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[LaughingBanana]

Sera.

 

I don't know how people find her "funny" or "adorable" or whatever.

 

She's easily the most annoying party member ever. Perhaps the most annoying in all DA games, with the possible exception of Anders.

[LaughingBanana]

Sera because everything to her is either stupid or weird and if its weird she doesn't like it. But she is pretty funny sometimes. And Viv and I don't think I have to explain that one. Solas and everyone else is cool.

Spoiler

Even Blackwall even tho he lied about being a Grey Warden

 

****** BLOODY HELL WHY WOULD YOU POST THIS WITHOUT SPOILER TAGGING IT.

 

Friggin bastard.

[Pottumuusi]

I don't understand it either, honestly. Never once is she hypocritical. She even admits that simply by being a Mage, she is a potential threat. If your Inquisitor is a Mage she flat out tells you that you're both threats.

 

 

She admits to being a threat, yes, but she is also the most privileged circle mage in Thedas. It's easy to support the circles and harsh restrictions on mages when you're out there playing The Game in the Empress's court and living the good life with Lord Whatshisface. All the while frightened children languish in the White Spire, or worse, Kirkwall.

[ArvinDulku]

She admits to being a threat, yes, but she is also the most privileged circle mage in Thedas. It's easy to support the circles and harsh restrictions on mages when you're out there playing The Game in the Empress's court and living the good life with Lord Whatshisface. All the while frightened children languish in the White Spire, or worse, Kirkwall.

 

...Which she also acknowledges by cleary informing you that every circle is different and that every mage will peceive their experience in circles differently. She fully knows she was lucky to grow up in a reasonabbly lax and liberal circle, and never does she pretend otherwise. 

 

She also acknowledges that Templars can be horrors, but at the same time she says the rebellion forgets that there are templars whom uphold the tenents of their duty with honor and bravery.

 

She simply belives that like it or not, mages need to leashed and or protected (I used both words so you can fit in the one that fits your bias), and as such the very idea of complete freedom to be moronic.

 

And can we stop using Kirkwall as soe sort of example? Cause both Templar AND Mages behave like complete and utter scum in that City, and both group come off as monsters (in fact I would argue since Cullen exist and Meredith being driven mad by magic posion thus at least affording her an excuse, the Templars actually come off better, not counting rapist Templar whom I tend to butcher anyway).

 

Again, please note she was perfecly right about the rebellion, more so the vote (that Fiona pushed through despite near 50% of the mages not being in favor, thus dragging them into war as well) being ratified in the capital of Orlais, home of the Sun Burst Throne and The White Spire, which was tantamount to a declaration of war. It was ill-concieved, badly planned, with no real support and if Ferelden has not offered any protection they would been butchered by fell templars long before making any deals with Tevinter.

 

I'm sorry, I know opinions will always vary, but i'll never get the Vivi hate, she one of the best written, refreshingly (sometimes brutally so) logical companions in the game.

 

*sigh* Again, sorry.

 

Anyway, back on topic.

 

Punch? Solas, defo Solas. Seriously Bro, for about 90+ hours we are on an trip of epic bro-hood and suddenly you hate me for being pragmatic and/or willing to Humanize Cole? Curses Solas, curses.

[KingAgamemnon]

Good show my fellow King. 

 

Your college student analogy actually brought it all into focus. Her unfocused idealism, her jokes which always seem like either in-jokes or parroted memes, her complete irreverence for anything even for people who by her witness should have earned it from her. Yeah, this is making sense. 

Right? Every time she opened her mouth it was like I was talking to all the derptarded morons I used to go to school with. 

[ArvinDulku]

How old is Sera suppose to be anyway?

 

She grouses both of my current pro-tags, more so my Andrastian Dalish Elf than my Pragmatic Human Noble (he cause, well she's good at shooting things and her spec is kinda awesome, so tolerated), but I kinda personally like her.

 

I mean it's mostly cause we be Anti-Dalish together, but most of her immaturity I can let slide.

[Amirit]

Nah they aren't the same at all. Wynne's quite preachy at times but she uses all that she had for the greater good. Vivienne's just aligning with power to gain more power. And Wynne's preaching (for me) is based on morals, Vivienne's just based on her self-idolation.

 

May be you are right or I just talked too much with her (and on a positive note). But every time she begins the lecture about necessity of the Circle, danger of magic, childish wish of spoiled mages to get right away what they want without thinking about consequences - I just hear Wynne's voice. 

[karushna5]

Man the main 2 on here were Sera and Vivienne and I adored both. I don't want to punch Solas but I want to give him a long lecture about the world. I was really frustrated theres nothing to say when Solas paints dwarves s empty. Also what he says in the fade about them. The idea that he feels city elves aren't real elves just make me feel someone needs to give him a talk about how the world works and he isn't always right.

