Guest_E-Ro_*
Like the 'patriarchy'.
I have long maintained the assertion that we should replace the oppressive patriarchy with an oppressive matriarchy. My dissertation will be on the topic, it will feature a multi faceted argument for why this should be the case, and why it would solve all of our problems.
Well, it's pretty hard to find a major culture anywhere in the world without major religious cultural development.
That's where history is such a big help.
As far as I know, while being historically less intolerant of homosexuality than the West, homosexuality has been persecuted in China and other Asian countries.
No, I don't believe that's true. Neither does Wikipedia, for what that's worth. For example: "Unlike the histories of European and European-ruled polities in which Christianity formed the core of heavily-anti-LGBT laws until recent times, non-heterosexual states of being were historically treated with far less animosity in historic Chinese states." Pretty much exactly supports my point, that.
So I yes, there was deffinitely a significant anti-religious streak.
It's actually pretty complicated but this isn't the place for that. Even if Germany did suddenly become anti-theist, Hitler still didn't have a cultural reset button that cancelled out the last thousand years.
Pedantry is fun!
Representation is intimately connected to larger, real world human rights issues. It is significant part of an essential whole.
And I maintain that an entertainment media doesn't always have to account for every representation. Look at period pieces or adaptations of material where it wouldn't fit, for example.
Again, my only real quibble is implementation. Bioware's good at heart, but the actual execution tends to be a bit on the "blunt force trauma" side. There's no real grace or flow to it.
Look how the Anders thing was handled in DA2, and the nasty replies to it that lumped any (legitimate!) criticism of the scene into the same "You're just hating it because a gay guy hit on you" batch, even from the developers.
I think about the worst it gets in DAI is the Krem bit, which is far more irritating than any background scene. Not because of what it represents, but on how amazingly hamfisted the entire shebang comes across..and I love Krem as a character.
Guest_Juromaro_*
Pedantry is fun!
Representation is intimately connected to larger, real world human rights issues. It is significant part of an essential whole.
I'm not sure how someone questioning if a nation in a video game has straight people has anything to do with gay men and women being able to marry, adopt, become priests, being victim of a hate crime, being denied loans for houses, cars, being denied jobs and all the other things that are "real" human rights issues....Representation of one's sexual preference in a video game is farthest from a human rights issue as you can get.
What you are doing however is taking someone's question/dislike from a video game and trying to input real life scenarios into a situation to try and verify what you believe is right while trying to deny someone else their own beliefs in the process.
I have long maintained the assertion that we should replace the oppressive patriarchy with an oppressive matriarchy. My dissertation will be on the topic, it will feature a multi faceted argument for why this should be the case, and why it would solve all of our problems.
Yeah, right. You just want dominatrices in leather.
Bioware hasn't exactly made a secret about where they stand on this issue. Are the people complaining new or did they somehow miss the entire Anders debate after Dragon Age 2?
I'm confused as how this could possibly come as a surprise for anyone. Personally it's one of the things I appreciate about Bioware or at least the Dragon Age studio, they are doing their own thing rather then trying to be the Witcher or Game of Thrones. Not every universe needs to be dark and depressing with sexist/homophobic characters all over the place.
Entertainment is serious business indeed.
You're darn Skippy it is.
Art, theatre and literature have always been of enormous significance in both reflecting and influencing society. What you consume influences who you are.
Guest_E-Ro_*
Yeah, right. You just want dominatrices in leather.
Shhhhhhh! Your gonna ruin it!
And I maintain that an entertainment media doesn't always have to account for every representation. Look at period pieces or adaptations of material where it wouldn't fit, for example.
Of course they don't have to and I don't think anyone is trying to make it legally mandatory. But they should whenever possible and there is no reason that concerned people shouldn't try to encourage or influence them to do so.
Of course they don't have to and I don't think anyone is trying to make it legally mandatory. But they should whenever possible and there is no reason that concerned people shouldn't try to encourage or influence them to do so.
Exactly. Bioware doesn't have to show "anything", but if they choose to and it's in their right as developers to develop characters and scenarios to their fitting, as long as it's reasonable within the world that they're creating, which is perfectly acceptable in Dragon Age.
I really don't see the issue with any of those scenes, if you don't like it - ignore it because I doubt it will affect the users experience to an extent where they'd avoid playing the game... cause if it did, well pity on them.
You're darn Skippy it is.
Art, theatre and literature have always been of enormous significance in both reflecting and influencing society. What you consume influences who you are.
Too bad evidence disagrees. The most accepting countries in the world achieved equality in the streets, showing the rest that there was simply nothing to fear without the need of silly media representation or even hate-fueled countermovements (like the SJW one).
But feel free to keep pushing the "us vs them" attitude, demanding stupid quotas on meaningless entertainment and discussing about silly videogames like they have any importance while doing absolutely nothing to resolve actual issues in a fair and inclusive way, it's pretty amusing to see from afar.
Meanwhile I'll enjoy walking around holding some dude's hand without any worries whatsoever, we earned it 
I'm not sure how someone questioning if a nation in a video game has straight people has anything to do with gay men and women being able to marry, adopt, become priests, being victim of a hate crime, being denied loans for houses, cars, being denied jobs and all the other things that are "real" human rights issues....
Well that's the problem with meticulously reframing the issue in your own terms, it makes it very hard to see other people's concerns.
Representation of one's sexual preference in a video game is farthest from a human rights issue as you can get.
