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In Your Heart Shall Burn: If you don't Die from a Stroke Doing it


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Okay moderators why did you delete my previous post on this subject? Was my attitude to much for you? Or, do you delete all posts that talk negatively about Bioware?

 

I will try again and try not to bad mouth Bioware in the process. My biggest grip is trying to aim that asinine Trebuchet while hordes of Red Templars pound your butt to death—whether you are at level 8 or 11. How is it that a Red Templar can strike you once with a sword and you lose half of your health, but the same does not apply when it is your character doing the striking—especially when you are a Mage of all things; and playing on a PC? Why did Bioware make nigh on impossible to keep turning the screw by having to hold down the "F" key to get the NPC to keep turning it? So, in the meantime you cannot keep the rest of your tem healthy during the fight: Because you are stuck holding down the stupid "F" key? STUPID!

 

Why did Bioware make that battle so damn hard, even on casual? That is so wrong on so many levels. I cannot progress in the game because I cannot complete the “In Your Heart Shall Burn”: Because it is nigh on impossible to beat it. I have tried many, many times with different teammates, but to no damn avail.

 

Why would Bioware make it so that some people can’t progress in the game beyond the very beginning?

 

 

 

I am disgustingly appalled!!!!!!!!!!


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You do know that you can aim the trebuchet during the fighting? Have Cassandra or Blackwall tank the enemies and use Varric/Sera/Solas or whoever you picked to just constantly aim the trebuchet.



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Nightdragon8

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so you where trying to aim it while the guys where around you?? Why didn't you kill them all THEN do it, and the next wave comes and rinse and repeat. That's what I did anyway.


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so you where trying to aim it while the guys where around you?? Why didn't you kill them all THEN do it, and the next wave comes and rinse and repeat. That's what I did anyway.

 

You don't have to though, I used my Inquisitor and Cassandra to taunt the enemies and Varric just kept aiming until it was done. There's even a supply stash right next to the trebuchet, so you can just absorb the damage while one guy does the work.


 



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Jaizek

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It is true. I have done it many times over. Sorry about your rage, Here have a beer*Virtual Beer*

 

Cheers mate



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Blue_Shayde

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I...didn't have that problem at all. They all died rather easily, me being at lvl 11.



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Well, that's awkward (I can see your previous post just fine). I'll repost, like Nightdragon mentioned:

 

Stop fiddling with the trebuchet when the templars show up. Knock them down, loot the bodies and then continue turning it.


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So... let me get this straight...  you're playing a mage, and you turn your back on a bunch of Templars in the middle of battle?  And you're wondering why one hit to your exposed back with a broadsword brings you down to half health?  0o

 

Take care of the Templars first.  Either kill them, incapacitate them for an extended period, or taunt them away from the trebuchet.  Or, if you really are set on turning that cog while you're surrounded by angry people with pointy swords - do it with a character who has a crap-ton of health; and who can actually take that kind of beating.  ;)



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So... let me get this straight...  you're playing a mage, and you turn your back on a bunch of Templars in the middle of battle?  And you're wondering why one hit to your exposed back with a broadsword brings you down to half health?  0o

 

Take care of the Templars first.  Either kill them, incapacitate them for an extended period, or taunt them away from the trebuchet.  Or, if you really are set on turning that cog while you're surrounded by angry people with pointy swords - do it with a character who has a crap-ton of health; and who can actually take that kind of beating.  ;)

Not at all, I use Varric to turn the screw. Sara just runs away attacking everything.  As far getting hit that was on the way to the Trebuchet. A Templar hit me with  a sword before i could back away and i lost half of my health. I am 67 years old and I can turn a screw faster than what they do in the goddamn game. And, I will rage all I want, I live in American, a free country--such as it is.



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Grieving Natashina

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Rage away, but do remember that you clicked "yes" to the Terms of Use and the Terms of Service.  If you're being too belligerent towards other posters about your opinion, they will delete posts.  Also, if you honestly believe that the mods delete every negative post towards BioWare, then I can happily direct you towards several hate threads that still exist.  

 

I also have made plenty of posts, one of which directly in response to David Gaider, if I've had disagreements with design direction.  However, I remember that these are human beings that work on the game, and that they have feelings as much as we do.  It's best to keep the insulting to a minimum, and instead focus on the problem.  

 

In your case, the AI is being awful for some reason.   Which I've heard is a pretty common thing.  May I ask what difficulty you are playing on?  I play on Normal, and I had no problem doing that quest at level 11.  The Quest subforum is actually a pretty decent resource, and has helped me before.   :)



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I...didn't have that problem at all. They all died rather easily, me being at lvl 11.

 

The boss in the last wave and his guard? So freaking boring getting that down >.> plus the LOS issues with my ranged characters when he casts his crystals on the ground ugh. 



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L2P



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DragonKill83

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I guess I'm just way too underleveled.  I've already used the supply cache and am on the second wave there.  None of my party members have enough strength to sustain the fighting until they come in and surround me, and I don't have very much health either.  It's not a situation where I can simply "have one person turn the screw while all the others taunt" because there's like 9 enemies on screen at once, and each one of them also takes roughly 1/2 my HP.  I guess my game must be set to Nightmare even though it shows Normal.  I'm level 9.  Recommended 8-11, and my main character has a weapon that does 182 DPS, and another at 151.



