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[andy6915]

Her[Morrigan] cut DR scene where the Warden is a female friend romancing Alistair is heartrending.

Which I hate that they cut it. Still, I made do with a nice headcanon. I pretended after the scene cut to black that my Warden changed her mind as she was leaving the room and said-

"Wait, I have idea. This won't be cheating if it's a threesome. I know, Morrigan, you're not into other girls... But it's now a requirement. You want your god baby, then you're going to have to make room on that bed for me too. Your pragmatic and your goal is right within reach, I think you'll accept this one little extra annoyance to your plan for such gains. So, will you?"

And Morrigan agreed. No heartache, no cheating, just a hot and wild night of her and Alistair's second threesome (the first being in the Pearl of course). My girl got her mark her territory by making sure she was there and taking part for the entire ritual the entire ritual, Alistair didn't need to feel bad and was stuck between 2 hot women, and Morrigan got her ritual done. Everyone won. Morrigan probably didn't expect my Warden to pull that option out of her ass at the last second.

As for the romance scene, I always skip it anyway. The animations, underwear, and god-awful music make me skip all the actual romance scenes. So imagining the above was pretty easy.

[congokong]

Yeah... Bioware dropped the ball a bit with the inquisitor. We don't have as many satisfying options for dealing with companions. Where did Bioware put that murder knife?

We're too busy making them with the assassin specialization to actually use them apparently.

[congokong]

Both of them are out to get power in order to survive and accomplish their goals. Morrigan's goals are sympathetic to me, so I don't mind her means. She only attacks Abelas if the Inquisitor has already disregarded her advice and cut off any diplomatic solution to gaining the power of the Well. Even Solas agrees with her that you absolutely need the Well, however.
 

Not entirely true. If you listen to her always you will end up fighting the sentinels after refusing their terms to leave the temple after defeating the red templars/venatori.

[Addai]

Not entirely true. If you listen to her always you will end up fighting the sentinels after refusing their terms to leave the temple after defeating the red templars/venatori.

I don't remember her advocating not allying with them? She just whispers that you need the Well.

[congokong]

I don't remember her advocating not allying with them? She just whispers that you need the Well.

Yes, and at that point agreeing to ally with them and never returning would prohibit using the well. Thus, following her advice would mean refusing their offer.

[Addai]

Yes, and at that point agreeing to ally with them and never returning would prohibit using the well. Thus, following her advice would mean refusing their offer.

No, at least I don't see it that way. You can fight about that later if necessary- and at that point, in the confrontation with Abelas, Morrigan stands down if you tell her to do so.

[congokong]

No, at least I don't see it that way. You can fight about that later if necessary- and at that point, in the confrontation with Abelas, Morrigan stands down if you tell her to do so.

If you follow her advice with "We may need that well" you fight the Sentinels. There's nothing to argue here.

[Killdren88]

She is just how I imagined her really. So I'm okay with her. Only thing missing is the dress up montage where she teaches everyone proper etiquette for the ball. Imagine how funny that would have been!

[Addai]

If you follow her advice with "We may need that well" you fight the Sentinels. There's nothing to argue here.

Yes. Yes, there is. She's not telling you to fight, she's just reminding you of your goal, which you accomplish diplomatically if you followed her advice about the rituals and ally with the Sentinels.

[congokong]

Yes. Yes, there is. She's not telling you to fight, she's just reminding you of your goal, which you accomplish diplomatically if you followed her advice about the rituals and ally with the Sentinels.

Sigh. Now you're meta-gaming with your "I can ally with them and get the well later" argument.

[auronvigo]

I started my first playthrough with a pro-circle with reforms ideal. Vivi seemed fine until I spoke to her in the chantry at Haven. It became obvious she was a gold digger and our views on the circle did not match. However I was able to get her to like me without lying about my true intentions or promising her anything beyond looking for a few books. When she asked for the heart I made her come with me just so she wouldn't think I was her errand boy. So you could say I played her better than she played me. She is an opportunist but I think Sera is much more judgmental. 

 

Velanna was the worst companion for me. I understood why she was so angry but basically told her, "if you want to ****** and moan in the corner that's fine. I've got work to do."

[Lukas Trevelyan]

I actually REALLY like her, easily one of my favorites as well. She's condescending, selfish and stubborn yes, but she has other great qualities; she's smart, pragmatic, confident and there's a part of her that genuinely cares for the well-being of others (foreshadowed in her banter with Cole and her personal quest somewhat), and gives an excellent perspective on the mage's "plight". 

