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[Bugsie]

Sorry double post

[Bugsie]

I think it is just a visceral dislike. Blackwall is a "common man" sort of guy whereas Vivienne is closer to social-elite.
 
In the end, she was kind of right about him though (LOL).

I actually think her dislike of both Blackwall and Sera comes more from the fact that she was also once 'common' and through sheer skill and determination she made her way to that 'social elite'. It's a pretty common phenomenon to despise what you once were/could have been because you managed to overcome it where others didn't. I've seen it a lot in real life, even in my own family, so yeah. Both Blackwall and Sera don't aspire to the heights she has risen and that is the basis for a lot of nasty banter (and why I won't tolerate them together in any party, it's too damn real).

People who can't see the inherent classism in DA:I need to stand back and take a better look (God even the accent differences should be a big signal to people.)

In regard to disliking/liking Viv, depends on how you Rp. If you're pro circle, pro Templar, pro status quo then she's actually rather kind and considerate to you (as I'm finding on my third play through) she likes me a lot where she tolerated my qunari and hated my elf. So this time I actually quite like her whereas previously (especially with my male Lavellan Mage) I was like wtf Viv?!! Why you shifting my furniture around, leave my sh*t alone!

[congokong]

In regard to disliking/liking Viv, depends on how you Rp. If you're pro circle, pro Templar, pro status quo then she's actually rather kind and considerate to you (as I'm finding on my third play through) she likes me a lot where she tolerated my qunari and hated my elf. So this time I actually quite like her whereas previously (especially with my male Lavellan Mage) I was like wtf Viv?!! Why you shifting my furniture around, leave my sh*t alone!

For most people (non-mages) she would probably come across as very likable. You just have to want her and other mages locked up for the benefit of the majority. "I want you locked away for my safety."  Vivienne greatly approves

 

About the furniture... Where was the "you don't fit the inquisition" response after that, or maybe a punch option?

[Urazz]

I've come full circle on Vivienne. 

 

Prior to release I was sure I was going to hate her. I found her interesting, yes, but detestable. When the game first released and I got the chance to talk to her... well, she didn't exactly reach the top of my favorites list but I had to admit that I liked her; she was charming and I found her fresh insights into another side of Circle life interesting.

 

Then I got a good listen to her party banter. Specifically her banter with Blackwall. Listening to all of that vitriol was enough to turn me against her completely. I do still appreciate the new view point she brings to the game, but on a personal level she rivals Aveline for the companion I dislike the most. 

I dunno, I found her banter with Iron Bull to be hilarious.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Oh I'm sure that she doesn't want them to die. I could of accepted the pragmatism of not saving them if they weren't so nearby to help. Its just that when it came to actually helping those in need, the same people she claims to be loyal to and who she'll mention frequently in her pro-Circle arguments, she decides to let them die instead of at least trying to save them.

 

It's pretty easy to approve of saving people after the fact and purposely neglecting to mention that you wanted to leave them all to die in the first place. 

 

She's not wrong, though. Stopping for others will slow down the Herald and put him/her at risk of death.

 

That said, there is no reason not to do it when the player knows he/she has plot-armor. Vivienne simply falls victim to video-game logic here.

[congokong]

She's not wrong, though. Stopping for others will slow down the Herald and put him/her at risk of death.

 

That said, there is no reason not to do it when the player knows he/she has plot-armor. Vivienne simply falls victim to video-game logic here.

 

Vivienne- "Herald, darling! We need to get to the Chantry! We can't stop to save every poor sod when there's an archdemon soaring above our heads."

Inquisitor- "You're such a ******, Vivienne! You want me to leave these people to die when you know I'm wearing plot-armor, or have you forgotten?"

 

I think many posters do indeed forget that the companions don't have the same enlightenment on the protagonist's invulnerability that the player does, and scorns them for it. Vivienne's not like Morrigan in DA:O who simply didn't care about anyone else.
 

[Incantrix]

As Kazmius:

 

He respected her as a mage with skill and respected her accomplishments, especially rising so high to gain such power over the masses. He didn't fully agree with her though, he thought that even though mages needed somewhere to learn, the circles as they were, were not the answer. In the end, he didn't hate her at all. 

 

As myself:

 

I understand why Vivienne says the things she says. She speaks the truth and even though as a pro-mage person, it hurts to hear her say it, she's usually not wrong. It bugs me how unapologetic she is with her bluntness but in the end, you really have to acknowledge the fact she puts out. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

Vivienne- "Herald, darling! We need to get to the Chantry! We can't stop to save every poor sod when there's an archdemon soaring above our heads."

Inquisitor- "You're such a ******, Vivienne! You want me to leave these people to die when you know I'm wearing plot-armor, or have you forgotten?"

 

I think many posters do indeed forget that the companions don't have the same enlightenment on the protagonist's invulnerability that the player does, and scorns them for it. Vivienne's not like Morrigan in DA:O who simply didn't care about anyone else.
 

 

Just use Barrier to absorb dragon fire and Revive if someone goes down. I don't need plot-armor when magic is available. 

 

Seriously, though the plot of the story acts as if you have plot armor anyway letting the Inquisitor, the only person capable of sealing the Breach, walk abound war-torn Southern Thedas with only a bodyguard of three people with him. 

[AstraDrakkar]

I found more than one character in this game dislikeable and Vivienne was one of them. Vivienne=Vile. Blackwall=Boring. Sera=Just plain nuts. I liked all the rest though. I think Cole and Solas are quite intriguing for new characters. I think part of the reason I dislike Vivienne,Blackwall,and Sera is that they are simply lacking in character development.