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It irritates me that you will try to use the triangle button to "sunder" an enemy, but half the time, even if you ARE in stealth, they'l still turn around on a dime and reduce the damage.  Wth?



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When the first time I played that mission I got annoyed too. Then I looked up a guide that said focus on the little guys first. So I did and now 50 hours later i finished the game relying on the tactics of take the little guy out first.



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You know what I need? A peashooter.  Those things always work.  One right to the templar...er, temple.  But seriously, they're all so much more powerful than I am, I don't really think there's a little guy---there's more like a whole bunch of big guys, and my team looks like it's gone weeks without eating their health bars are so low.  Anybody got a health bar to spare?



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You know what I need? A peashooter.  Those things always work.  One right to the templar...er, temple.  But seriously, they're all so much more powerful than I am, I don't really think there's a little guy---there's more like a whole bunch of big guys, and my team looks like it's gone weeks without eating their health bars are so low.  Anybody got a health bar to spare?

 

Fade Step is a good ability for that fight. Get your mage into the frost spec and you can freeze opponents to take them out, the fire spec also fears opponents as long as you don't attack them. You need to micro your guys hard on that fight, the first time I did it I didn't feel like it was too hard but you have to babysit your companions a LOT. Pretty much on every boss fight in fact.



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DragonKill83

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Yep.  Solas already has Fade Step.  I can upgrade to Frost Step, or choose several of the others...



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I didn't really have a problem with my rogue or mage doing this quest, I found it just the right amount of difficult for me, did you try changing the difficulty settings? I have mine on normal and it works fine. Now the dragons, dear God the dragons... they murder me :S



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Aaaaand...........got it!  I had to play cat and mouse for a while, and luckily it saves your progress after so many pre-programmed cutscenes.  The last round my party had just enough strength to withhold the final assault.  The problem was, I started that quest with two characters less than 10% HP, and nobody had ANY potions or regen potions at all.  So it was a game of "go into stealth, run around the trebuchet" ring around the rosie, then go attack one from behind, run around and around, go back int o stealth, revive a party member when I can without getting hit, lather and repeat.


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Well, as much as I want to, I can't judge too much. I had a pretty difficult time learning this game to begin with. First fight, straight out of the gate at Haven and into the Hinterlands, I nearly got wiped by a trio of lousy bandits or something. So I started over, got the hang of things, and then got wiped in the Hinterlands by those arbitrarily super-leveled Fade Rifts. Maker's blessed balls (he always throws the most wonderful parties) it was Dragon's Dogma all over again.

 

For those unfamiliar with the game, it does a great job of lulling you into a false sense of security right before you get turned into drake-droppings by one of the most powerful monsters in the game, conveniently located in an area you can access at level 1. Doesn't matter which game, really. Anyone else run into Sha-whatever's place and come running back out with their hair on fire?

 

Doesn't make the game unbeatable or unfair, though. You just have to learn how to play it. I play two-handed warrior exclusively, a class that, on the surface of things, gets royally screwed in every age-old conceivable way. For some unbelievable reason, every designer of every fantasy game ever thinks that an arrow or some lame spell can do more damage than having a very heavy sword split you in twain. Furthermore, they consistently forget that heavy armor was often "armor-of-proof" meaning that it had actually been tested against everything from arrows to musket balls and could not be penetrated.

 

It's like they all read the accounts of Crecy and Agincourt, missed the part where knights were stuck in mud, and then forgot to read the parts where the knights caught up with the archers later and massacred them. Fatigue is the only enemy of a warrior in heavy armor, and even that is somewhat misleading IRL. You can grow used to the weight of armor, but this game cheerfully reverses that basic truth by making warriors gain stamina from landing blows.

 

Oh, well, it's their game, so I learned to play it. After numerous ignominious defeats, I had no difficulty with the Haven fight or any thereafter. A warrior can kite the enemy, or put them down and make them stay down until fairy spell-flingers or rouges with impossible crossbows  can combo them into through Skyrim and into Oblivion. I suspect this was done to death in order to make the multiplayer aspect work, but also to balance the single-player.  Let's face it, knights are not fair. There's a reason they dominated every battlefield for hundreds of years, and it wasn't because archers were better, nor even crossbowmen. It was because of numbers that they ultimately failed. It wouldn't be much of a game if you could simply ride down the opposition without taking a hit. If you want that sort of gameplay, you should buy Mount&Blade:Warbands. It has a lovely Steam community that constantly complains about how Swadian (read Swabian) Knights are ridiculously overpowered. Some people just can't take a lance-point. Naturally, you should not forget to invest in BioWare in the meantime.


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I'm beginning to think this game has the flavor of an "acquired taste" to it.  It certainly isn't a game for people with little patience, or those who don't adapt to steep learning curves.  One thing I am, though, is persistent, when determined.  We'll live another day in Thedas.


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Played it on casual - no problem. Kill - wind - kill - wind - kill-kill-wind-wind.



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For those unfamiliar with the game, it does a great job of lulling you into a false sense of security right before you get turned into drake-droppings by one of the most powerful monsters in the game, conveniently located in an area you can access at level 1.

 

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I swear that I cleared 80% of the Hinterlands without meeting this dragon. In the STORM COAST after clearing most of it I saw a Dragon, way off in the distance and the bloody thing flew off as I approached.

 

I'm level 17 and that is my sum total experience with a dragon (btw, just got into Skyhold).



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Kill the templars first, then aim the trebuchet.