75 réponses à ce sujet

[ZipZap2000]

Can we please go back roleplaying romance again? Instead of looking at it from the perspective of a persons sexuality. I enjoyed romancing Morrigan in DA:O, not because I like women but because I was a noble warden being tempted by an apostate witch of the wilds with a dark side. I enjoyed equally role playing as a slightly more ruthless warden chasing after a chantry girl in Leiliana and in a play through as a victim of circumstance I was a lonely elf who sought comfort in the mothering nature of Wynne, without ever actually engaging in romance (things left unsaid have a power of their own).

 

It just seems to me that everyone has become obsessed with everyone else's sexuality and bioware got drawn into it and now we have limited options in terms of roleplaying the inquisitors romance. I think the romances are superior in DA:I if only for the scenes and dialogue but that roleplaying element is gone and it feels as though it's been replaced with someone else's ideal romance. Or worse yet what Bioware thinks is our individual ideal romance.

[mikeymoonshine]

Can you be more specific? What is the specific problem you have with Inquisition romances and why do you think this is because of a focus on sexuality? 

[ZipZap2000]

I meant more from the fanbase actually and  bioware's reaction to that seems to have been to give everyone a less than interesting option hemmed in by sexuality. I know everyone deserves a fair go but was there really a need to make the more interesting characters a specific sexuality, a particular race romance or non romance? Take Cassandra, I like her, good romance but now that i'm done I have only one other option should I choose to play again as a similar character but with a different overall attitude/set of morals. Where as if I had an option with Leiliana/Vivienne/Sera I would be able to roleplay as 5 different but similar characters without giving up the core elements that enjoy most.

 

I'm certain there are straight characters that gay players would have liked to romance as well. Cullen comes to mind.

 

I just feel like everyone is focusing on "Straight males want this" and "LGBT want this" and the end result is a less than diverse range of romantic roleplaying possibilities. Compare to Mass Effect for example, I can romance a fairly diverse range of characters with varying attitudes and outlooks depending on what vision I have for my Shepard att with relative freedom. It can be improved on absolutely for female/gay players but I use it only as an example.

[Realyn]

I meant more from the fanbase actually and  bioware's reaction to that seems to have been to give everyone a less than interesting option hemmed in by sexuality. I know everyone deserves a fair go but was there really a need to make the more interesting characters a specific sexuality, a particular race or non romance? Take Cassandra, I like her, good romance but now that i'm done I have only one other option should I choose to play again as a similar character but with a different overall attitude/set of morals. Where as if I had an option with Leiliana/Vivienne/Sera I would be able to roleplay as 5 different but similar characters without giving up the core elements that enjoy most.

 

I'm certain there are straight characters that gay players would have liked to romance as well. Cullen comes to mind.

 

I just feel like everyone is focusing on "Straight males want this" and "LGBT want this" and the end result is a less than diverse range of romantic roleplaying possibilities. Compare to Mass Effect for example, I can romance a fairly diverse range of characters with varying attitudes and outlooks depending on what vision I have for my Shepard att with relative freedom. It can be improved on absolutely for female/gay players but I use it only as an example.

 

Look at DA:2. Almost every romance interet was bi and it caused many players to whine, moan and ****** about how it's unrealistic (putting aside it's a game that simply tries to appeal to the widest possible audience). 

 

BioWare is simply between a boulder and a very hard place. They can do no right. No matter what they do, they will be critisized to no end.

 

I preferred the DA:2 style as well. I simply roleplayed my romantic interest as whatever sexual orientation they needed to be for my character. Be it gay or straight. Whatever they could be in other playthroughs was of no consequence to me.

[Zoralink]

You're arguing from a person who disconnects from their character.

 

Not everyone plays that way. Many people connect to their character. 

 

I tend to be middle ground. I can't go completely against my nature (I'm a goody two shoes and agonize over every morally grey choice), but I will do variations where I can on subsequent playthroughs.

 

You're also doing nothing but throwing fuel on the fire here. People will ****** about anything and everything.

[ZipZap2000]

@Realyn It's sad when a role playing game has to sacrifice one of its role playing elements for the sake of 'realism' especially in a world full of undead, dragons, darkspawn and fallen elf gods.

[Jazinto]

Why don't you roleplay a male character and romance Iron Bull or Dorian? Or roleplay a female character and romance Sera or Solas or Cullen?