 

Dwarves are not depressed boatmen, City elves are elves, and Qunari are not some murderous creatures who got their philosophy to hold their race's passions in check. And he is not so far seeing to announce all of these like fact, regardless of Who he is. He needs an honest stern talking to, in my opinion. To me, he is way to full of himself. 

[King Dragonlord]

May be you are right or I just talked too much with her (and on a positive note). But every time she begins the lecture about necessity of the Circle, danger of magic, childish wish of spoiled mages to get right away what they want without thinking about consequences - I just hear Wynne's voice. 

 

I think what redeems Wynne is she's self aware and even somewhat apologetic about her tendencies (maybe even a little too self aware when it comes to her age, I wasn't sure if she was mocking me with all those comments about how she's no spring chicken).

 

Reminds me of this comic.

 

http://www.escapistm...48-Dragon-Aged 

[Ascendra]

Dont forget that Wynne is much much older than Viv with much more emotional baggage. In her personal quest in DAO she even admitted that when she was young she was harsh, unforgiving and narrow-minded - far from perfect. Its after everything that she has gone through she gained wisdom and became a nice old lady. I think Viv is actually very similar to young Wynne, but she has some admirable ideas about the Circle. She also acknowledges her privileged position, and she is just trying to restore order. However i can see how people may dislike her.
I kind of thought that Solas was boring until i did his personal quest and became friends with him, i wanted to hug him so badly by the end of it. Now i take him on almost every quest.
Sera i cant warm up to, dont want to punch her, id rather avoid her entirely. The thing that annoys me about her is her complete disregard and hate for everything elven. But i guess its one of the reasons that makes her a consistent well-written character. I think she is a bit overdone as a character because unlike other companions she is filled with so many negative qualities that it is very difficult to close your eyes on all of them. She is still with Inquisition because it needs all the help it can get.

[Zerthimon]

Vivienne.  I couldn't stand her.  Having clawed her way to being the most powerful mage in the prison, she couldn't bear to see the prison doors opened.  She was probably the single most privleged circle mage and she never even attempted empathy for those of her fellows who, you know, were harrassed by templars and threatened with tranquility.  She had fancy outfits, she had a lover, and therefore, everything was fine and the people rebelling were stupid.

 

If she really understood that things were different in other circles, maybe she shouldn't have been casting so much shade at them.  Every time I had a conversation with her it got dragged back to...

 

Solas and Cole I enjoyed a lot. 

[Carmen_Willow]

FOR SOME REASON MY QUOTE BUTTON DOESN'T WORK.

 

 

I loved Wynne. She was my rabbi, the only person with whom I could share my fears and uncertainties. Like any teacher, sometimes she didn't know when to stop instructing, but I didn't care about that. She cared enough about me to take a risk and speak out on a touchy subject for my own good. It was nice to have a mum, even if she was wrong. I loved Wynne, and I was sad when she was gone.

 

Vivienne...I don't really know her yet, but I think she is one tough lady under all that elegance.

[Tookah45]

Vivienne.  I couldn't stand her.  Having clawed her way to being the most powerful mage in the prison, she couldn't bear to see the prison doors opened.  She was probably the single most privleged circle mage and she never even attempted empathy for those of her fellows who, you know, were harrassed by templars and threatened with tranquility.  She had fancy outfits, she had a lover, and therefore, everything was fine and the people rebelling were stupid.

 

If she really understood that things were different in other circles, maybe she shouldn't have been casting so much shade at them.  Every time I had a conversation with her it got dragged back to...

 

 

Oh, the burden of the well-born. It's so hard to be so much better than all those "poor people" you hear about all the time. What are they on about? It's so hard to see them from way up here anyway, why bother?

 

I agree completely. I don't like Viv in the slightest. I had her in my party because mage, and that's really all the discussion there needs to be on the topic. As soon as I got Dorian she was gone and I haven't seen her since.

 

Example, and the last time she was ever in my party:

She and Blackwall have that conversation about "does it really have to me more complicated than treat others the way you'd want to be treated" and she completely ignores his couldn't-be-more-correct-and-irrefutable point to say "well you have one thing right, you wouldn't stand a chance against me." She's just making a power grab for her own corrupt ends, and people like her are the reason all this started in the first place. I'd kill her off if I could.

 

 

Vivienne, y u so shade.

[MrTeges]

Sera. I REALLY regret letting her join the Inquisition.

In my next playthrough, she will not be joining me.

 

So far, I had way more satisfaction kicking her out of the Inquisition than any other companion interaction.

[Doominike]

Punch ? None of them. That haughty b;tch vivienne though, I can't think of something that would properly demonstrate how much I dislike her. Slowly grind her face against a stone wall until her entire skull is one long greasy smear along it would be a good start. She's so damn unlikeable. Seriously, like, my roomie started a game recently, literally at the 1st scene with her she turned to me and asked if there was a way to kill her, or worse if possible. 