[Xilizhra]

As always you try to make her a one sided person because you don't like her.
Cole says she don't use blood magic and when she says how she detest it and see those who use it as weak, he don't says she is lying, if she didn't truly believed he would say she was lying.

Well, she wasn't born and raised in Tevinter, was she? Blood magic isn't a path to legitimate power here.

 

I think one of the most heated questions about DA characters is...

 

If you enjoy Morrigan, how can you hate Vivienne? They are very similar, it's just that one is pragmatic (Vivienne) and the other is chaotic (Morrigan). I mean, at least Vivienne makes sense of all her (unwanted) opinions other than things like, "let the circle die off because they're weak and I don't like them" O_O

 

I dunno, the whole thing just boggles my mind tbh. 

Morrigan is not, ultimately, a bad person at heart; she was deliberately twisted by her mother to be a more useful tool, but this corruption can be shed over time, via the influence of the Hero of Ferelden. For Vivienne's evil, she has no one to blame but herself.

[Boost32]

Well, she wasn't born and raised in Tevinter, was she? Blood magic isn't a path to legitimate power here.

 

Morrigan is not, ultimately, a bad person at heart; she was deliberately twisted by her mother to be a more useful tool, but this corruption can be shed over time, via the influence of the Hero of Ferelden. For Vivienne's evil, she has no one to blame but herself.

please show me your evidence she would resort to blood magic, and no expeculations please.

[Addai]

Sigh. Now you're meta-gaming with your "I can ally with them and get the well later" argument.

Not at all. If you never reach the Well or if Corypheus gets there first, all is lost anyway. If you're just going to fight the elves, you can do it after you've used their aid. That's just strategy, not metagaming. And the only thing Morrigan says is "consider carefully."

[Xilizhra]

please show me your evidence she would resort to blood magic, and no expeculations please.

Greatest fear: irrelevance. Not using blood magic in Tevinter: irrelevance.

[Junebug]

I admire her ambition, her devotion to Bastien, her loyalty to her companions, and her beautiful (and badass) sense of fashion. But I never agreed with her about the mages. I feel like there's more depth (or a severely missed opportunity to add more) to her character to make her believe so strongly that the Circle of Magi works.

 

She has a "zero to hero" story but we don't get to see any of the journey in between which is really sad to me. It could have explained her character much more in-depth rather than "I met a guy and now I'm rich and elitist." Maybe she had an incident with blood mages or practiced it herself for a time and it went too far. I don't know but I wish they delved deeper into why she feels so strongly for the tradition instead of making her seem ambitious without cause. We know she was set to be First Enchanter but that didn't work out after the Mage-Templar War but that's it. What would she have done as First Enchanter? How did she rise to power so quickly? What has she done to earn the title Madame de Fer (Lady of Iron)?

 

Edit: We also know she believes mages are dangerous without order but I wonder if that's because she was set to be in a position of power over mages or if she's motivated by something else or if that is truly just her belief. I still wish they added more background ;~; Her character could have had so much more depth than what they gave her. But she's still super powerful and awesome in my eyes—just not as a leader. I feel like she's a less experienced and more blunt version of Wynne.

[Boost32]

Greatest fear: irrelevance. Not using blood magic in Tevinter: irrelevance.

So you dont have any proof only speculation, thanks.

 

 

I admire her ambition, her devotion to Bastien, her loyalty to her companions, and her beautiful (and badass) sense of fashion. But I never agreed with her about the mages. I feel like there's more depth (or a severely missed opportunity to add more) to her character to make her believe so strongly that the Circle of Magi works.

 

She has a "zero to hero" story but we don't get to see any of the journey in between which is really sad to me. It could have explained her character much more in-depth rather than "I met a guy and now I'm rich and elitist." Maybe she had an incident with blood mages or practiced it herself for a time and it went too far. I don't know but I wish they delved deeper into why she feels so strongly for the tradition instead of making her seem ambitious without cause. We know she was set to be First Enchanter but that didn't work out after the Mage-Templar War but that's it. What would she have done as First Enchanter? How did she rise to power so quickly? What has she done to earn the title Madame de Fer (Lady of Iron)?

 

Edit: We also know she believes mages are dangerous without order but I wonder if that's because she was set to be in a position of power over mages or if she's motivated by something else or if that is truly just her belief. I still wish they added more background ;~; Her character could have had so much more depth than what they gave her. But she's still super powerful and awesome in my eyes—just not as a leader.