[ZipZap2000]

I actually addressed that in the OP Luca when I said I could do it previously without sacrificing the core elements I find enjoyable about the game.

 

@Zoralink I don't disconnect from them at all I feel as though i am playing it through the eyes of a different person while maintaining the basic connections to who I am to make them relatable to me as a character.

[Kaylena]

I think to some degree though it does add to the characters, they're not all pining after the character you've created and have their own standards which your character may not meet. I think they could've done similar to Tali/Garrus in ME3 if you left them alone with some of the characters as the game progressed, would've certainly been something I'd of chosen over being able to bang anyone no-matter race/gender. (I don't actually know if they do this or not, given I haven't progressed much due to constantly being side-tracked! If so, woo, woo!)

[ZipZap2000]

I understand that Mertle but that creates restrictions on role playing in a role playing game. It's not mean to be a representation of actual romance just resemble it slightly and for the central character in the story to not be a dashing hero sweeping damsels off their feet? That's a bit, weird.

[AceHalberd]

Hm. I do think I kind of agree with you on this, OP. It'd be interesting to have characters more like Morrigan or Alistair or Fenris or that who's potential sexuality isn't their 'thing', just a small side note. I honestly think gay guys need more Cullen sorts of romances too.

[Amirit]

I meant more from the fanbase actually and  bioware's reaction to that seems to have been to give everyone a less than interesting option hemmed in by sexuality. I know everyone deserves a fair go but was there really a need to make the more interesting characters a specific sexuality, a particular race romance or non romance? Take Cassandra, I like her, good romance but now that i'm done I have only one other option should I choose to play again as a similar character but with a different overall attitude/set of morals. Where as if I had an option with Leiliana/Vivienne/Sera I would be able to roleplay as 5 different but similar characters without giving up the core elements that enjoy most.

 

I'm certain there are straight characters that gay players would have liked to romance as well. Cullen comes to mind.

 

I just feel like everyone is focusing on "Straight males want this" and "LGBT want this" and the end result is a less than diverse range of romantic roleplaying possibilities. Compare to Mass Effect for example, I can romance a fairly diverse range of characters with varying attitudes and outlooks depending on what vision I have for my Shepard att with relative freedom. It can be improved on absolutely for female/gay players but I use it only as an example.

 

Still do not understand your problem. You said in your initial post that you RP-ed all different romaces and did not care about sexuality of your companions. Morrigan was as straight as one can be, yet it did not bother you. Now, Cassandra is straight too but somehow it's different and kills RP?

[iCooper]

To be honest, I'm not sure what you're complaining about. You have the exact same number of straight romances in DAI that you had in DAO and DA2. As for sexuality hamperng roleplay, I disagree. Dorian, whose sexuality is most prevalent to him and his storyline, has provided me with the opportunity to roleplay a somewhat sheltered Circle mage falling for a dashing Tevinter Altus, and all the political ramifications that entails.

If I were to play a Qunari and romance him, I would have the whole Tevinter-Qun animosity to play with.

If I were to play an elf? Elves are slaves in Tevinter, and also there's the business with Tevinter supposedly destroying the elven homeland and all that.

And a dwarf? Not a drop of magic in Cadash, something Dorian's family would disapprove of beyond the fact they're both men.

And of course, female Inquisitors get to play unrequited love or flirty BFFs with him.

That's just for Dorian. If you're going to sit there and claim having gay or lesbian characters is hurting your roleplaying options, maybe you should sit down and try engaging your imagination station.

[sylvanaerie]

To be honest, I'm not sure what you're complaining about. You have the exact same number of straight romances in DAI that you had in DAO and DA2. As for sexuality hamperng roleplay, I disagree. Dorian, whose sexuality is most prevalent to him and his storyline, has provided me with the opportunity to roleplay a somewhat sheltered Circle mage falling for a dashing Tevinter Altus, and all the political ramifications that entails.

If I were to play a Qunari and romance him, I would have the whole Tevinter-Qun animosity to play with.

If I were to play an elf? Elves are slaves in Tevinter, and also there's the business with Tevinter supposedly destroying the elven homeland and all that.

And a dwarf? Not a drop of magic in Cadash, something Dorian's family would disapprove of beyond the fact they're both men.

And of course, female Inquisitors get to play unrequited love or flirty BFFs with him.

That's just for Dorian. If you're going to sit there and claim having gay or lesbian characters is hurting your roleplaying options, maybe you should sit down and try engaging your imagination station.

