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[Nathair Nimheil]

If you mean "physical harm" yeah, it's an easy yardstick.

No, I don't. Why would you make that leap?

[mikeymoonshine]

If morality is just so society can work together what is personal moral all about? What we think is right and wrong and why we so stuff?
Legit curious now.

 

It's complicated and to be fair I was over simplifying. There are other factors like empathy, cultural traditions and religion. Empathy allows us to see ourselves in other peoples shoes, it's still mostly selfish but it allows us to care about others too. Religion often keeps out dated moral values present in modern societies for longer than they needed to be there, if they needed to at all. 

 

Still though most of the things that are considered morally wrong by most people either damage society or deviate from the norm and something that deviates from the norm can potentially damage society, in some cases. 

[OHB MajorV]

Someone explain why fictional character sexual preferences are a topic of discussion here? Seriously the game got an M rating if you are not capable of navigating such topics maybe you simply aren't mature enough to even own this game. Personal feelings aside it's time to accept that homosexuals and heterosexuals share the same world and it's no longer a secret or even taboo status. It's gonna be ok OP I don't think the game is gonna give you the gay.

[Nathair Nimheil]

To be honest this is actually accurate, wrong does just mean unpopular. Murder for example is just a form of unlawful killing, It's wrong because if it wasn't out society would be unsafe and unable to function properly.Morality happens because it's better for us if we all work together and generally agree on what we should and shouldn't be doing.

Do you realize that you just said "Wrong means unpopular" and then went on to give an example of how you think moral wrong actually derives from questions of harm and Benthamite utility?

[Rannik]

Apparently they had to pray the gay away after they did the quest or something.

 

There's magic for that... which means there must be magic to make you gay too.

 

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Actually, I'm surprised the trolls didn't pick up on that one yet.

[Ynqve]

Ahh sorry! But the point still stands. No one needs to speak for straight people, because we can speak for ourselves. And generalizations only lead to trouble.

 

I agree completely! It's so infuriating when someone claims to speak for an entire group of people like this.

[Stakrin]

It's pretty annoying that suddenly talking about gay characters in a way anothwr poster doesn't like= homophobic uneducated scared to "catch the gay" pray it all way discriminating straight male.

[Rannik]

It's pretty annoying that suddenly talking about gay characters in a way anothwr poster doesn't like= homophobic uneducated scared to "catch the gay" pray it all way discriminating straight male.

 

Welcome to the SJW Inquisition.

[Paul E Dangerously]

It's pretty annoying that suddenly talking about gay characters in a way anothwr poster doesn't like= homophobic uneducated scared to "catch the gay" pray it all way discriminating straight male.

 

Sort of a "line in the sand" mentality. If you're not for them, you're against them.

[mikeymoonshine]

Do you realize that you just said "Wrong means unpopular" and then went on to give an example of how you think moral wrong actually derives from questions of harm and Benthamite utility?

 

Yep. 

[Nathair Nimheil]

It's pretty annoying that suddenly talking about gay characters in a way anothwr poster doesn't like= homophobic uneducated scared to "catch the gay" pray it all way discriminating straight male.

It's not about saying things "another poster doesn't like", it's about saying homophobic things. (Which is why that other poster didn't like it.)

[Nathair Nimheil]

Sort of a "line in the sand" mentality. If you're not for them, you're against them.

That's absolutely right. Human rights are a line in the sand.

[Sir DeLoria]

Do you think that Stalin or Hitler taking power somehow hit the reset button and erased a couple of thousand years of profoundly religious cultural development?
 
Sorry, I don't know enough about the history of Asian homophobia to comment confidently, I was talking about Western culture. But, that being said, I was under the impression that in China homophobia pretty much directly coincides with the growing adopting of Western cultural elements.

Well, it's pretty hard to find a major culture anywhere in the world without major religious cultural development. Atheism and agnosticism becoming mainstream is after all a very recent development.

As far as I know, while being historically less intolerant of homosexuality than the West, homosexuality has been persecuted in China and other Asian countries.

Nazi Germany was not anti religious.

Most high ranking Nazi party members were non-religious, including Hitler, despite his Catholic roots. Both the Catholic and Lutheranian church lost significant power, many religious organizations were closed and thousands of clergy members (especially Polish) were persecuted and murdered by the Nazis.

So I yes, there was deffinitely a significant anti-religious streak.

[Paul E Dangerously]

That's absolutely right. Human rights are a line in the sand.

 

Last time I checked, the gay/straight ratio in a game wasn't an essential human right. Or have we veered off to some sociopolitical topic yet, because I'm pretty good at ignoring those wholesale.

[Stakrin]

It's not about saying things "another poster doesn't like", it's about saying homophobic things. (Which is why that other poster didn't like it.)

I misspelled another and I just noticed and now it is annoying me.

Nobody's been homophobic. People have just been scared that others are being homophobic. It's acute heterophobia.

lol

[Spectre 117]

I misspelled another and I just noticed and now it is annoying me.
Nobody's been homophobic. People have just been scared that others are being homophobic. It's acute heterophobia.
lol

This whole thread has been completely petty from the start.

[Nathair Nimheil]

Last time I checked, the gay/straight ratio in a game wasn't an essential human right.

Pedantry is fun!

 

Representation is intimately connected to larger, real world human rights issues. It is significant part of an essential whole.

[mikeymoonshine]

Most high ranking Nazi party members were non-religious, including Hitler, despite his Catholic roots. Both the Catholic and Lutheranian church lost significant power, many religious organizations were closed and thousands of clergy members (especially Polish) were persecuted and murdered by the Nazis.

So I yes, there was deffinitely a significant anti-religious streak.

 

Hitler may not have actually been a fan of the church but he still promoted religious ideas. He claimed that he was doing gods work and his anti semitic views came directly from the catholic church. Anti church is not the same thing as anti religious. 

 

Incidentally, Stalinist Russia's opposition to religion was also more of an opposition to the church because they believed the church promoted classism. 

[Primula Nightfall]

No, I don't. Why would you make that leap?

 

Nevermind - it will end up being a long-winded debate concerning morality which would be quite off topic here.

[Rannik]

Representation is intimately connected to larger, real world human rights issues. It is significant part of an essential whole.

 

Entertainment is serious business indeed.

[MindWeb]

larger, real world human rights issues. It is significant part of an essential whole.

Like the 'patriarchy'.