When and where? She willingly throws her lot in with Tevinter, justifies it by saying there's no other choice and then complains about it immediately after you walk into Redcliffe Castle. In the "bad" future, she's still fully in control of her mental faculties. If she's mind controlled, whoever is controlling her is worse at their job than Fiona.
Actually, Barris can do exactly that. He can sacrifice himself to break the barrier protecting the Envy Demon to give the Inquisitor a chance to stop it.
So the templar orders faults are washed clean by the life sacrifice of one. Sounds like blood magic lol
So the templar orders faults are washed clean by the life sacrifice of one. Sounds like blood magic lol
..... 
Oh lordy, when I started the thread all I thought I'd get was a simple answer, not this...
So the templar orders faults are washed clean by the life sacrifice of one. Sounds like blood magic lol
Uh...what? He used his Templar abilities, and overtaxed himself during waves of demonic assault.
Actually, Barris can do exactly that. He can sacrifice himself to break the barrier protecting the Envy Demon to give the Inquisitor a chance to stop it.
Wait what?
Noooooo how does this happen? D:
I have yet to see any evidence of that.
Someone added it to the wiki, so it's definitely true. Fiona would never do wrong otherwise. I mean sure there's no signs of it anywhere else. And sure she willingly followed these people already. And sure there never any mention of mind controlled mages that aren't being used to summon a demon army, which Fiona isn't even a part of. And sure,,,,wait, what were we talking about?
Wait what?
Noooooo how does this happen? D:
If he loses enough health in the Great Hall.
Wait...so we can't judge her if we side with the mages?
=/
That's...lame if true.
If he loses enough health in the Great Hall.
Ooooh. I am pretty paranoid about that so he tends to be fine (that and my PCs tend to be mother hens and will throw a barrier in his direction once in a while.)
I don't hate her (I like her for example much more than Vivienne).
I'm pretty fond of The Calling, and I liked Fiona in that one. As for the game, she was protecting her people the only way she could see how. I don't blame her for that.
Livi you better get the flame shield ready.
The fact hat Ser Barris will sacrifice himself just makes Fiona look worse really.
Yeah, protecting by making them worse slaves than the Circles.
The fact that they're mages makes them perfect cannon fodder against qunari.
Now why waste good tevinter citizens when you can find idiots about eager to give themselves.
the rebel mages aren't trying to impose slavery on the south, they're just want to escape the south. It's just bad luck they happened to align with a crazy cult just like the templars followed an envy demon to take red lyrium.
And if it wasn't a cult but an average magister, they'd be greeted with open arms in Tevinter and taken care of, instead of using them as cannon fodder in Seheron? Such a delusion.
I have no reason to hate her. Besides --
The fact hat Ser Barris will sacrifice himself just makes Fiona look worse really.
I agree, I also love the war table missions using Barris as well. He's eager to make up for the mistakes of his superiors. Much better than the mage war table mission...where it was just one mission...and it was all about how some almost killed some of my Inquisition soldiers trying to "escape" from the Inquisition. Such ungrateful sacks.
I agree, I also love the war table missions using Barris as well. He's eager to make up for the mistakes of his superiors. Much better than the mage war table mission...where it was just one mission...and it was all about how some almost killed some of my Inquisition soldiers trying to "escape" from the Inquisition. Such ungrateful sacks.
Comparing Barris and Fiona isn't fair. Barris is in a position equivalent to Connor, or the mage outside the bar where you meet Fiona in Redcliffe, who disagree with the bad actions of Fiona.
SO all the people who complain about them don't exist now, interesting.
It's called common sense.
It's apparently not so common. Don't forget that Fiona was a sex slave to an Orlesian noble. Everyone here just assumes throwing herself on the mercy of Orlais or Ferelden, or eking out some sort of existence in the wilderness, makes more sense than Tevinter. You're all so smart, sitting outside the situation and pretending she has a lot of choices at that point.
Comparing Barris and Fiona isn't fair. Barris is in a position equivalent to Connor, or the mage outside the bar where you meet Fiona in Redcliffe, who disagree with the bad actions of Fiona.
Nah. Barriss takes personal responsibility for his actions. He doesn't fob them off on someone else (or, in the case of connor, have the excuse of being untrained and a victim of demonic possession.)