[Barquiel]

I dislike her, but at least she isn't boring

Her narrow mindeness and hypocrisy are really irritating. She also comes across as incredibly petty and childish for someone who is supposed to be a "master" of the game (I am not sure if this was intentional on the part of the writers). The few insights into orlesian politics and the circle system she does offer are rather flippant or downright wrong. And if you don’t agree with her views she throws a fit by...moving furniture .

[Magdalena11]

Last playthrough was my pro-chantry one, and Viv tagged along a lot.  She drives me nuts and I want to slap her.  She's also a heavy hitter magically, and is upfront about her political ambition.  I love the Sky Watcher's assessment of Orlesian fashion if you bring her to Fallow Mire, for instance.  On the plus side, I think she's the only companion that doesn't gripe about the terrain/weather.  A real person like that wouldn't be a close friend, and I certainly wouldn't want her as a subordinate, but she has a very strong personality and I can see the appeal.

[Akkos]

I dislike her, but at least she isn't boring

Her narrow mindeness and hypocrisy are really irritating. She also comes across as incredibly petty and childish for someone who is supposed to be a "master" of the game (I am not sure if this was intentional on the part of the writers). The few insights into orlesian politics and the circle system she does offer are rather flippant or downright wrong. And if you don’t agree with her views she throws a fit by...moving furniture .

 

I'm quite amused with such disdainful statement. What do people consider childish nowadays?..  Being direct and straightforward while voicing an opinion?. Aren't you quite childish the same way not considering her stance and she is the mage, she know what a mage need...... not you...

[Barquiel]

I'm quite amused with such disdainful statement. What do people consider childish nowadays?..  Being direct and straightforward while voicing an opinion?. Aren't you quite childish the same way not considering her stance and she is the mage, she know what a mage need...... not you...

How would you describe "rearranging furniture to test the inquisitors limits"? I would describe it as childish.

[ComedicSociopathy]

I'm quite amused with such disdainful statement. What do people consider childish nowadays?..  Being direct and straightforward while voicing an opinion?. Aren't you quite childish the same way not considering her stance and she is the mage, she know what a mage need...... not you...

 

Why couldn't she have been direct and straightforward without wasting my time by rearranging my furniture? I mean, I'd be far more willing to listen to her criticism if she didn't decide to play interior designer. 

[Antmarch456]

Vivvienne is quite good as a Support Mage for my Dalish Rogue.

But yeah, I just can't stand everything she says. I notice Cassandra and Vivienne seem to get along pretty okay though.

[congokong]

 

But yeah, I just can't stand everything she says. I notice Cassandra and Vivienne seem to get along pretty okay though.

I noticed, and even commented regarding this, on a YouTube video showing all 5+ hours of party banter. Cassandra is the only one she isn't overly snide with and doesn't talk down to in conversations.

[Akkos]

How would you describe "rearranging furniture to test the inquisitors limits"? I would describe it as childish.

 

That's not childish, sweetheart. As if Skyhold was your own house to even consider such act to make you so foolishly offended.. Obviously she knows you are as thick-headed as her that she can't talk down at someone so highly ranked like you.

 

Why couldn't she have been direct and straightforward without wasting my time by rearranging my furniture?

 

  She was probably waiting for you to use the mark on your hand at her, so you'd show her how ridiculously shabby you are to her.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Vivienne moving the furniture around is the only instance where I feel her detractors have a legitimate gripe against her.

 

That, and yes, she is fairly condescending, but every character has their flaw and I just accept that as hers.

 

Quite frankly that scene was simply bizarre to me. I am not sure how it fit or gave us a better idea of her character, but whatever, you only have to deal with that and her condescension if you choose lots of awful decisions and dialogue so it's irrelevant to me (jk lol =p).

[The Baconer]

I'll say it again: the Inquisitor should have been able to have her declared interior decorator for her trouble. Then we should have had it announced at Halamshiral.

[Akkos]

 Vivienne moving the furniture around is the only instance where I feel her detractors have a legitimate gripe against her.

 

That, and yes, she is fairly condescending, but every character has their flaw and I just accept that as hers.

 

Quite frankly that scene was simply bizarre to me. I am not sure how it fit or gave us a better idea of her character, but whatever, you only have to deal with that and her condescension if you choose lots of awful decisions and dialogue so it's irrelevant to me (jk lol =p).

 

Of course it did gave a better idea of her character. What do you expect, that she'd say "I hate you" And get a blow and a punch to the face like Dorian and that Judas Iscariot?...    Your Inquisitor is supposed to be a leader/boss of the Inquisition, not a friend or a housemate to her.

[SgtSteel91]

I just damn her to irrelevance by not even attending her salon or whatever they call parties in Orlais.

[Steelcan]

wait she literally rearranges your furniture at low approval?

[The Baconer]

wait she literally rearranges your furniture at low approval?

 

Yeah.

 

And of course, the Inquisitor is relegated to a selection of witless responses with varying levels of salt.

[daveliam]

wait she literally rearranges your furniture at low approval?

 

Yep.  She brings movers in to rearrange the furniture as she sits on a couch and fans herself while passive-aggressively challenging your authority.  It's less about actually rearranging the furniture and more about totally undermining your authority and seeing if you will do anything back to her.  The problem with the scene is that they don't really give you many options but to sit there and take it.  I can see how that can be frustrating.  Personally, I love that scene and love her.  But I can see why people get annoyed if they already don't like her.  It's like salt in the wound.

[Bugsie]

wait she literally rearranges your furniture at low approval?

Yes, that's what she does. It was bizarre, and felt like an incredibly petty act. 'Test my limits' what does that even mean in this context?