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[LordParbr]

Er, two?

I meant straight. Dunno why I said lesbian... Mind in the gutter probably.

[Lord Surinen]

Now this I can't get behind. There's no reason to inherently favor or disfavor any particular demographic with romance options.

Numbers, money, these are the factors that should dictate placement of favour.

 

No, this is stupid. No one should be catered to at the expense of the other demographics.

Quite the opposite. Games should not serve agenda but customers.

 

[Abaddon_86]

 

Quite the opposite. Games should not serve agenda but customers.

 

Equally true for politics and citizens btw. Made just the perfect fit.

[Xilizhra]

Numbers, money, these are the factors that should dictate placement of favour.

It's EA. Do you honestly think they'd allow Bioware to do this if they didn't see more profit in it?

[LordParbr]

Quite the opposite. Games should not serve agenda but customers.

I never suggested otherwise. My point was that there are other demographics playing and they shouldn't be alienated just the please the majority demographic in regard to an issue that won't matter toward sales, otherwise. Equally bad business.

[Nathair Nimheil]

You don't think businesses should cater to their target demographics at the expense of other ones?

Ahh, the magic word: TARGET. Lily-white cismales may make up the majority of current players but that doesn't make them the target market. Maybe BW would like to lure in some more of that "everybody else" market.

But then I completely disagree that a business should just slavishly cater to the whims of the market based upon nothing but blind greed and units moved. The bottom line does not have to be the one and only measure of success. In fact, I would say that if it is you are doing something very wrong.

[Eloka]

What happened to all the bravado I heard about "devs should be allowed full artistic expression for their own games?" I thought for a while there that was these guys war cry? I think we have pretty much established at this point Lord there is no "50's style gay, minority or woman agenda" lurking to take all the default places away, just other people who also want to enjoy a game with cool characters that represent them and exist in a fantasy setting where it seems dragons are more believable than normal people who aren't straight, white and male. So can we not bring up that news-speak anymore? That'd be great.

[Joseph Warrick]

Everyone complaining about the characters looks should post pics of themselves. I think that would be a fun experiment. 

 

I'd rather their attractive girlfriends sign up and post pics instead?

[WarBaby2]

Catering to a demographic that, basically, wants everything about your products changed vs. catering to the customers that made you what you are as a business by actually likeing/buying the stuff you made up until now... hm, though one.

[Taleroth]

In fact, I would say that if it is you are doing something very wrong.

I wouldn't say wrong, but I would say unappealing. Otherwise spot on.

You know what games have great bottom lines? Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed. We could get a DA2 style Dragon Age every year and it would probably be quite successful if Bioware and EA had more experience throwing 4 studios together to make a yearly franchise.

I wouldn't buy them, but what's the loss of a few people like me?

[Abaddon_86]

I'd rather their attractive girlfriends sign up and post pics instead?

 

If she knew that I waste my time here with you guys instead of doing my studies that are due at the end of this week, there is a good chance she'd leave my sorry ass.

[Lord Surinen]

It's EA. Do you honestly think they'd allow Bioware to do this if they didn't see more profit in it?

Yes. Certain machinations could make it more than possible.

 

I never suggested otherwise. My point was that there are other demographics playing and they shouldn't be alienated just the please the majority demographic in regard to an issue that won't matter toward sales, otherwise. Equally bad business.

Other demographics should be treated proportionally to their monetary contribution. As it is straight males should have received much more than anybody else (that is if my number assumptions are right)

[Britcorp]

Ahh, the magic word: TARGET. Lily-white cismales may make up the majority of current players but that doesn't make them the target market. Maybe BW would like to lure in some more of that "everybody else" market.

But then I completely disagree that a business should just slavishly cater to the whims of the market based upon nothing but blind greed and units moved. The bottom line does not have to be the one and only measure of success. In fact, I would say that if it is you are doing something very wrong.

So the market that built this company is no longer the target market of the company?

 

Slavishly catering to whims of the market is exactly what business should do. In business the measure of success and failure is the bottom line.

[Britcorp]

So the market that built this company is no longer the target market of the company?

 

Slavishly catering to whims of the market is exactly what businesses should do. In business the measure of success and failure is the bottom line.

[Xilizhra]

Yes. Certain machinations could make it more than possible.

Machinations like...?