 

Another Dorian fan!  I LOVE that character.  Inside of 5 minutes I loved him.  Before I was done with his introductory quest he was my favorite companion.

 

My Dalish flirted with him shamelessly, even knowing the bad blood between Tevinter and elves and he certainly bantered along with her.  Then the 'big reveal' from his personal quest happened and my Dalish just stood there flabbergasted....whhhat--preferring men, is that even a thing?--she was such a naive girl.  She took it all in stride though and accepted it for what it was, harmless courtly flirtation (kind of like what happens with Teagan in Origins).  She fell into Cullen's arms instead (yea I know, she just loved those shemlen men--I think it's the facial hair) and Dorian became one of her constant companions traveling everywhere with her.  Along with Dorian, she picked Blackwall and Varric, who also possess hairy features in some manner, one on his face, the other on his chest, to travel with as she restored order to Southern Thedas.

 

There were options to flirt with Vivienne (she calls you 'charming' in an amused tone) and Cassandra, who ignores you if you're female.  I am unsure who else you can just flirt with without them taking you up on it.

 

I was disappointed they weren't doing the "everyone for the PC" romances this time either, but considering the flak they took for the last game's LI's I can see why they did it this way.  And if Dorian hadn't been gender locked I'd never have seen any of the other romances because he'd have been the one I'd pick every single time.  I adore the character that much!

[ZipZap2000]

I actually think you do get it but you'd prefer not to but i will explain one last time. Less romance options = less potential RP romance options. 

 

You know? Repeating the same 2 romances over and over again? Dull.

[Judas Bock]

I actually think you do get it but you'd prefer not to but i will explain one last time. Less romance options = less potential RP romance options. 

 

You know? Repeating the same 2 romances over and over again? Dull.

 

But there aren't less romance options. For straight men, which I assume you are, there are two romance options, just like in DA:O and DA2. Both genders and all sexualities included, there are eight - more romance options than in any other DA game.

 

So I'm with the others who are confused - what is it exactly you are complaining about?

[nt95]

I wish the romances were more unique.  Morrigan was very rewarding because you had to work so hard to keep her.  Yeah, you could sleep with her your first night in camp but she eventually starts to push you away.  You have to be work to keep in her good graces.  

 

In DAI I have to initiate every flirt ... get every gift or mission ... wash, rise, repeat with every character.  You can keep flirting with all of your love interests all the time and they don't care.  I wish there was more variety.  I wish some NPC's would take the initiative and flirt with your character. They would bring YOU gifts.  Some would warm up to constant flirting while some would shy away from it.  Maybe a better way of saying it is I wish there was more variety in how you get into a romance with a certain character.  

 

Edit:  I also wish I didn't have to start flirting right away.  I'd rather wait till later in the game to choose who I want rather than having to start flirting right off the bat so I won't miss the opportunity later on.   Maybe I don't need to flirt right away in DAI but its seems like I do. 

[Xilizhra]

I wish the romances were more unique.  Morrigan was very rewarding because you had to work so hard to keep her.  Yeah, you could sleep with her your first night in camp but she eventually starts to push you away.  You have to be work to keep in her good graces.  

 

In DAI I have to initiate every flirt ... get every gift or mission ... wash, rise, repeat with every character.  You can keep flirting with all of your love interests all the time and they don't care.  I wish there was more variety.  I wish some NPC's would take the initiative and flirt with your character. They would bring YOU gifts.  Some would warm up to constant flirting while some would shy away from it.  Maybe a better way of saying it is I wish there was more variety in how you get into a romance with a certain character.  

Because NPCs taking the initiative led to endless, endless complaining.

[Quaddis]

Another Dorian fan!  I LOVE that character.  Inside of 5 minutes I loved him.  Before I was done with his introductory quest he was my favorite companion.

 

My Dalish flirted with him shamelessly, even knowing the bad blood between Tevinter and elves and he certainly bantered along with her.  Then the 'big reveal' from his personal quest happened and my Dalish just stood there flabbergasted....whhhat--preferring men, is that even a thing?--she was such a naive girl.  She took it all in stride though and accepted it for what it was, harmless courtly flirtation (kind of like what happens with Teagan in Origins).  She fell into Cullen's arms instead (yea I know, she just loved those shemlen men--I think it's the facial hair) and Dorian became one of her constant companions traveling everywhere with her.  Along with Dorian, she picked Blackwall and Varric, who also possess hairy features in some manner, one on his face, the other on his chest, to travel with as she restored order to Southern Thedas.

