Nobody compares to Morrigan except Viconia. That's not a fault of DA:I.Possbile...
No, seriously, let's compare
Morrigan - Mysterious, defensive, sarcastic, charming, funny with an interesting story ark an tons of character growth that even extended into a DLC.
Cassandra - Honorable, devout, fighter and repressed romatic with little to no character growth and an anticlimactic story outcome.
Well...
Possbile...
No, seriously, let's compare
Morrigan - Mysterious, defensive, sarcastic, charming, funny with an interesting story ark an tons of character growth that even extended into a DLC.
Cassandra - Honorable, devout, fighter and repressed romatic with little to no character growth and an anticlimactic story outcome.
Well...
Why are you arguing?
As I just posted in another thread, I'm not that unhappy about the mods situation.
I still shiver at some of my trips in the shadowy corners of Nexus.
yea I know, but gotta admit, ANYTHING you could have ever thought of is there, plus lots that never even crossed your mind!
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I love Cassandra personally, but I do think their whole direction with romances has more downsides than upsides. I don't think it was necessary. Was the feedback from DA2's romances really all that bad?
Nobody compares to Morrigan except Viconia. That's not a fault of DA:I.
Isabella and Merril certainly weren't that good. Or Tali, Ashley, etc.
Whaat Isabela was a ****** goddess 
As I just posted in another thread, I'm not that unhappy about the mods situation.
I still shiver at some of my trips in the shadowy corners of Nexus.
Not to freak you out but modding might be possible after all, at least to a degree. There's already people trying to mess with meshes and textures. I want to get rid of the grey pajamas.
Nobody compares to Morrigan except Viconia. That's not a fault of DA:I.
Isabella and Merril certainly weren't that good. Or Tali, Ashley, etc.
True, no question... just wanted to point out that the disappointment about the romances some people feel may simple stem from the fact that they just aren't that great in general... straight, bi or homosexual... and, yes, it is the fault of DAI, or more precisely BW.
What happened to all the bravado I heard about "devs should be allowed full artistic expression for their own games?" I thought for a while there that was these guys war cry? I think we have pretty much established at this point Lord there is no "50's style gay, minority or woman agenda" lurking to take all the default places away, just other people who also want to enjoy a game with cool characters that represent them and exist in a fantasy setting where it seems dragons are more believable than normal people who aren't straight, white and male. So can we not bring up that news-speak anymore? That'd be great.
I think that this is the hypocritical part for me:
"Bioware shouldn't be pressured into creating more options for women and LGBT players because they should have the freedom to create whatever games they want to create with full artistic license. Unless this means that they will choose to create more content for women and LGBT players because then they should be forced to create options that are proportionally representative to 'gamer demographics'."
Yeah, super air-tight logic there..... 
As I just posted in another thread, I'm not that unhappy about the mods situation.
I still shiver at some of my trips in the shadowy corners of Nexus.
So I take it I can't count on your support for my planned "Schlongs of Thedas" mod? 
Other demographics should be treated proportionally to their monetary contribution.
Why?
Art that exists solely to please people is dull. And arguably not even art. It loses integrity by just doing what the technical majority want them to.
Why?
Art that exists solely to please people is dull. And arguably not even art. It loses integrity by just doing what the technical majority want them to.
It also stagnates by not trying to draw in any more of the audience, possibly even alienating some of the smaller corners of the audience. It's cultural inbreeding.
I think that this is the hypocritical part for me:
"Bioware shouldn't be pressured into creating more options for women and LGBT players because they should have the freedom to create whatever games they want to create with full artistic license. Unless this means that they will choose to create more content for women and LGBT players because then they should be forced to create options that are proportionally representative to 'gamer demographics'."
Yeah, super air-tight logic there.....
I know right, it hurts. It's like they reinvent their arguments to fit their positions constantly. It was all about "BUT ART" but "historical accuracy" but "we are larger in number" "but agenda!!!11!" The hypocrisy that just drips from these guys, and they just keep changing their position to suit their personal preference, if this was anyone else doing this it would be labeled an agenda. Funny how their desires and preferences aren't an agenda but every other person in the world seems to be. It's mind blowing that they cant see the cognitive dissonance there.
I wish I had some likes left for some of your comments, tomorrow I will give you some.
So I take it I can't count on your support for my planned "Schlongs of Thedas" mod?
Am I going to see the throbbing erection of a dead crucified King again ? 'Cos if so count me in.
No but, mods were awesome, my override data for Origins is so huge I wouldn't dare touching it anymore as it would likely blow up my computer, but some mods had this gift of making you pissed off. Same can be said for Skyrim, but I guess the need of a decent hairstyle will count more than whitewhasing Vivienne and making Cass """""pretty"""""
Whaat Isabela was a ****** goddess
Not to freak you out but modding might be possible after all, at least to a degree. There's already people trying to mess with meshes and textures. I want to get rid of the grey pajamas.
What do you have against judging people in medieval smallclothes ? It's soo orlesian 41' 
ugh, this thread is still open? 
And who made you the judge of it?? Are you even a guy? As it seems, this thread gives indicates something completely different, as those mostly defending BW seem to be women judging by their avatar pics, while straight men tell them otherwise.