No, it's not. It has been widely shown that familiarity and exposure generate empathy and serve to overcome antipathy. When you come to understand that The Other is actually a lot less alien than you thought, acceptance happens. One of the best ways to wrap your head around the way other people live and experience life is through art and narrative. Consider, for example, Uncle Tom's Cabin which was credited by some with bringing about the election of Lincoln and the start of the Civil War. (For a really accessible look at this idea read Pinker's The Better Angels of our Nature. His discussion of the rise of literacy and it's effect on increasing empathy and subsequent decline in violence is quite on point here.)
Someone straight says theres too little heterosexuality: Everyone agrees
Someone gay feels like they are a little unrepresented so likes the fact that Dragon Age includes them: Everyone says they want more straight people in game because its not like real life and "ruins the immersion."
Like the 'patriarchy'.
I have long maintained the assertion that we should replace the oppressive patriarchy with an oppressive matriarchy. My dissertation will be on the topic, it will feature a multi faceted argument for why this should be the case, and why it would solve all of our problems.
Aaaaaaaaaand we're pulling out the strawman arguments.
Stay classy, BSN.
Guest_Juromaro_*
Someone straight says theres too little heterosexuality: Everyone agrees
Someone gay feels like they are a little unrepresented so likes the fact that Dragon Age includes them: Everyone says they want more straight people in game because its not like real life and "ruins the immersion."
Lately it's been more of
Someone straight says there is too little heterosexualtiy: Bashed for being homophobic, threads closed because said people end up derailing the thread and becoming aggressive with their posts.
Someone gay feels like they are a little unrepresented so likes the fact that DA includes them: Yay for us, now lets go attack anyone who argues with it.
Now granted straight people acted that way in the past.
Lately it's been more of
Someone straight says there is too little heterosexualtiy: Bashed for being homophobic, threads closed because said people end up derailing the thread and becoming aggressive with their posts.
Someone gay feels like they are a little unrepresented so likes the fact that DA includes them: Yay for us, now lets go attack anyone who argues with it.
Now granted straight people acted that way in the past.
But its fair, attacking people viciously is uncalled for, but what right have they to call out the game on having too little heterosexuality? Dragon age is one game were lgbt people are properly represented, if people dislike there being an almost equal amount of lgbt to straight people in the game then they are way too easily offended.
Everyone is too easily offended these days.
And yes, I mean everyone.
Aaaaaaaaaand we're pulling out the strawman arguments.
Stay classy, BSN.
We should play a game. Take your pick:
1) A drinking game where you have to take a shot every time someone goes out of line in this thread.
2) Countdown how many posts it will take before this gets locked.
Everyone is too easily offended these days.
And yes, I mean everyone.
Nope.
Lately it's been more of
Someone straight says there is too little heterosexualtiy: Bashed for being homophobic, threads closed because said people end up derailing the thread and becoming aggressive with their posts.
Someone gay feels like they are a little unrepresented so likes the fact that DA includes them: Yay for us, now lets go attack anyone who argues with it.
Now granted straight people acted that way in the past.
Ugh. I was going to stay out of it today, but I have to chime in to ask:
Can you see the difference between "I want to see more heterosexual couples represented in the game" and "There are too many homosexual couples in the game"?
One is asking for more of what you want to see. The other is asking for less of what other people want to see. It's the phrasing of the latter that is problematic. It's the connotation that having the amount of LGBT content in this game (which is pretty minimal still) is a problem.
And let's not even get into the "agenda" and "propaganda" and "shoving it down our throat" stuff.
We should play a game. Take your pick:
1) A drinking game where you have to take a shot every time someone goes out of line in this thread.
2) Countdown how many posts it will take before this gets locked.
3) Drink every time someone answers to a reasonable post with a stupid maymay image.
What exactly does "in the streets" even mean in this context? And what liberal, LGBT friendly country are you thinking of in which there has been no representation of LGBT people in the culture? Nowhereistan? I live in a place quite high up on the acceptance scale. I've been here since the days when men were being tossed into prison for life for the crime of homosexuality and I've seen it change until, today, same-sex marriage is unremarkable and gender identity and expression are thoroughly protected under the law. I know whereof I speak. Art and media are crucial to change.Too bad evidence disagrees, the most accepting countries in the world achieved equality in the streets, showing the rest that there was simply nothing to fear without the need of silly representation
It's interesting, don't you think, that you are the one tossing out pejorative epithets and frothing about how hate filled I am.even hate-fueled countermovements (like the SJW one).
Now there's a tangle of issues. Fortunately I have a moment to go through the pile.But feel free to keep pushing the "us vs them" atittude, demanding stupid quotas on meaninless entertaintment and discussing about silly videogames like they have any importance while doing absolutely nothing to resolve actual issues in a fair and inclusive way, it's pretty amusing to see from afar.
3) Drink every time someone answers to a reasonable post with a stupid maymay image.
Are we brave enough for this? This could potentially be a suicide.
Guest_Juromaro_*
But its fair, attacking people viciously is uncalled for, but what right have they to call out the game on having too little heterosexuality? Dragon age is one game were lgbt people are properly represented, if people dislike there being an almost equal amount of lgbt to straight people in the game then they are way too easily offended.
Very true, attacking people viciously is uncalled for. But the OP asked a question, and the first 3 pages or so was him/her getting bashed, dick jokes, catching the gay oh noes jokes etc...
For me it isn't the equal amount of gay/straight, it was the codex found in the middle of nowhere that said the same thing Dorian and Krem/Iron Bull tells you(oh and the god awful hair selection). But some people are still not okay with it, are they not allowed to voice their opinions as well?
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