 

 

She was the First Enchanter of Montsimmard, if you want more about her background you can hear her banter with Cole.

[Xilizhra]

So you dont have any proof only speculation, thanks.

It's a counterfactual; everything will be speculation by necessity.

[Barquiel]

I think one of the most heated questions about DA characters is...
 
If you enjoy Morrigan, how can you hate Vivienne? They are very similar, it's just that one is pragmatic (Vivienne) and the other is chaotic (Morrigan). I mean, at least Vivienne makes sense of all her (unwanted) opinions other than things like, "let the circle die off because they're weak and I don't like them" O_O
 
I dunno, the whole thing just boggles my mind tbh.

I like Morrigan and Velanna, both undergo clear character development. Vivienne really doesn't. At the end of the game she is basically the same insufferable, hypocritical character she was when we first met her.

[Junebug]

She was the First Enchanter of Montsimmard, if you want more about her background you can hear her banter with Cole.

Damn...so she was abused.

 

I still think some of this information should have been brought into her companion quest. It's huge information that I find more important than her tending to Duke Bastien (although that was nice as well). I don't like that all of this was relegated to party banter, especially with a party member she despises. Again, a severely missed opportunity for people to see who she is and where she comes from.

[Boost32]

Damn...so she was abused.

 

I still think some of this information should have been brought into her companion quest. It's huge information that I find more important than her tending to Duke Bastien (although that was nice as well). I don't like that all of this was relegated to party banter, especially with a party member she despises. Again, a severely missed opportunity for people to see who she is and where she comes from.

She was not abused o.O, and she doesnt despise Cole, she is afraid of him (she has a trauma of fade beings because of her Harrowing) but comes to care about him (she will never admit it though)

[CathyMe]

I think one of the most heated questions about DA characters is...

 

If you enjoy Morrigan, how can you hate Vivienne? They are very similar, it's just that one is pragmatic (Vivienne) and the other is chaotic (Morrigan). I mean, at least Vivienne makes sense of all her (unwanted) opinions other than things like, "let the circle die off because they're weak and I don't like them" O_O

 

I dunno, the whole thing just boggles my mind tbh. 

I think it depends from one person to another. While I do share some of Morrigan's views (the athiesm and the dislike of "for the greater good/people" attitude come to mind the quickest ), I'm more lenient towards her because she gets knocked down a peg if you let her drink from the well. In my first playthrough, I made , through gritted teeth, my dalish mage quizzie let her drink from the well, mostly because, if it's one thing I learned from origins and the whole DR thing is that if I don't let Morrigan get what she wants it will backfire against my player character. While I was right, seeing the following scene with flemeth made all my frustrations go away.

[Junebug]

She was not abused o.O, and she doesnt despise Cole, she is afraid of him (she has a trauma of fade beings because of her Harrowing) but comes to care about him (she will never admit it though)

At around 1:44:06

 

I interpreted that as being abused and terrified of something.

"No, I will not fall. No one will control me ever again." She was controlled before which, to me, seems abusive. I wonder if it was by a demon? Because that's what he was talking about just before that.

"Flash of light as the world comes back." Was she in The Fade? And then she smiles at Templars to signify she is still herself...so did they see her get possessed or something?

 

It's exactly this kinda stuff that I wanna see in her companion quest. It's so vital to her character yet all we can do is speculate and interpret. Relegating it to party banter is so upsetting to me...*sigh*

[Boost32]

Its about her Harrowing, she was almost possessed by a demon, it scarred her and made her afraid against all fade beings, this is why she treat Cole badly.

 

Cole: You're afraid. You don't have to be.

Vivienne: My dear Inquisitor, please restrain your pet demon. I do not want it addressing me.

(If Inquisitor supports Cole.)

 

Inquisitor: He's not doing any harm, Vivienne.

Vivienne: It's a demon, darling. All it can do is harm.

(If Inquisitor supports Vivienne.)

 

Inquisitor: Cole, Vivienne doesn't want to talk right now.

Cole: She's afraid!

Cole: Everything bright, roar of anger as the demon rears. No, I will not fall. No one will ever control me again.

Cole: Flash of white as the world comes back. Shaking, hollow, Harrowed, but smiling at templars to show them I'm me.

Cole: I am not like that. I can protect you. If Templars come for you, I will kill them.

Vivienne: Delightful.