Who made rigron the judge of it, did you even quote and ask him the same thing?
Yes I am a guy, also straight and half-white if that matters.
I know right, it hurts. It's like they reinvent their arguments to fit their positions constantly. It was all about "BUT ART" but "historical accuracy" but "we are larger in number" "but agenda!!!11!" The hypocrisy that just drips from these guys, and they just keep changing their position to suit their personal preference, if this was anyone else doing this it would be labeled an agenda. Funny how their desires and preferences aren't an agenda but every other person in the world seems to be. It's mind blowing that they cant see the cognitive dissonance there.
I wish I had some likes left for some of your comments, tomorrow I will give you some.
I tend to agree, but to be fair, we are treating them like one big 'straight guy' monolith. I'm sure that it is mostly just different straight guys, all self-promoted to "Speaker of the Straight Guy" title, taking different stances.
That being said, I have a pretty good memory and I know for sure that some of the people now complaining about romance content and the lack of options were the same people telling everyone else to 'suck it up' because the games 'aren't dating sims'. Those guys? Hypocrites.
Why?
Art that exists solely to please people is dull. And arguably not even art. It loses integrity by just doing what the technical majority want them to.
Because this is how healthy exchange works. The more you contribute the more you get.
If you want to present it in those terms then Yes. The market that built this company is no longer the target market of the company. It quite probably never was.So the market that built this company is no longer the target market of the company?
Nonsense. If I form a business what defines my success or failure is whatever I want measure it by. Rampant Capitalism is not a law of nature. If I want to start a business that, say, markets toys designed to get girls interested and involved in STEM areas then profit is not my one and only goal. This is why GoldieBlox doesn't sell Barbies or toy guns or pharmaceuticals or motor oil or methamphetamine. It's not all just about money.Slavishly catering to whims of the market is exactly what business should do. In business the measure of success and failure is the bottom line.
It's like they reinvent their arguments to fit their positions constantly.
"Like"? 
Because this is how healthy exchange works. The more you contribute the more you get.
Your $60 is the same as everyone else's buddy. You don't get to claim that you contribute more.
Your $60 is the same as everyone else's buddy. You don't get to claim that you contribute more.
Please, refrain from posting out of context. I'm-I was speaking about possibility that majority of DA consumers are straight males who are interested only in the straight romances.
Please, refrain from posting out of context. I'm-I was speaking about possibility that majority of DA consumers are straight males who are interested only in the straight romances.
Yeah, you have no idea of knowing if that's the case. Until you can deliver statistics proving this, I would just avoid that particular argument if I were you.
Please, refrain from posting out of context. I'm-I was speaking about possibility that majority of DA consumers are straight males who are interested only in the straight romances.
I know what you're speaking of, but there's no collectivization of our contributions going on here. You are not contributing any more than anyone else. You don't get more.
Bioware is the one acting collectively. And they get to decide who they want to appeal to. Not you.
I'm-I was speaking about possibility that majority of DA consumers are straight males who are interested only in the straight romances.
If this is the base of the argument that you and a couple of others "straight men" consumers are giving, maybe you should clear that out first. Then, among that so called homogenous fanbase, asking whether or not you all universally agree. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just tired of this argument, that they are more guys playing the game that gals and therefore it should be "fixed" ; my feeling is that they are a lot of invested women providing feedback, art and writing. Are we the sole gamers of BioWare games ? Of course not. is it simply my own biased perception ? Of course it is. If you're hanging on 4chan, Tumblr or here, your perception is going to differ. It doesn't mean I'm right or wrong, it just means one shouldn't call on BioWare insufferable pandering without re-evaluating one's "facts". That, and I don't believe what hangs between your legs or not means you're doomed to think a certain way.
Other demographics should be treated proportionally to their monetary contribution. As it is straight males should have received much more than anybody else (that is if my number assumptions are right)
They are. Everyone pays the same amount for their copy of the game. Unless you're talking about entitlement. You wouldn't do that, would you?
If you want to present it in those terms then Yes. The market that built this company is no longer the target market of the company. It quite probably never was.
Why does a company have to say "Hey, you know what? Let's market our product exclusively to this slice of the population and exclude everybody else! Even if the chance arises to broaden our appeal let's, instead, make sure that we offend everyone but that one narrow demographic!"
Nonsense. If I form a business what defines my success or failure is whatever I want measure it by. Rampant Capitalism is not a law of nature. If I want to start a business that, say, markets toys designed to get girls interested and involved in STEM areas then profit is not my one and only goal. This is why GoldieBlox doesn't sell Barbies or toy guns or pharmaceuticals or motor oil or methamphetamine. It's not all just about money.
Well if you can make money doing that, wonderful. However if you go bankrupt, you failed as a business.
Your success in business is determined by whether or not you are financially viable. You might not like but that's the way it is.
Please, refrain from posting out of context. I'm-I was speaking about possibility that majority of DA consumers are straight males who are interested only in the straight romances.
Oh, look, you are! That doesn't matter. You aren't more entitled to Bioware catering to your sensibilities just because you happen to be part of a larger portion of the audience.
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