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[RenAdaar]

Well, its one child vs an entire organization that the world depends on.

Yeah so I drank form the well it was either me or morrigan so I chose me. pluse as long as I beat the elder one it doesn't really matter what happens to me after. I'll probably disappear with out a trace anyway lol

[King Dragonlord]

"Our?" "Us?" "My?" I think you're taking the "roleplaying" aspect of this game a little too seriously, brother. You're not really an elf in the Dragon Age universe.

 

I am too. 

 

And I'm played by Will Ferrell. 

[LobselVith8]

My non-Elf Inquisitor could tell that too, I don't think it's an Elf thing. And you're just wrong that the Dalish have found out more, as they're wrong about many of the things they uncover. Plus there's evidence Morrigan understands more than the Dalish in Witch Hunt. She was the only one who could understand the Eluvian book. Arianne and her clan knew nothing about it, and neither did Merill, Tamlen, and Mahariel's clan.

 

Actually, Merrill studied the Eluvians from lore she gathered, which is how she was able to construct her own Eluvian, incorporating the shard she cleansed into it's construction. It's likely Ariane's clan didn't have access to the same information as the Sabrae Clan.

[Wolfen09]

meh, get over it.... for all we know 4 games from now we will find out she's actually an arlathan elf that woke up and shaved down her ears....

[Addai]

I don't care how much she knows, this knowledge absolutely indisputably belongs to the elves and absolutely nothing about Morrigan's history or personality suggests that she would share it all with the elves. She would flaunt the fact that she knows and they don't. She would dole out whispers for favors. She would manipulate. Its what she does. It is completely insane to trust her with the last connection to the legacy of Elvenkind. Its unconscionable. It would be like if Alistair suddenly declared that he wants to conquer Orlais and the empress were expected to seriously entertain the possibility of giving it to him.

She tells you this because it's true. She's been trained by Flemeth, and has access to elven lore that the elves themselves have forgotten. Sure, she wants it for her own purposes, too, but if you know so much, then you ought to be able to outmaneuver her later.

If you talk to Solas after drinking, it'll be clear why he didn't want to. And once you finish the game, it'll be especially clear.

There are other things at work here than preserving elven lore. Pay attention to what Abelas says. Some things are better not retained.

[Reznore57]

My Dalish had Mythal tatoo on his face , and Mythal was fairly important to him.

It was beyond his heritage , the well was like an honor , he was deeply touched by the temple and sort of understand the priests devotion (even if they went too far with that , staying away from the world while it crumbles , but it's an attitude Dalish are familliar with)

So Morrigan actions were insulting , she didn't respect Mythal at all , she didn't respect the priests there.

She thought they were fools , and she only saw Mythal (and pretty much everything ) just as an ancient power to preserve.

Morrigan's quests , preserving old things to keep the "magic and mystic" of the world going on is touching but on the other hand she lacks the respect for that power.

And if she drinks the joke's on her.She doesn't fully understand what she's toying with.

 

Anyway at the end I didn't drink from the well , I think the anchor and being seen as a "Divine " being is enough for one man.

There's a point where you cross every line , and you go full Cory and think yourself a God .

My Inquisitor was tired of the "special snowflake" syndrome , so he crossed his finger and hoped Morrigan will learn something and wouldn't waste it.

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My Dalish had Mythal tatoo on his face , and Mythal was fairly important to him.

It was beyond his heritage , the well was like an honor , he was deeply touched by the temple and sort of understand the priests devotion (even if they went too far with that , staying away from the world while it crumbles , but it's an attitude Dalish are familliar with)

So Morrigan actions were insulting , she didn't respect Mythal at all , she didn't respect the priests there.

She thought they were fools , and she only saw Mythal (and pretty much everything ) just as an ancient power to preserve.

Morrigan's quests , preserving old things to keep the "magic and mystic" of the world going on is touching but on the other hand she lacks the respect for that power.

And if she drinks the joke's on her.She doesn't fully understand what she's toying with.

 

Anyway at the end I didn't drink from the well , I think the anchor and being seen as a "Divine " being is enough for one man.

There's a point where you cross every line , and you go full Cory and think yourself a God .

My Inquisitor was tired of the "special snowflake" syndrome , so he crossed his finger and hoped Morrigan will learn something and wouldn't waste it.

The inquisitor is a special snowflakes.

[Reznore57]

The inquisitor is a special snowflakes.

 

I know but there's no need to make him /her more of a special snowflake.

More of that stuff and I feel like throwing up.

It's nice it's at least up to the player to decide.

[LobselVith8]

Solas blew my mind (along with the other one).

 

How does someone like YOU (an avowed fan of the elves) feel about the two of them (not talking about Morrigan here)?

 

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You mean Solas and Asha'bellanar? I liked Solas; I was originally planning an orthodox run as a Dalish mage, and ended up changing that to a more unorthodox Dalish mage who saw spirits and blood magic as complex, rather than the traditional view that spirits are all dangerous. We disagreed about the Dalish and the Grey Wardens, as well as Cole's desire to be more human, but I thought he was a very fascinating character, and I enjoyed my character becoming his friend.

 

As for Asha'bellanar, it was interesting to learn she joined with Mythal, although it explains her connection to the Dalish across so many stories (from "The Stolen Throne" to the Dragon Age games) and I'm curious to learn what happens now that Solas has seemingly killed her and taken her power.

[Master Warder Z_]

She didn't even realize the well had a geas upon it.

[Hellion Rex]

Letting Morrigan drink grants some of Claudia's best dialogue, in my opinion. Totally worth it. And in the end, even though she

 

 

 

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is forever bound to Mythal, I don't think it'll be as bad as she seems to think.