 

 

Other demographics should be treated proportionally to their monetary contribution. As it is straight males should have received much more than anybody else (that is if my number assumptions are right)

Then why are you playing DA at all? Given that straight men have never had more than everyone else in this series. In fact, you've had the same number of romance options in every game.

[Kappa Neko]

If you believe attractive men (not only by face and body, but also general intellectual appeal) (should) care little to nothing about a woman's looks, no matter how "beautiful" she may be on the inside, you are hopelessly idealistic and well, good luck in real life. Really, you will need it.

Did I say that? Of course looks matter a great deal to both men and women. But if you value looks over personality on principle and feel like you deserve the hottest chicks because you're such a stud, YOU are the one with the problem.

[Abaddon_86]

Did I say that? Of course looks matter a great deal to both men and women. But if you value looks over personality on principle and feel like you deserve the hottest chicks because you're such a stud, YOU are the one with the problem.

 

I believe both need to fit. And thank you for your concern, but didn't have too many problems so far.

[WarBaby2]

Then why are you playing DA at all? Given that straight men have never had more than everyone else in this series. In fact, you've had the same number of romance options in every game.

Indeed... I think the problem is that, this time around, the presented options are just not as "attractive" (in more then one way) to some people, and I can relate to that. I mean, I think Cassandra is a good (if very stereotypical) character, but she is by NO means, a Morrigan or Leliana.

[Lord Surinen]

Machinations like...?

 

 

Then why are you playing DA at all? Given that straight men have never had more than everyone else in this series. In fact, you've had the same number of romance options in every game.

Allow me to stand by the 'certain'.

 

For the story, limited rpg numbers on the market, elves and general use of magick. This is true, but considering popularity gain I have expected more from DA series, especially after DAII.

[Taleroth]

Indeed... I think the problem is that, this time around, the presented options are just not as "attractive" (in more then one way) to some people, and I can relate to that. I mean, I think Cassandra is a good (if very stereotypical) character, but she is by NO means, a Morrigan or Leliana.

This is the first Dragon Age game where all of the female romance options wear an entire outfit. I can't help but think that has something to do with it.

[Xilizhra]

Allow me to stand by the 'certain'.

 

For the story, limited rpg numbers on the market, elves and general use of magick. This is true, but considering popularity gain I have expected more from DA series, especially after DAII.

Out of curiosity, do you have some kind of mystic reason for not liking bisexual women?

[Lord Surinen]

Out of curiosity, do you have some kind of mystic reason for not liking bisexual women?

No, nothing mystic about it. These are my just preferences, I like to seek in women reflection of my own singular focus.

[Vasudeva]

They  REALLY need so BADLY to release the engine so modders can mod and make everyone happy.  It would so increase age of game keeping it relevant and people buying it for years whilst at same time giving everyone their romance of their choice.  Anyone remember the mod in DAO that made Alistair roman cable by guys and well, everyone roman-cable by everyone plus modding their looks.  Huge mistake not to, would make these kind of issues go away

[WarBaby2]

This is the first Dragon Age game where all of the female romance options wear an entire outfit. I can't help but think that has something to do with it.

Possbile...

 

No, seriously, let's compare

Morrigan - Mysterious, defensive, sarcastic, charming, funny with an interesting story ark an tons of character growth that even extended into a DLC.

Cassandra - Honorable, devout, fighter and repressed romatic with little to no character growth and an anticlimactic story outcome.

 

Well...

[Ekliane]

As I just posted in another thread, I'm not that unhappy about the mods situation.

 

I still shiver at some of my trips in the shadowy corners of Nexus.

 

 

 

Possbile...

 

No, seriously, let's compare

Morrigan - Mysterious, defensive, sarcastic, charming, funny with an interesting story ark an tons of character growth that even extended into a DLC.

Cassandra - Honorable, devout, fighter and repressed romatic with little to no character growth and an anticlimactic story outcome.

 

Well...

 

It works both ways because it's your opinion.

 

Morrigan - Bitchy, sarcastic, mean, shallow, vain, insufferable, only change to please you and it's stupid that she "grow" for the sake of the PC. Also, half-naked in the frostiest area of Ferelden. Got a DLC to please fans than made little to no sense for the people who didn't romance her. (I wonder what reactions we will get if Solas get one...)*

Cassandra - A Pillar of strength, a fighter, a believer, an undomitable woman, true to her own beliefs and not willing to compromise for other's sake.

 

*Not my opinion of Morri, tho. I love her character.