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[herkles]

And the collapsing back into the status quo is what I don't want. They made all these varied choices and we should see the outcome. Such as the rise of blood magic and such in southern Circles under Leliana, or the reconstituted Seekers with Cassandra and the reforms to the Circle and Order

what I can imagine happening is that 

 

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cass/vivi: circle life is now great now that some reforms have been in place.

lel: university life is now great now that we not under the supervision of the chantry. 

 

Though it would be interesting if by the time we head back to andrastian thedas, that it starts to slowly look more and more like the kingdoms are becoming mageocracies. 

[TK514]

And the collapsing back into the status quo is what I don't want. They made all these varied choices and we should see the outcome. Such as the rise of blood magic and such in southern Circles under Leliana, or the reconstituted Seekers with Cassandra and the reforms to the Circle and Order

 

I don't disagree, I just don't see any other options currently.

 

I can appreciate the difficulty BioWare is facing here.  The longer DA goes on, the more complex the branching gets.  At some point, they have to go in and prune some of the choices out, either by ignoring them/picking one or by consolidation.

[Steelcan]

I don't want to see "everything is fine now" either. Handwaving away the issues that would inevitably arise under Leliana and her idiocy or continued mage resentment under Cassandra or Vivienne is not something I want to see

[Xilizhra]

And the collapsing back into the status quo is what I don't want. They made all these varied choices and we should see the outcome. Such as the rise of blood magic and such in southern Circles under Leliana, or the reconstituted Seekers with Cassandra and the reforms to the Circle and Order

And if Leliana's outcome doesn't match your paranoia?

 

 

correct, but Gaider has said he wants to go north. To the Qun Lands, Seheron, and tevinter yes. But also Rivain and Antivia, those two kingdoms as well as the Anderfels are part of the andrastian chantry at least in name.  Not to mention there is also Nevarra and the Free Marches(we only went to 1 city state) So this decision would have to be touched upon if we go anywhere besides Seheron, qun lands or tevinter.

So long as we don't actually visit a former Circle, it should be doable.

[EmissaryofLies]

Anything but Andrastian Thedas and its crooning old hens is preferable, truthfully.

[KingTony]

The term "White Thedas" is MASSIVELY annoying to me fir some reason.

[Steelcan]

Leliana turns the Circles into colleges and removes them from Chantry supervision. Dorian also tells us what happened when this happened.

Its not paranoia, its justified concern

[Steelcan]

The term "White Thedas" is MASSIVELY annoying to me fir some reason.

well that's what its called. Andrastian Thedas doesn't work because Tevinter is Andrastian

[EmissaryofLies]

The term "White Thedas" is MASSIVELY annoying to me fir some reason.

 

I don't like it at all. The Chantry itself and its White Thedas remind me of too many things that I do not like.

[Xilizhra]

Leliana turns the Circles into colleges and removes them from Chantry supervision. Dorian also tells us what happened when this happened.

Its not paranoia, its justified concern

In Tevinter, which has a completely different history.

 

Given that I'm not calling for Cassandra's or Vivienne's endings to be completely screwed over, why don't we agree to live and let live, hm?

[Dave of Canada]

I'd be interested in knowing how the Black Chantry will react to the White Chantry having a mage at it's head if you make Vivienne into the Divine.

[herkles]

So long as we don't actually visit a former Circle, it should be doable.

we still would have to have this touched on. Because of that I think Rivain is the best nation to go to if we have to see the outcome. Why? because they were always different and kept many of their pre-chantry beliefs. 

 

 

Leliana turns the Circles into colleges and removes them from Chantry supervision. Dorian also tells us what happened when this happened.

Its not paranoia, its justified concern

I wonder if cass/viv turns the circles into something akin to the medieval universities. Basically the medieval universities were schools, the church guided them. They were connected to the church. 

[Steelcan]

In Tevinter, which has a completely different history.
 
Given that I'm not calling for Cassandra's or Vivienne's endings to be completely screwed over, why don't we agree to live and let live, hm?

Because I like arguing too much, and I'm disappointed with how the epilogues play out in regards to the Divine decision

[Br3admax]

"Tevinter has a different history," luz. Yeah, because all of Thedas totes wasn't Tevinter. 

[Lulupab]

What happens to mages if Cassandra is made Divine? Never happened to me. I think the epilogue has to mean something when one of the divines blatantly favors the mage and the other does too but with restrictions. In both Leliana and Vivienne case the mage rebellion has brought fruit to mage lives.

[Br3admax]

She restructures the Templars and/or Seekers into a more moderate Order as well as the Chantry. Vivienne restructures the Circles. 

[Lulupab]

She restructures the Templars and/or Seekers into a more moderate Order as well as the Chantry. Vivienne restructures the Circles. 

 

I know what Vivienne does, she also grants much more freedom and authority to mages inside the circles. Its what Fiona initially proposed which backfired and caused Lambert to disband the college of enchanters. Its still good for the mages.

 

So Cassandra doesn't do much about mages... interesting.

[TK514]

Ultimately, all three are good for the Mages.  They all end with the Mages having more control over their lives, and less oppressive oversight.

[Br3admax]

Why would she even care about the mages? It's not like she's ever approved of a single thing they've done so far. 

 

Viv is best Divine, and I'll be her campaign manager. 

[HK-90210]

I gotta say, it's very hard for any of my Inquisitors to go with saving the mages in DA:I. The moment Fiona put on the dumb*** hat and allied with Tevinter, she lost most of the sympathy my characters had for her cause. Yes, I know Alexius manipulated time to make it so that Fiona saw little choice. But it was still a choice. And it was a wrong one.

 

I like Tevinter. I am not a hater of the 'Vints. But if the point of the Mage rebellion was to show that the Circle mages were NOT like Tevinter and should be allowed to govern themselves, Fiona just destroyed every fragment of moral highground she may once have had. Only my Vashoth and human mages have any sympathy for the mage rebellion, now.

 

Plus,

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it feels sooooo damn good to kill Fiona when Corypheus attacks Haven. Good times.