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[SgtSteel91]

She's dealing with a Tevinter magister. Anyone with sense should know that was a bad idea.

 

That's racist prejudice.

[herkles]

And yet people recruit Dorian. fiona just had the bad luck to trusting the wrong Vint.

dorian is an altus not a magister.  

 

Tevinter magisters, ie members of the Magisterium, are caught in cut throat politics, they almost all are blood mages to some degree. Not to mention their whole owning slaves; you think PEOPLE WHO ARE FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A GROUP THAT OWNS SLAVES.

[King Dragonlord]

 
And if you want people to see her as a fallible human being?

 

That would be presenting her as a fallible human being. But if you present her as a leader who sometimes makes bad decisions but doesn't tend to regret them, that goes beyond what can be considered good or heroic. 

[Sports72Xtrm]

dorian is an altus not a magister.  

 

Tevinter magisters, ie members of the Magisterium, are caught in cut throat politics, they almost all are blood mages to some degree. Not to mention their whole owning slaves; you think PEOPLE WHO ARE FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A GROUP THAT OWNS SLAVES.

Maevaris tilivani is a magister and she protected alistair and Varric in the comics. Not all magisters are evil.

[Johnsen1972]

I dont hate her. I hate Vivienne.

[Morroian]

She's dealing with a Tevinter magister. Anyone with sense should know that was a bad idea.

 

Thats just generalising, there are decent tevinter mages. 

[Mr.House]

Thats just generalising, there are decent tevinter mages. 

Tevinter mages are not the same as magisters. Did anyone NOT pay attention to Dorian?

 

Also behold, Alexius was your common Magister, sometimes being wary works.

[Sports72Xtrm]

People get up in arms about the Vints slaves but turn a blind eye when chevaliers and nobles kill and rape away in the alienages. Let's not pretend there's not hypocrisy in the south.

[Mr.House]

I dont hate her. I hate Vivienne.

Last time I checked, Viv never made a choice that endangered her entire group.

[Mr.House]

People get up in arms about the Vints slaves but turn a blind eye when chevaliers and nobles kill and rape away in the alienages. Let's not pretend there's not hypocrisy in the south.

/implying I give corrupt chevaliers or nobles like Vaughan a free pass

 

*claps*

[Morroian]

Tevinter mages are not the same as magisters. Did anyone NOT pay attention to Dorian?

 

Also behold, Alexius was your common Magister, sometimes being wary works.

 

Maevaris has already been mentioned and if all magisters were like Alexius Cory would be ruling Tevinter.

[Mr.House]

Maevaris has already been mentioned and if all magisters were like Alexius Cory would be ruling Tevinter.

One magister does not mean you can trust another. Also Dorian already explains this, I swear people didn't listen to the guy and want to just eat their own deluded dreams off Tevinter.

[Sports72Xtrm]

/implying I give corrupt chevaliers or nobles like Vaughan a free pass

 

*claps*

and yet they are given a free pass. It's part of southern culture.

[Mr.House]

and yet they are given a free pass. It's part of southern culture.

SO all the people who complain about them don't exist now, interesting.

[Sports72Xtrm]

SO all the people who complain about them don't exist now, interesting.

Oh they exist, they just get politically bludgeoned into submission. Just like the templars do to the mages.

[Morroian]

One magister does not mean you can trust another. Also Dorian already explains this, I swear people didn't listen to the guy and want to just eat their own deluded dreams off Tevinter.

 

But Fiona didn't have her own Dorian to advise.

[Mr.House]

Oh they exist, they just get politically bludgeoned into submission. Just like the templars do to the mages.

Yes because all templars do that too.

[Mr.House]

But Fiona didn't have her own Dorian to advise.

It's called common sense.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Yes because all templars do that too.

Well those that aren't are exiled and pariahed in their lyrium addiction like Samson. The ones that are get to stay in power and abuse Circles. What a testament to the Maker's word the South is. Callousness seems to be more of a requirement for templars now a days.

[Mr.House]

Well those that aren't are exiled and pariahed in their lyrium addiction like Samson. The ones that are get to stay in power and abuse Circles. What a testament to the Maker's word the South is. Callousness seems to be more of a requirement for templars now a days.