It's apparently not so common. Don't forget that Fiona was a sex slave to an Orlesian noble. Everyone here just assumes throwing herself on the mercy of Orlais or Ferelden, or eking out some sort of existence in the wilderness, makes more sense than Tevinter. You're all so smart, sitting outside the situation and pretending she has a lot of choices at that point.
...uh, one of her choices was to continue to take the shelter and protection already extended by the rulers of Ferelden.
Whereas the offer of Tevinter protection changed... not much, honestly, because the Magister had no way to bring in Tevinter reinforcements and no value as a deterrance device. Unless there was a credible argument that Teagan was going to put up his drawbridge and let the Templars butcher their way through his town (and the mages) unopposed, and so far there's been nothing on that front, there isn't even the argument that siding with Tevinter got them inside the castle.
An argument which itself would be conceding that Fiona at least hoped, if not expected, a Tevinter Magister to lead a local coup and takeover of a major Ferelden stronghold, an action that would obviously lead to massive retaliatory strike by a nation with far more resources to bring to bear on a seige than 'just' the Templars. (A siege which, it should be reminded, would only fail for reasons far beyond Fiona's ability to expect.)
This all ignores, of course, that a good deal of Fiona's lack of options at this point were a foreseeable consequence of Fiona's own previous decisions on how to prepare, organize, and conduct her mage rebellion. Using the consequences of a lack of preparation to justify herself at that point would be akin to a serial gambler defending a choice to get a mob loan because their gambling addiction put them in massive debt.
The protection offered by Ferelden which resulted in the mass chaos of the Hinterlands that's dwindling their numbers?
And again, all the recrimination about "you made your own bed" is beside the point when we're discussing what she should have done next. I'm not disagreeing she made bad choices and was a bad general. I didn't like her in Asunder, or Adrian, though if the Conclave had yielded fruit then the mage rebellion would have looked much better in retrospect. They're right that the Chantry was never going to voluntarily relinquish control over the most valuable human and natural resources in Thedas.
I'd say her best option would have been not to start a stupid war she couldn't win and had no plans for, but that's crazy talk
I'd say her best option would have been not to start a stupid war she couldn't win and had no plans for, but that's crazy talk
It's irrelevant to the discussion of her choice in Redcliffe. What's crazy is that people keep bringing it up anyway. WE GET IT.
The protection offered by Ferelden which resulted in the mass chaos of the Hinterlands that's dwindling their numbers?
The protection offered by Ferelden which allowed Fiona's mages to live in relative safety of a castled town while mage supremacist breakways had choas away in the countryside, yes. This is what castles protect you from, after all- the dangers outside the gates.
To criticize Ferelden's protection as insufficient would likewise need for Alexius's protection to be more sufficient in comparison. What protection did Alexius provide against the same mass chaos of the Hinterlands that Teagon could not?
And again, all the recrimination about "you made your own bed" is beside the point when we're discussing what she should have done next. I'm not disagreeing she made bad choices and was a bad general. I didn't like her in Asunder, or Adrian, though if the Conclave had yielded fruit then the mage rebellion would have looked much better in retrospect.
What she should have not have done next was to tie herself to an unwinnable backer at the expense of a friendly backer who would certainly retaliate. In inviting Alexius in and tolerating his coup of Redcliffe (and then not leaving to the east with Teagon), Fiona tied herself and her mages into a stationary location that was inevitably going to be put under seige.
And was, three times, and only resisted falling thanks to an unchecked Corypheus. If siding with Corypheus can not be used against her, she can not claim the security derived from it.
Ferelden's protection may not have been sufficient, but it was there and the threat of a Templar siege was more hypothetical than realistic. Alexius's protection was not going to be sufficient, in large part because the threat of a Ferelden siege was a guarantee after the mages stood by and let the coup occur.
They're right that the Chantry was never going to voluntarily relinquish control over the most valuable human and natural resources in Thedas.
Considering that the Chantry never controlled their labors or forced them to work as natural resources in the first place, and was open to negotiations and compromises to loosening their control, this is just wrong.
The fact that Fiona explicitly sold herself and hundreds of others into involuntary servitude as resources makes the objection more than a tad hypocritical.
She should be grateful someone bothered to let her stay in their territory with her rebellion and all. They have no obligation to pamper them, getting their own men killed because a group decided to revolt and are incapable of taking care of themselves.
And don't forget what they did to Redcliff and the tranquils.
Retour en haut