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[aaarcher86]

You guys are ridiculous I said a percentage from gallup poll and you guys are trying to persecute me over it. Secondly I dont like the other races in the game because they are same except for appearance and culture, thats lazy writing. They should have just all been human since there is no real difference between them. But I guess youll want my head for not liking dwarfs either. I posted about lgbt characters because that is what this thread is geared toward. I would rather have humanity be represented realistically too bad for you, I never said there shouldnt be any gay characters. And I know youll just say fantasy blah blah blah magic.

It isn't that hard to find a poll to suit any ridiculous idea. Complaining about LGBT options because of your own issues is a real dick move. Bioware isn't worried about "world percentages." They focus on gamer statistics.

[fabio012]

Represents as a community? Yes. Actual percentage of LGBT individuals? LOL GET OUTTA HEREEEEE

 

BTW there's only 3 LGBT party characters (two gay, one bi). Such a scandal.

Its the best percentage that has been put out to find out how many people fit into the category of LGBT. Its not like they only got people who have registered in that community or something

[SwobyJ]

Multiple threads because Bioware keeps locking them cause the pro-gay crowd likes to argue and post dumb ****, same as the anti-gay crowd likes to argue and post dumb ****.

 

If Bioware mods would do their jobs and remove the hateful antagonistic posts like real forum mods and leave the general discussion posts they wouldn't see the need to create a new thread every 10 pages.

 

Since release these "straight" threads attract the flames from the pro-gay crowd. People will post a dislike for straight romances and gay romances and they'll come in with the #dealwithit #acceptit, #gayisbetter crap and honestly it's making them seem like the ones who complain the most.

 

 

..#gayisbetter?

 

Okayyyyyyyyy then.

[fabio012]

It isn't that hard to find a poll to suit any ridiculous idea. Complaining about LGBT options because of your own issues is a real dick move.

Im not complaining about my lack of options youre just saying that to make me look bad. I would rather have 0 romance options because I see them as a waste of time. Also are you insisting that Gallup polls are ridiculous?

[naddaya]

Bioware should release a patch that completely removes romances and all mention of them from the game. No li for the inquisitor. Romance in videogames(and lets not forget, this IS a videogame) is useless and silly. 

 

Not quite. If you like to roleplay and craft different characters, romance can give them some depth and make the story more interesting. The player butthurt that surrounds the romances in every DA game is silly.

[SwobyJ]

Its the best percentage that has been put out to find out how many people fit into the category of LGBT. Its not like they only got people who have registered in that community or something

 

Yeah but that's why I said what I said. 3% may be out, open, publicly stating in a health survey that they are LGBT, but its an absolute intellectual dishonesty to think that that this is a true number of LGBT that is in the world and may be playing video games.

 

Hell, my boyfriend might not even count in this as he might be skittish about saying in a poll that he's LGBT and he's not out to his parents yet (I'm 99% sure they know though). We've been together over 3 years.

 

A lot of those responding are in Gen X or Boomers that will never admit their sexuality until their dying breath.

 

Many other nations' findings for polls has at least 5-10% LGBT depending on the region and culture.

 

I don't think having 5/12 characters (if we count advisers, but 3/10 if not) be LGBT is a huge deal. I just don't. Maybe 3ish (1-2 if not advisers) would have been more statistically perfect (if we're going for the 'real world', as subjective as that is), but definitely not 1-2 (0-1 if not advisers).

[fabio012]

Not quite. If you like to roleplay and craft different characters, romance can give them some depth and make the story more interesting. The player butthurt that surrounds the romances in every DA game is silly.

The romances in DA are real bad though. Corny cheesy and awkward all in one package.

[aaarcher86]

Im not complaining about my lack of options youre just saying that to make me look bad. I would rather have 0 romance options because I see them as a waste of time. Also are you insisting that Gallup polls are ridiculous?

I said you can find a poll to suit any idea. There's a Joystick poll showing 28% of gamers are gay. Personally, I think most polls on sexuality are inaccurate.

So your not upset about your options, you just don't want so much gay? K. You're original post did a fine job of making you look bad. You certainly don't need my help.

[daveliam]

Its the best percentage that has been put out to find out how many people fit into the category of LGBT. Its not like they only got people who have registered in that community or something

 

You don't see an issue with relying on self-reporting data when it comes to a non-visible trait that people are still persecuted for?

 

The statistic that you are talking about represented those that are willing to self-identify as LGBT to a stranger.  That's the baseline data.  There are going to be just as many (and likely many more, to be honest) people who aren't willing to out themselves to a stranger, so that number is just a small percentage of actual LGBT people.  I hope you realize that, right?

[D_Dude1210]

Here is the link to the gallup poll he's talking about. If you have issues with the results and methodology, post it, we'd love to hear from all you armchair statisticians out there but from a substantiated and quantitative standpoint, fabio012 at least is basing his comments on something....

http://www.gallup.co...ntify-lgbt.aspx

PS. Not saying he's right, but he didn't pull the numbers out of his butt either...

[fabio012]

Yeah but that's why I said what I said. 3% may be out, open, publicly stating in a health survey that they are LGBT, but its an absolute intellectual dishonesty to think that that this is a true number of LGBT that is in the world and may be playing video games.

 

Hell, my boyfriend might not even count in this as he might be skittish about saying in a poll that he's LGBT and he's not out to his parents yet (I'm 99% sure they know though). We've been together over 3 years.

 

A lot of those responding are in Gen X or Boomers that will never admit their sexuality until their dying breath.

 

Many other nations' findings for polls has at least 5-10% LGBT depending on the region and culture.