 

There were options to flirt with Vivienne (she calls you 'charming' in an amused tone) and Cassandra, who ignores you if you're female.  I am unsure who else you can just flirt with without them taking you up on it.

 

I was disappointed they weren't doing the "everyone for the PC" romances this time either, but considering the flak they took for the last game's LI's I can see why they did it this way.  And if Dorian hadn't been gender locked I'd never have seen any of the other romances because he'd have been the one I'd pick every single time.  I adore the character that much!

 

I am actually glad that they did restrict romances, even racial. 
 

I don't do gay romances, but Dorian is my Inquisitors best bud, but i also didn't ask what happened, it is implied that blood magic is involved in trying to change him but my thought was that is not of my business to involve in that dispute, just to facilitate meeting that would lead to hopefully happy resolution.

[iCooper]

I actually think you do get it but you'd prefer not to but i will explain one last time. Less romance options = less potential RP romance options. 
 
You know? Repeating the same 2 romances over and over again? Dull.

Go play Mass Effect 2 then. The Dragon Age games have only ever given you two straight female options. Just because the straight ladies got four this time around (and even then, only the elven ladies get to choose from all four), doesn't mean the rest of us should.

Am I saying I wouldn't like to romance Blackwall or Cullen or Solas as a DudeQuisitor, or for Cassandra to be available for the ladies? No, I'd have loved for them to be options for me. But they're not. They're straight and I'll take defined characters over playersexuality any day if it means I finally get to see gay characters in the games I love.

Besides, the same 2 romances can provide plenty of different roleplay opportunities if you think about them deeply enough. My Dorian examples came up to what? Six or seven different possibilities? And that's just what I came up with off the top of my head. Doran alone could keep me occupied for several playthroughs before I even think about riding the Bull. Now, I don't know Cass and Josie well enough to say if their personalities or stories allow for as much variation as the guys do, so maybe you're right and your options are terrible this time around, but it's certainly not a universal issue with this game.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Well the easy cure would be to give the NPC sexuality over to player controlled via the options menue, or in the initial start game set up. Let us decide, then we can romance whoever we like with any PC we like.

[Quaddis]

Edit:  I also wish I didn't have to start flirting right away.  I'd rather wait till later in the game to choose who I want rather than having to start flirting right off the bat so I won't miss the opportunity later on.   Maybe I don't need to flirt right away in DAI but its seems like I do. 

 

I skipped first few options to flirt with Cassandra, on my first playtrough when and what Quizzy said, it just didn't seem appropriate, i do hope that it will work out for my guy when we get Skyhold.

[nt95]

In DAO they did a lot of things right.  Morrigan was the challenge.  Leliana was easy to get once you get close enough to her.  On my first play through as a female warden I started romancing Alistar but really slow played it.  He was just too young and too immature for my warden.  I went back to camp with the initition of breaking it off when he did something totally unexpected.  He picked up my female warden and professed his love.  I had never seen that cut scene before. He won over my warden.  Surprises like that where the NPC takes the initiative is awesome. 

[Nathair Nimheil]

The problem is right there in your original post:
 

everyone has become obsessed with everyone else's sexuality and bioware got drawn into it and now we have limited options in terms of roleplaying the inquisitors romance.

We have always had limited options. How could it be otherwise? Infinite options? In the halcyon days of DAO before "everyone became obsessed" there were Alistair, Leliana, Morrigan and Zev. If you were locked into one particular sex and inclination you had exactly two romance options. Now you have at least two and as many as four potential romances.

 

How do you arrive at the conclusion that more is less?

[daveliam]

I am roleplaying in this game.  I'm not a dwarf.  Or a qunari.  Or a rogue.  Or proficient in melee combat with a great axe.  Or live in Thedas.  Or have ever been to the Frostback Mountains.  Or can close rifts in the Fade with my magical glowing hand.

 

I do like to play as gay males and do not enjoy games as much when I can't.  Especially when there is content that exists around other sexualities, but mine isn't represented (Bound by Flame, for example).  It doesn't make my 'roleplaying' less valid. 

 

So, therefore, I'm going to want to see at least two romance options for gay male characters in the Bioware games, since that's the standard that they set for me.  I think this is perfectly reasonable.