[celestialfury]

 Even when I don't like characters I still recruit them and simply let them warm the bench, but Sera will be the exception and her ass will stay in Orlais next time. I also never understood the fascination with killing off characters but more than punching, she's murder knife worthy. 

[JezrelM]

Sera the first tiem i meet her, later she grew up on me, ho, and Blackwall and his grey warden fiasco.

[Goldarmy]

...Which she also acknowledges by cleary informing you that every circle is different and that every mage will peceive their experience in circles differently. She fully knows she was lucky to grow up in a reasonabbly lax and liberal circle, and never does she pretend otherwise. 

 

That she acknowledges her privileges doesn't change the fact that her huge privileges largely weakens her position. "I know I have been filthy rich for my entire life, but I sincerely believe that if poor cannot find bread they could eat cake" isn't an improvement.

 

She simply belives that like it or not, mages need to leashed and or protected (I used both words so you can fit in the one that fits your bias), and as such the very idea of complete freedom to be moronic.

 

Words are cheap, especially when it comes from an experienced politician like her. Does she simply believe that mages need to leashed and or protected, does she  believe that mages, with the sole exception of Vivienne, need to leashed and or protected; or does she say so because it is what will benefit Vivienne most. If Knight Commander Meredith took away all her privileges (And Meredith would have every right and obligation to it, because no Templar with a working brain cell could allow Vivienne's privileges), her court life and her beloved Bastien; would Vivienne accept it all because mages need to be leashed, or would Madame le Fer show her extreme displeasure?

 

And can we stop using Kirkwall as soe sort of example? Cause both Templar AND Mages behave like complete and utter scum in that City, and both group come off as monsters (in fact I would argue since Cullen exist and Meredith being driven mad by magic posion thus at least affording her an excuse, the Templars actually come off better, not counting rapist Templar whom I tend to butcher anyway).

 

No we don't stop using Kirkwall as an example. We are not going to ignore the orange sized tumor. Meredith had set herself on "Qunari solution" long before she obtained the red idol. And Alrik have also been paving the way to the same solution behind Meredith's back just as long. And while Meredith can be partially excused due to red lyrium, her subordinates don't have that excuse.

 

 

Again, please note she was perfecly right about the rebellion, more so the vote (that Fiona pushed through despite near 50% of the mages not being in favor, thus dragging them into war as well) being ratified in the capital of Orlais, home of the Sun Burst Throne and The White Spire, which was tantamount to a declaration of war. 

She wasn't perfectly right about rebellion, because Asunder and Inquisition showed us that there is not any counterchecks and balances for Templars, and sooner or later they would have realised that.

 

It was ill-concieved, badly planned, with no real support and if Ferelden has not offered any protection they would been butchered by fell templars long before making any deals with Tevinter.

 

You seem to forget the Conclave that Elder One had magically nuked.

 

I'm sorry, I know opinions will always vary, but i'll never get the Vivi hate, she one of the best written, refreshingly (sometimes brutally so) logical companions in the game.

 

Just because a character is well written doesn't mean that you can't hate them. In fact "love to hate" characters are often well written.

[Ceoldoren]

Sera when she stuck an arrow in my face. Other than that I haven't wanted to punch anyone. Viv is a ******. But she's at least clever. 

[kalasaurus]

I'd say Vivienne too, but honestly, Sera annoyed me even more when I played as a Lavellan.

 

Spoiler

Telling the Inquisitor she's stupid for believing in the Creators and then laughing in her face about her getting her vallaslin removed... not a good idea, Sera.  The Dalish aren't perfect by any stretch, but that's just plain disrespectful and rude.  Not that I'd expect her to be respectful and polite- but, her reaction (particularly concerning the vallaslin and the circumstances surrounding the removal) is cruel.

[PrinceLionheart]

How old is Sera suppose to be anyway?

 

She grouses both of my current pro-tags, more so my Andrastian Dalish Elf than my Pragmatic Human Noble (he cause, well she's good at shooting things and her spec is kinda awesome, so tolerated), but I kinda personally like her.

 

I mean it's mostly cause we be Anti-Dalish together, but most of her immaturity I can let slide.

 

She mentioned she was a Kid during Blight, and that was 10 years prior to Inquisition.

[Bleachrude]

The reason why Vivienne is so disliked is that she's not "oh the circles are horrible/poor me, love me"

 

I just don't get the idea that Vivienne is not self aware of her privilege when she FLAT OUT says that she knows that every circle is different and every mage in those circles will experience it differently.

 

Vivienne is one of the best written characters in a long time....

[RobRam10]

Dorian can be punch!

[BronzTrooper]

Don't really want to punch anyone, tbh.  I want to slap Sera, but that's about it.  I don't feel like hitting any of the other companions in DA:I.

[Hornless Qunari/Human DPS]

Bruise Blackwall to a pulp.