*looks at the templar order that is in my game world*

Cool story brah.

[SgtSteel91]

dont' care

 

got to go an a excellent adventure with wizard freddy mercury

 

allied with mages

 

they were cool bros

 

even got to make a wizard college

 

and nothing went wrong

 

suck it haters

[LaughingBanana]

I have not known Fiona beyond what DA:I but even I can understand how people might dislike her.

 

Leading a group of oppressed people looking with the sole purpose of freedom but then making a decision to ally herself with the one entity widely known to oppress and slave a bunch of people, the Tevinter?

 

It doesn't take a genius to call that hypocritical and idiotic.

[Morroian]

It doesn't take a genius to call that hypocritical and idiotic.

 

Also doesn't take genius to realise that she had very few options at that point and she was desperate. I don't think anyone denies that she made a bad decision but its the outright hate on for her that is bewildering.  

[Precursor Meta]

Who is Fiona?

[dragonflight288]

People get up in arms about the Vints slaves but turn a blind eye when chevaliers and nobles kill and rape away in the alienages. Let's not pretend there's not hypocrisy in the south.

 

....erm...

 

Let's not get into compare and contrasting Tevinter to southern nations here. I'm sure you'll find that nearly everyone here can and will find something to complain about Orlais, Ferelden, its members, and so on. There are still heated debated on whether Loghain was right to retreat at Ostagar or not. And like those debates, I'm beginning to see a tendency show up in this thread. 

 

Absence of an argument does not necessitate support of it. 

 

To clarify, person x says Loghain was right to quit the field at Ostagar and that Cailan wasn't worth sacrificing the whole army for in a charge that may not even have succeeded considering the beacon was so late and the darkspawn were pouring out of the wilds, so person x supports the decision to retreat. Person y gets into a huge tangent about selling elves into slavery, sending a blood mage to poison a rival noble. Person x agrees that such actions were deplorable but Ostagar itself is justifiable. Person Y then accuses person X of supporting all of Loghain's decisions, whether outright or through snide asides, because X isn't bringing them up. X says that he/she doesn't, but because Loghain is to blame for a lot, it's not right to blame him for all, but Y is too far gone now in Loghain hate, 

 

baddy beem, baddy boom, you have the rise of circular arguments that go nowhere. 

 

Fiona was an idiot for trusting Alexius. She would've had far more luck appealing to Teagan or Alistair, and offering services to the crown. Alistair/Anora would've helped them. Trusting a Tevinter Magister is not the smartest thing to do, especially when it comes to servitude, the vints attitude towards it, regardless of deals made at the time, will still have the mages treated as property and no value. Anyone who knows anything about Tevinter culture and how they approach slavery can predict where it was going. 

 

Yes, Fiona may have got some promises out of Alexius to keep the children and such out of the legion, but by giving him all the power in the relationship, she also gave him all power to renege on his deals. She forfeited any power she had to enforce the stipulations she got out of him, which is one thing you do not want to give up whenever you deal with politicians, and that's exactly what a magister is. 

 

But even despite her idiocy, I still think her decision is more justifiable than Lord Seeker Lucius's, the real one we meet in Cassandra's personal quest, even if she doesn't regret it. 

 

I helped the mages because I wanted to get rid of a foreign power in the heart of Ferelden, but I conscripted their butts because Fiona at the very least proved that the mages and their leaders were nowhere near ready to handle the responsibilities that come with autonomy. 

 

I played a little bit on a new Inquisitor that I'm roleplaying as being staunchly pro-mage-freedom (human mage), and I personally liked a bit of dialogue Cassandra has with a random mage. 

 

Mage: We can't work in these conditions! We require better quarters, more supplies-

Cassandra: You are here as allies of the Inquisition, you are not our wards. Get them yourself. 

Mage: But how are we supposed to handle-

Cassandra: Deal with it. 

 

*to Inquisitor*

 

Cassandra: The mages are here as our allies, equals. They need to get used to what that means. 

 

Golden bit of dialogue there.