 

I don't think having 5/12 characters (if we count advisers, but 3/10 if not) be LGBT is a huge deal. I just don't. Maybe 3ish (1-2 if not advisers) would have been more statistically perfect (if we're going for the 'real world', as subjective as that is), but definitely not 1-2 (0-1 if not advisers).

You know I said roughly 3 not exactly right? There was an old finding in America that said 10% but was then debunked by almost everyone when Gallup did theirs.

[fabio012]

I said you can find a poll to suit any idea. There's a Joystick poll showing 28% of gamers are gay. Personally, I think most polls on sexuality are inaccurate.

So your not upset about your options, you just don't want so much gay? K. You're original post did a fine job of making you look bad. You certainly don't need my help.

Almost half of Biowares characters fall into the LGBT community half of the population is not in that category simple as that.

[fabio012]

Here is the link to the gallup poll he's talking about. If you have issues with the results and methodology, post it, we'd love to hear from all you armchair statisticians out there but from a substantiated and quantitative standpoint, fabio012 at least is basing his comments on something....

http://www.gallup.co...ntify-lgbt.aspx

PS. Not saying he's right, but he didn't pull the numbers out of bus butt either...

thanks for helping out

[naddaya]

The romances in DA are real bad though. Corny cheesy and awkward all in one package.

 

Zevran and Morrigan's weren't. Neither were Isabela and Fenris. Dorian isn't either. Cullen and Cassandra are just a tad awkward, but I can't blame them for being intimidated by the inquisitor's smexy. Which romance was cheesy, exactly?

[SwobyJ]

The romances in DA are real bad though. Corny cheesy and awkward all in one package.

 

DA is full of corny cheezy and awkward scenes. Bioware games are. Its their thing, since at LEAST DAO/ME1. In some ways even before that. Tres seriousness isn't necessary.

 

You'd think otherwise, but yeah a few days ago in a thread that got deleted some guys was posting all of those, and I've noticed alot of GIFs being posted of #dealwithit, which I'm assuming is a twitter thing idk

 

Sure.

 

You don't see an issue with relying on self-reporting data when it comes to a non-visible trait that people are still persecuted for?

 

The statistic that you are talking about represented those that are willing to self-identify as LGBT to a stranger.  That's the baseline data.  There are going to be just as many people who aren't willing to out themselves to a stranger, so that number is just a small percentage of actual LGBT people.  I hope you realize that, right?

 

IKR. There's SO many homosexuals who will never ever ever say they are gay (until they do, of course).

 

I wouldn't say its a small percentage. Its the highest visible percentage. I'd say (just imo) that only about 3-5% of people are open gay people, and only 1-2% are actively campaigning about it (the most visible people). But there's several more % who are just not admitting it (this isn't a factor to brush off), and more % that may have had experiences or attractions but reject any idea of bisexuality or anything else.

 

Push the boundaries of the definition of LGBT and you'd find closer to 10-15%, again IMO. But that's certainly not the percentage of those who are out and open about it.

[naddaya]

So role-play a romance in your head. Let bioware focus on more important stuff, like the combat. 

 

This is just, like, your opinion bro. Why don't you just imagine fighting in your head?

[AlanC9]

Multiple threads because Bioware keeps locking them cause the pro-gay crowd likes to argue and post dumb ****, same as the anti-gay crowd likes to argue and post dumb ****.

 

 

I don't check you on that. From what I've see there's a third step, which is that the anti-gay crowd starts to get really hysterical when they find their concerns are not validated by the community. I suppose we could subject this to actual analysis, since locked threads are seldom deleted.

[daveliam]

Here is the link to the gallup poll he's talking about. If you have issues with the results and methodology, post it, we'd love to hear from all you armchair statisticians out there but from a substantiated and quantitative standpoint, fabio012 at least is basing his comments on something....

http://www.gallup.co...ntify-lgbt.aspx

 

Exactly, it specifically notes the limitations in the write-up and clarifies that it only represents "adult Americans who publicly identify themselves as part of the LGBT community when asked in a survey context".  So anyone who doesn't feel like they want to answer this question in a poll isn't represented.  Nor are the people who are still not 'out of the closet'.  Nor are the people who engage in s/s relationships but don't identify as gay.  This 3.4% represents the lowest starting statistic and the reality is that the actual number is going to be much higher than this.  Even the authors themselves don't claim that only 3.4% of Americans are LGBT, but 'armchair statisticians' certainly do. 

 

Almost half of Biowares characters fall into the LGBT community half of the population is not in that category simple as that.

 

You are using US statistics to represent Thedosian individuals.  Not valid.  Show me a gallup poll for Thedosian individuals and we can talk.

[fabio012]

You don't see an issue with relying on self-reporting data when it comes to a non-visible trait that people are still persecuted for?

 

The statistic that you are talking about represented those that are willing to self-identify as LGBT to a stranger.  That's the baseline data.  There are going to be just as many (and likely many more, to be honest) people who aren't willing to out themselves to a stranger, so that number is just a small percentage of actual LGBT people.  I hope you realize that, right?

Its the best research out there to find out the number in the world, I like statistics sue me. If you think that Gallup would put out a  number that could not represent a close amount on such a sensitive subject would be ridiculous.

[fabio012]

Zevran and Morrigan's weren't. Neither were Isabela and Fenris. Dorian isn't either. Cullen and Cassandra are just a tad awkward, but I can't blame them for being intimidated by the inquisitor's smexy. Which romance was cheesy, exactly?

It just irks me that most of the romancees wait until they decide they love you to have sex when you know they are risking their life on a continual basis. Also the underwear they used to have in those scenes.