally don't care.

Whereas Fereldan see it as a bit shocking and Tevinter are outright opposed to it.

I didn't bat an eyelid to any of the different relationships in the court and Dorian is my Inquistiors Bestie.

If you think they are forcing the Agenda, perhaps the problem is you are looking far too much into it.

 

The impression I got is that Tevinter does not outright oppose it for its own sake but instead is very focused on creating "the perfect bloodline" and thus has a large focus on straight "breeding" couples.

[Nathair Nimheil]

This whole "Social Justice" in gaming discussion is soo stupid.  Both sides are wrong and full of unreasonable idiots.

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[SwobyJ]

I certainly do find some atheists and feminists even more annoying than many fundamentalist Christians

 

I'm an (agnostic/gnostic waffling) atheist btw. And a (progressive) feminist.

 

I just find atheism and feminism a better stance to take. A better stance, a better order to see the world in, doesn't actually eliminate scumbags that believe the same or similar things. Sometimes it even enables them, giving them a perceived high ground that they otherwise do not deserve. (The worst experience in my life came from interactions with a guy on the left, even as the majority of bad experiences I've had came from interactions with people on the right. So which is worse for me? lol. I may be eternally annoyed with 'the right', but I'm actually psychologically scarred from 'the left' 0_0. And I know this is just my personal experience and that other people have went through the opposite.)

 

I find nothing wrong with the pursuit of social justice in itself. I just believe that this isn't one of smooth sailing. Not just because of those who outright oppose any form of it ('the right'), but because those who pursue it may not even have the most helpful definitions of what it means, and the most helpful methods of doing so. I have to question people sometimes: "What's your end goal? What are you exactly trying to do here? Is there a 'stop' point to this process?", just to see if they have any structure to their ideals.

 

You may have a Will And Grace that technically does normalize homosexuality with a viewing audience, but is it the right way? And what if it even turns some people off of tolerance? Etc. I'd still view it as an overall benefit, but that doesn't mean some things don't go wrong along the way.

 

Thankfully, in Bioware's case, I see developers who are willing to revisit their approaches to sexuality in their games and they have an openness to change. Sometimes they've actually gone 'too far' in some ways for some things, and tried to be more thoughtful next time.

 

I mean, I appreciate sexing Zevran and all, and gladly did it in DAO, but he's a joke and still fostered negative attitudes about homosexual men. I wish I didn't live in a world where that's the consequence sometimes, but I have to admit I do live in this world where people are never going to think exactly as I do. And that's a good thing. Because how I think may be somewhat to very incorrect in a lot of matters - this includes social matters.

 

I still agree with the XKCD comic, by the way. Its actually one of my favorites. I just wanted to express how I often think that it isn't as simple as that. There's a point where many great people who are even on the 'correct' side see who else is there and go 'wow, these are jerks and I don't know if I want to spend my time around them for this specific cause' (whether 'GamerGate' or 'social justice' or whatever else).

[mikeymoonshine]

I know that was just a joke response but still. 

 

It's quite bad comparison that can be applied to pretty much everyone who ever expressed an opinion on the internet. We all think we are the ones who are right about everything even if we don't like to admit it. You obviously feel your opinion is superior to a lot of people's in this thread or you wouldn't be trolling them with your responses. 

 

I do not believe the discussion has all that much merit, at least not anymore. I also think there are unreasonable people on both sides who are only interested in bashing others and demonizing them for who they are and for what they enjoy. 

[Nathair Nimheil]

I know that was just a joke response but still. 

 

It's quite bad comparison that can be applied to pretty much everyone who ever expressed an opinion on the internet. We all think we are the ones who are right about everything even if we don't like to admit it, you obviously feel your opinion is superior to a lot of people's in this thread or you wouldn't be trolling them with your responses. 

 

I do not believe the discussion has all that much merit, at least not anymore. I also think there are unreasonable people on both sides who are only interested in bashing others and demonizing them for who they are and for what they enjoy. 

That was aimed at me, right? No, that wasn't really a joke response. Social justice, egalitarianism, privilege and human rights, these are neither trivial nor simple issues. This is especially true when you come to the point of addressing specific indivual actions vs overall patterns of behavior. It's deeply complicated stuff. Passions run high, there are bound to be occasional excesses from all "sides" of the issue. However, waving a flag for attention and then arbitrarily declaring that both sides are wrong (whatever that even means) and dismissing the whole issue as though it is beneath you, well, let's just say it looks like posturing and I am unimpressed.

[lady8jane]

Damn you people! This thread was comedy gold, why did you have to start with the serious arguments again?

[TK514]

I have yet to see a constructive discussion on this subject from the BSN.  Ever.

[Nathair Nimheil]

I have yet to see a constructive discussion on this subject from the BSN.  Ever.

I can't imagine anything more productive happening in an OMG! THE GAY AGENDA! thread than this. We had a few laughs, nobody drew blood, nobody started screaming, about the best that can be expected I'd say.

[VilniusNastavnik]

Have you seen the way Orlesians dress? Hard to not think there are more than a couple of them swallowing swords in the broom closet.. Hell, in a society so open, and with, a bit more than should be ingested, alcohol, it is obvious cullen would get hit on... not to mention his hair.. It looks like he spends more time on it than I do to get ready in the morning.  

All jokes aside, I had a good laugh at watching Cullen squirm. Thought it was quite amusing. Though I really did not notice any "homosexual agenda" at all. 

[Nathair Nimheil]

Though I really did not notice any "homosexual agenda" at all.