 

[StarcloudSWG]

I find Solas' attitude to be less than acceptable.

 

He gets angry when the Inquisitor drinks from the Well, but at NO point does he present a clear, rational, 'these are the consequences and this is why you shouldn't' sort of argument. Just a patronizing 'trust me, I know what's best for you.'

 

Really? REALLY? YOU, Solas, YOU know what's best? Considering YOUR history and knowledge of history and the Fade? And you won't come clean and give an elven Inquisitor a clear, concise, HONEST reason not to?

[Mr.House]

Cosndering how the dalish elves got their own history and lore wrong, I doubt your elf knows more then Morrigan really.

[AresKeith]

Cosndering how the dalish elves got their own history and lore wrong, I doubt your elf knows more then Morrigan really.

 

Hell, Solas makes a Dalish Elf look stupid

[Hellion Rex]

Hell, Solas makes a Dalish Elf look stupid

Well, considering his identity, I'd hope he knows more than the average Dalish lol.

[t0mm06]

Nothing we've seen from her suggests that because she never shoots completely straight with anybody. She tells people the part thats useful to them and hides her real agenda. Whether history belongs to its own race or not it sure doesn't belong to someone like her. 
 
In fact, her character makes her one of the least qualified.

Her goal of the first game was to preserve an old gods soul, witch hunt she was preserving an eluvien, this game was the well,
I would argue that the evidence suggests that her goal is to protect old magic. Also you mention here that's she hides her true agenda and elsewhere that she is not trust worthy, maybe it's because we play differently but I've found Morrison to be very trustworthy, I struggle to think of a time where she has lied to any of my character, she has defiantly not told them things, but she is quite forthcoming with the fact that she has her own agenda which she may or may not tell you about right away/ at all.

I think a lot of the distrust and assuming that she is bad/evil comes from the fact that some people dislike her because she is rude and arrogant and even selfish (but it could be argued that she is in some ways selfless in her selfishness) but none of these things make her untrustworthy or evil,
It just seems that the view is 'I don't like her, she isn't telling me everything, she must be bad/evil' which I don't think is a sound argument.

[Esmian]

Cosndering how the dalish elves got their own history and lore wrong, I doubt your elf knows more then Morrigan really.

 

If you bring Solas with you to the temple and interact with certain objects he constantly berates her for just how little she actually knows as well so misconceptions all around, really.

[LOLandStuff]

Morrigan can drink the whole pool, tiles included.

 

Nothing good can come out of something called the Well of Sorrows. Besides, anything in DA comes with a price.

[blahblahblah]

If you bring Solas with you to the temple and interact with certain objects he constantly berates her for just how little she actually knows as well so misconceptions all around, really.

Solas is the Dread Wolf, it's obvious that he know more than about elven history than Morrigan.But Morrigan knows more about elven history than the Dalish anyway.

[Storvacker]

Actually, Merrill studied the Eluvians from lore she gathered, which is how she was able to construct her own Eluvian, incorporating the shard she cleansed into it's construction. It's likely Ariane's clan didn't have access to the same information as the Sabrae Clan.

However, Merrill's clan didn't know what it was when they first encountered it and Morrigan clearly knew more of its lore than she did. She had the ability to interpret Ariane's clan's information better than the clan itself. She also could get one to work while Merrill couldn't. Regardless of what knowledge the Dalish do know, it's clear Morrigan knows more, which is the point I have been trying to make.

[AtreiyaN7]

I liked her character development, and I belive that Morrigan made some valid points. In hindsight, knowing what Solas is and what he knows, Morrigan clearly wasn't the biggest expert on all things elven. However, I had Blackwall, Varric, and Dorian with me, so it's not like I was able to get an expert opinion from Solas when I was in the temple. Future playthroughs will probably have me bringing Solas to the Well, heh.

[gothicshark]

Well, so this topic has diverged a bit.

Yes Morrigan has a superiority complex, however lets look at the world she grew up in.

Mages for the most part are kept as Slaves with an ax over their neck, to be an independent mage outside the system means death, and possibly torture. She grew up alone with her mother a very powerful mage who has more than likely protected her daughter with extreme violence. Morrigan grew up learning the type of magic her mother used. However Morrigan realized from an early point in her life that her mother was always lying to her. So when the Warden recruits her she is apprehensive and afraid, however she covers this up with sass and sarcasm. She actually has never lied, and she has always been brutally honest. Which is a sign that she has ****** poor social skills, although if you play your cards right she can be very sweet and tender.

In the situation with the well, yes she is correct she is the best qualified and ironically so. However, her social skills as usual are lacking. Sadly this time around we lack the ability to get close enough to see this in her.

The point being unless you are playing Dalish you really have no reason to disagree with her unless you are playing the power hungry 'evil' character. If you are Dalish then you are justified in your apprehension, however she is still correct.

[King Dragonlord]

None of the above posts change the fact that its better in the hands of a well meaning elfquisitor. Even if the elf only gets 1%* of what Morrigan would get from the experience, thats still infinitely more than the Dalish would get from Morrigan, and the Dalish indisputably deserve access to that lore more than Morrigan does. Its a farce that any other position should even be considered. Maybe if you just plain hate the Dalish I could see you saying "Sure Morrigan, knock yourself out."

 

And yes there's a cost to it but any good Elfquisitor would be willing to take that cost for the chance to reclaim some of their lost heritage. 

 

*And I think it would be a lot more than 1%. I'm sure the Elfquisitor could return to his/her clan or to any other Dalish clan and get guidance from their scholars to make the most of it.